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Thylacine 2000: /* Artistic license matters except when it doesn't */

2023-10-02T18:26:16Z

Artistic license matters except when it doesn't

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	:::That way it doesn't look like legitimizing a fan-transformation, while still pointing out that something is different. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:::That way it doesn't look like legitimizing a fan-transformation, while still pointing out that something is different. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	::::That's an agreeable compromise. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		::::That's an agreeable compromise. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			:::::Thanks! --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 14:26, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

Saix: /* Artistic license matters except when it doesn't */

2023-10-02T18:10:10Z

Artistic license matters except when it doesn't

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	:::That way it doesn't look like legitimizing a fan-transformation, while still pointing out that something is different. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:::That way it doesn't look like legitimizing a fan-transformation, while still pointing out that something is different. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			::::That's an agreeable compromise. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000: /* Artistic license matters except when it doesn't */

2023-10-02T17:57:09Z

Artistic license matters except when it doesn't

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	:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	::While I have tried this in the past to hide the head, Like Saix said it's worth noting it ends up with the tail upside down, which doesn't match the show look. Realistically the only way to hide the head and have the tail not flipped would be to do a disassembly and put the tail in upside down.I'm not even sure could be done as I think theirs multiple pins and modifications that'd be needed. This really feels like a personal preference mistransformation to me then one worth noting as a result since it can't clearly match the show look without something being off. [[User:ParadoxFactor\|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor\|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		::While I have tried this in the past to hide the head, Like Saix said it's worth noting it ends up with the tail upside down, which doesn't match the show look. Realistically the only way to hide the head and have the tail not flipped would be to do a disassembly and put the tail in upside down.I'm not even sure could be done as I think theirs multiple pins and modifications that'd be needed. This really feels like a personal preference mistransformation to me then one worth noting as a result since it can't clearly match the show look without something being off. [[User:ParadoxFactor\|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor\|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			:::But either way there's still a glaring mismatch between the toy and the show. Either the toy's tail is upside-down, or the show model has the tail on top and parallel to the spine. That is the sort of thing we always, always mention. (I am personally inclined to suspect an incomplete / abandoned gimmick step, like those we already know exist on this toy and Tigerhawk). What do people think of this alternate wording?

			:::"The show model for this character differs from the toy somewhat more than usual for Beast Wars characters. The dragon legs are fully extended [--rest of the prior wording on legs restored]. Where the toy leaves the robot head exposed and the dragon tail disconnected from the spine, the show, ah, ''creatively reinterprets'' that area and makes a unified spine."

			:::That way it doesn't look like legitimizing a fan-transformation, while still pointing out that something is different. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

Saix: /* Artistic license matters except when it doesn't */

2023-10-02T17:42:42Z

Artistic license matters except when it doesn't

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	Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. (That said, I think the toy pic should have the legs properly collapsed, with the extend legs shown in a box as an alternate transformation to match what the show people were working off.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	::While I have tried this in the past to hide the head, Like Saix said it's worth noting it ends up with the tail upside down, which doesn't match the show look. Realistically the only way to hide the head and have the tail not flipped would be to do a disassembly and put the tail in upside down.I'm not even sure could be done as I think theirs multiple pins and modifications that'd be needed. This really feels like a personal preference mistransformation to me then one worth noting as a result since it can't clearly match the show look without something being off. [[User:ParadoxFactor\|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor\|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		::While I have tried this in the past to hide the head, Like Saix said it's worth noting it ends up with the tail upside down, which doesn't match the show look. Realistically the only way to hide the head and have the tail not flipped would be to do a disassembly and put the tail in upside down.I'm not even sure could be done as I think theirs multiple pins and modifications that'd be needed. This really feels like a personal preference mistransformation to me then one worth noting as a result since it can't clearly match the show look without something being off. [[User:ParadoxFactor\|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor\|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

ParadoxFactor: /* Artistic license matters except when it doesn't */

2023-10-02T17:37:27Z

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	:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			::While I have tried this in the past to hide the head, Like Saix said it's worth noting it ends up with the tail upside down, which doesn't match the show look. Realistically the only way to hide the head and have the tail not flipped would be to do a disassembly and put the tail in upside down.I'm not even sure could be done as I think theirs multiple pins and modifications that'd be needed. This really feels like a personal preference mistransformation to me then one worth noting as a result since it can't clearly match the show look without something being off. [[User:ParadoxFactor\|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor\|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

Saix: /* Artistic license matters except when it doesn't */

2023-10-02T17:32:20Z

Artistic license matters except when it doesn't

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	Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

Saix: /* Artistic license matters except when it doesn't */

2023-10-02T17:23:15Z

Artistic license matters except when it doesn't

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	==Artistic license matters except when it doesn't==		==Artistic license matters except when it doesn't==
	Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000 at 17:11, 2 October 2023

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	::Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do for the Japanese side of the character. Takara went out of their way to outright name him "Megalligator" (メガリゲーター ''Megarigētā''), under the impression that he's an alligator, not a crocodile. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 05:41, 9 May 2022 (EDT)		::Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do for the Japanese side of the character. Takara went out of their way to outright name him "Megalligator" (メガリゲーター ''Megarigētā''), under the impression that he's an alligator, not a crocodile. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 05:41, 9 May 2022 (EDT)
	:::Could always be a crocodile ''pretending'' to be an alligator! [[User:BaronXVI\|BaronXVI]] ([[User talk:BaronXVI\|talk]]) 00:11, 10 May 2022 (EDT)		:::Could always be a crocodile ''pretending'' to be an alligator! [[User:BaronXVI\|BaronXVI]] ([[User talk:BaronXVI\|talk]]) 00:11, 10 May 2022 (EDT)

			==Artistic license matters except when it doesn't==
			Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

BaronXVI: /* Basic Megatron's Beast Mode */

2022-05-10T04:11:45Z

Basic Megatron's Beast Mode

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	:Also relevant: the packaging for the two pack says "Crocodile turns into evil Predacon Commander!" on it. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 22:31, 8 May 2022 (EDT)		:Also relevant: the packaging for the two pack says "Crocodile turns into evil Predacon Commander!" on it. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 22:31, 8 May 2022 (EDT)
	::Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do for the Japanese side of the character. Takara went out of their way to outright name him "Megalligator" (メガリゲーター ''Megarigētā''), under the impression that he's an alligator, not a crocodile. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 05:41, 9 May 2022 (EDT)		::Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do for the Japanese side of the character. Takara went out of their way to outright name him "Megalligator" (メガリゲーター ''Megarigētā''), under the impression that he's an alligator, not a crocodile. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 05:41, 9 May 2022 (EDT)
			:::Could always be a crocodile ''pretending'' to be an alligator! [[User:BaronXVI\|BaronXVI]] ([[User talk:BaronXVI\|talk]]) 00:11, 10 May 2022 (EDT)

Fanofcoolstuff27: /* Basic Megatron's Beast Mode */

2022-05-09T09:41:39Z

Basic Megatron's Beast Mode

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	:Also relevant: the packaging for the two pack says "Crocodile turns into evil Predacon Commander!" on it. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 22:31, 8 May 2022 (EDT)		:Also relevant: the packaging for the two pack says "Crocodile turns into evil Predacon Commander!" on it. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 22:31, 8 May 2022 (EDT)
			::Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do for the Japanese side of the character. Takara went out of their way to outright name him "Megalligator" (メガリゲーター ''Megarigētā''), under the impression that he's an alligator, not a crocodile. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 05:41, 9 May 2022 (EDT)

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	:::That way it doesn't look like legitimizing a fan-transformation, while still pointing out that something is different. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:::That way it doesn't look like legitimizing a fan-transformation, while still pointing out that something is different. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	::::That's an agreeable compromise. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		::::That's an agreeable compromise. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			:::::Thanks! --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 14:26, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

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	==Artistic license matters except when it doesn't==		==Artistic license matters except when it doesn't==
	Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. (That said, I think the toy pic should have the legs properly collapsed, with the extend legs shown in a box as an alternate transformation to match what the show people were working off.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	::While I have tried this in the past to hide the head, Like Saix said it's worth noting it ends up with the tail upside down, which doesn't match the show look. Realistically the only way to hide the head and have the tail not flipped would be to do a disassembly and put the tail in upside down.I'm not even sure could be done as I think theirs multiple pins and modifications that'd be needed. This really feels like a personal preference mistransformation to me then one worth noting as a result since it can't clearly match the show look without something being off. [[User:ParadoxFactor\|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor\|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		::While I have tried this in the past to hide the head, Like Saix said it's worth noting it ends up with the tail upside down, which doesn't match the show look. Realistically the only way to hide the head and have the tail not flipped would be to do a disassembly and put the tail in upside down.I'm not even sure could be done as I think theirs multiple pins and modifications that'd be needed. This really feels like a personal preference mistransformation to me then one worth noting as a result since it can't clearly match the show look without something being off. [[User:ParadoxFactor\|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor\|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

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	:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			::While I have tried this in the past to hide the head, Like Saix said it's worth noting it ends up with the tail upside down, which doesn't match the show look. Realistically the only way to hide the head and have the tail not flipped would be to do a disassembly and put the tail in upside down.I'm not even sure could be done as I think theirs multiple pins and modifications that'd be needed. This really feels like a personal preference mistransformation to me then one worth noting as a result since it can't clearly match the show look without something being off. [[User:ParadoxFactor\|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor\|talk]]) 13:37, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

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	Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		Though I disagreed with the decision to remove the comment about how to hide the robot head to make it look more like the show, I went along with it on the argument that it isn't in the official transformation. But I don't see any fair standard for taking that out but ''including'' the comment about folding the dragon legs wrong, also not in the official transformation, because that way looks more like the show. The two mods seem completely identical to me and there is no rhyme or reason in favoring one over the other. There are countless dozens of examples of us including show-accurate positioning details all over this wiki. I am asking for consistency - both in or both out - on the writeup of one toy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 13:11, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
	:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)		:The difference is that Mainframe was working off the impression that the dragon's legs were extended instead of collapsed. The show model and the toy match up fine in that instance. Your fan transformation makes the tail look goofy, was clearly not designed as such, and Mainframe was clearly not basing the show's model on that particular mistransformation. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:23, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
			:[https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNKvAnZbWxr8o4OLwr8B7VfmHPw75pDUUsOx3K1QLmK1Ks-uQAi0lvwoWT5jWQgYg/photo/AF1QipPBl_Ifi_V64mbaylXPIl8HLA9IdYJFiaBIQ49A?key=MHBtSW5RM3Y0QUJPckFHczNtcG00QlU3Vi1oRE5n Tail mistransformation, for reference.] [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:32, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

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	:Also relevant: the packaging for the two pack says "Crocodile turns into evil Predacon Commander!" on it. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 22:31, 8 May 2022 (EDT)		:Also relevant: the packaging for the two pack says "Crocodile turns into evil Predacon Commander!" on it. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 22:31, 8 May 2022 (EDT)
	::Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do for the Japanese side of the character. Takara went out of their way to outright name him "Megalligator" (メガリゲーター ''Megarigētā''), under the impression that he's an alligator, not a crocodile. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 05:41, 9 May 2022 (EDT)		::Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do for the Japanese side of the character. Takara went out of their way to outright name him "Megalligator" (メガリゲーター ''Megarigētā''), under the impression that he's an alligator, not a crocodile. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 05:41, 9 May 2022 (EDT)
			:::Could always be a crocodile ''pretending'' to be an alligator! [[User:BaronXVI\|BaronXVI]] ([[User talk:BaronXVI\|talk]]) 00:11, 10 May 2022 (EDT)