Talk:Maximal - Revision history

Sabrblade at 08:12, 9 March 2026

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	== Pretender? Micro-Master? ==		== Pretender? Micro-Master? ==
	Where exactly does it say that Maximal technology is derived from Pretender and Micro-Master Technology? Can we have a source on that? If not, it seems like pure fanon. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] 15:01, 24 October 2009 (EDT)		Where exactly does it say that Maximal technology is derived from Pretender and Micro-Master Technology? Can we have a source on that? If not, it seems like pure fanon. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] 15:01, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
	:In "[[Departure]]" Hot Rod rattles off a description of the [[Maximal Upgrade Program]] that includes "bio-tech overhaul" and a discussion about fuel savings with the downsize. Though not ''explicitly'' stated to be the Pretender and Micromaster tech, Halit is definitely deliberately evoking the language used for them to draw the connection.		:In "[[Departure]]" Hot Rod rattles off a description of the [[Maximal Upgrade\|Maximal Upgrade Program]] that includes "bio-tech overhaul" and a discussion about fuel savings with the downsize. Though not ''explicitly'' stated to be the Pretender and Micromaster tech, Halit is definitely deliberately evoking the language used for them to draw the connection.
	:So it's implicit... but not made up. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:11, 24 October 2009 (EDT)		:So it's implicit... but not made up. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:11, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
	::Needs to be sourced and noted that it only applies to 3H continuity. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:52, 24 October 2009 (EDT)		::Needs to be sourced and noted that it only applies to 3H continuity. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:52, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

Chris McFeely: /* Liege Maximo */

2018-08-08T22:34:07Z

Liege Maximo

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	: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
	::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development; the timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions till the stories actually spell it out. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development; the timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions till the stories actually spell it out. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
			:::I think Bludgeon's remark about how the Maximals are a "final evolution" is further evidence that their precise nature is now how they've always been, and that we need to dial back what we've got until we're given some more information. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 18:34, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Saix: /* Liege Maximo */

2018-08-08T19:28:21Z

Liege Maximo

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	Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
	: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
	::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development~~. The~~ timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions ~~in that regard~~. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development; the timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions till the stories actually spell it out. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Saix: /* Liege Maximo */

2018-08-08T19:27:20Z

Liege Maximo

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	Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
	: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
			::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development. The timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions in that regard. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Locoman: /* Liege Maximo */

2018-08-08T19:21:31Z

Liege Maximo

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	Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
			: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Saix: /* Liege Maximo */ new section

2018-08-08T18:57:28Z

Liege Maximo: new section

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	==Clean-up?==		==Clean-up?==
	This page could do with some polishing / work / sprucing up a little. There's no section on the Maximal factions as depicted in fiction, and the page as a whole takes a general sort of "mashed up" approach to describing the faction. Like, the history section treats 3H and ''Beast Wars'' as the given history, even when some continuities (like ''Uprising'') have their origins be different. At the moment, as it stands, it kinda needs some love and attention beyond what one person alone can bring. [[User:Smasher\|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher\|talk]]) 13:25, 24 September 2017 (EDT)		This page could do with some polishing / work / sprucing up a little. There's no section on the Maximal factions as depicted in fiction, and the page as a whole takes a general sort of "mashed up" approach to describing the faction. Like, the history section treats 3H and ''Beast Wars'' as the given history, even when some continuities (like ''Uprising'') have their origins be different. At the moment, as it stands, it kinda needs some love and attention beyond what one person alone can bring. [[User:Smasher\|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher\|talk]]) 13:25, 24 September 2017 (EDT)

			== Liege Maximo ==

			"Twelve million years ago, the Maximal Army emerged as a tribe of prehistoric warriors who had named themselves after their master, Liege Maximo. In keeping with their leader's duplicitous nature, the Maximals possessed the ability to hide their monstrous appearances within the shapes of smaller, less intimidating robots, much like the later Pretenders."

			Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Smasher at 17:25, 24 September 2017

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	== Technorganic insignia ==		== Technorganic insignia ==
	I think the comment on the picture of the technorganic insignia may be false. However, this article seems to deal with a generalization of many continuities and I'm not sure if and how I should modify the article per say. I was inquiring on the topic of BW insignia when I was confused with the Technorganic Predacon insignia which can be found on Razorclaw(Timelines). He obviously comes from the far past, and is not really organic in any way, thus justifying the idea that the technorganic insignia may have been ancients symbols by the time of post-BM. On the other hand, Lio Convoy of BW:U has clearly the standard Maximal insignia, - Which tend to be one of the few accounts of the early Maximals we have - but Beast Machine toys consistently have the new Maximals insignia. Thus, it seems to me that the comments on the technorganic Maximal insignia might be justified for the Predacon insignia but not the Maximal one. So... Is something wrong here or am I missing something?[[User:Xunk16\|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16\|talk]]) 03:54, 20 March 2016 (EDT)		I think the comment on the picture of the technorganic insignia may be false. However, this article seems to deal with a generalization of many continuities and I'm not sure if and how I should modify the article per say. I was inquiring on the topic of BW insignia when I was confused with the Technorganic Predacon insignia which can be found on Razorclaw(Timelines). He obviously comes from the far past, and is not really organic in any way, thus justifying the idea that the technorganic insignia may have been ancients symbols by the time of post-BM. On the other hand, Lio Convoy of BW:U has clearly the standard Maximal insignia, - Which tend to be one of the few accounts of the early Maximals we have - but Beast Machine toys consistently have the new Maximals insignia. Thus, it seems to me that the comments on the technorganic Maximal insignia might be justified for the Predacon insignia but not the Maximal one. So... Is something wrong here or am I missing something?[[User:Xunk16\|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16\|talk]]) 03:54, 20 March 2016 (EDT)

			==Clean-up?==
			This page could do with some polishing / work / sprucing up a little. There's no section on the Maximal factions as depicted in fiction, and the page as a whole takes a general sort of "mashed up" approach to describing the faction. Like, the history section treats 3H and ''Beast Wars'' as the given history, even when some continuities (like ''Uprising'') have their origins be different. At the moment, as it stands, it kinda needs some love and attention beyond what one person alone can bring. [[User:Smasher\|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher\|talk]]) 13:25, 24 September 2017 (EDT)

Xunk16: /* Technorganic insignia */

2016-03-20T07:54:21Z

Technorganic insignia

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	== Technorganic insignia ==		== Technorganic insignia ==
	I think the comment on the picture of the technorganic insignia may be false. However, this article seems to deal with a generalization of many continuities and I'm not sure if and how I should modify the article per say. I was inquiring on the topic of BW insignia when I was confused with the Technorganic Predacon insignia which can be found on Razorclaw(Timelines). He obviously comes from the far past, and is not really organic in any way, thus justifying the idea that the technorganic insignia may have been ancients symbols by the time of post-BM. On the other hand, Lio Convoy of BW:U has clearly the standard Maximal insignia, - Which tend to be one of the few accounts of the early Maximals we have - but Beast Machine toys consistently have the new Maximals insignia. Thus, it seems to me that the comments on the technorganic Maximal insignia might be justified for the Predacon insignia but not the Maximal one. So... Is something wrong here or am I missing something?		I think the comment on the picture of the technorganic insignia may be false. However, this article seems to deal with a generalization of many continuities and I'm not sure if and how I should modify the article per say. I was inquiring on the topic of BW insignia when I was confused with the Technorganic Predacon insignia which can be found on Razorclaw(Timelines). He obviously comes from the far past, and is not really organic in any way, thus justifying the idea that the technorganic insignia may have been ancients symbols by the time of post-BM. On the other hand, Lio Convoy of BW:U has clearly the standard Maximal insignia, - Which tend to be one of the few accounts of the early Maximals we have - but Beast Machine toys consistently have the new Maximals insignia. Thus, it seems to me that the comments on the technorganic Maximal insignia might be justified for the Predacon insignia but not the Maximal one. So... Is something wrong here or am I missing something?[[User:Xunk16\|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16\|talk]]) 03:54, 20 March 2016 (EDT)

Xunk16 at 07:54, 20 March 2016

2016-03-20T07:54:08Z

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	Wondering why there is an Autobot insignia in the faction icons. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)		Wondering why there is an Autobot insignia in the faction icons. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
	:Some anon added it, was reverted by Rosicrucian, and then the anon added it again. I think it just got missed being removed again the second time. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 23:11, 6 October 2010 (EDT)		:Some anon added it, was reverted by Rosicrucian, and then the anon added it again. I think it just got missed being removed again the second time. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 23:11, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

			== Technorganic insignia ==
			I think the comment on the picture of the technorganic insignia may be false. However, this article seems to deal with a generalization of many continuities and I'm not sure if and how I should modify the article per say. I was inquiring on the topic of BW insignia when I was confused with the Technorganic Predacon insignia which can be found on Razorclaw(Timelines). He obviously comes from the far past, and is not really organic in any way, thus justifying the idea that the technorganic insignia may have been ancients symbols by the time of post-BM. On the other hand, Lio Convoy of BW:U has clearly the standard Maximal insignia, - Which tend to be one of the few accounts of the early Maximals we have - but Beast Machine toys consistently have the new Maximals insignia. Thus, it seems to me that the comments on the technorganic Maximal insignia might be justified for the Predacon insignia but not the Maximal one. So... Is something wrong here or am I missing something?

Abates: /* Autobot insignia? */

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Autobot insignia?

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	Wondering why there is an Autobot insignia in the faction icons. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)		Wondering why there is an Autobot insignia in the faction icons. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
			:Some anon added it, was reverted by Rosicrucian, and then the anon added it again. I think it just got missed being removed again the second time. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 23:11, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

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	: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
	::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development; the timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions till the stories actually spell it out. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development; the timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions till the stories actually spell it out. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
			:::I think Bludgeon's remark about how the Maximals are a "final evolution" is further evidence that their precise nature is now how they've always been, and that we need to dial back what we've got until we're given some more information. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 18:34, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

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	Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
	: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
	::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development~~. The~~ timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions ~~in that regard~~. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development; the timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions till the stories actually spell it out. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

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	Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		Has this actually been stated ''anywhere''? Because this comes off as a lot of assumption and doesn't fit in anything Shockwave says regarding his troops. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:57, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
	: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)		: "Allow me to introduce Liege Maximo's Maximals" ... "They are not beasts. They are not Eukarians. They are the servants of the master of deceit... spawns of Liege Maximo. They are his Maximals..." Followed by Optimus Primal and the gang ripping off their skins and morphing into Liege Maximo-looking robots. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 15:21, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
			::Correct, but that doesn't indicate they were around 12 mya. The crew of Carcer were followers of Maximo, but they weren't horrible monstrosities, and we have Shockwave referring to the Axalon crew as Maximals, but they weren't noted to have ugly robots stuffed inside. The whole self-flaying thing comes off as a more recent development. The timeline isn't clear at all, and we really shouldn't be making assumptions in that regard. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:27, 8 August 2018 (EDT)