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	I was just woundering if we can get a picture or two of the Beast Wars version of the Nemesis? -- [[User:Darth Awar\|Awar]] 14:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC).		I was just woundering if we can get a picture or two of the Beast Wars version of the Nemesis? -- [[User:Darth Awar\|Awar]] 14:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

			== Legacy Bio ==

			Where do we put it?[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 08:49, 28 August 2023 (EDT)

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	Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."		Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."
	: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)		: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

			Maybe just like human history things are printed that are not the same as how it happened, I bet you if you asked 100 people that served in WW2, in the same unit, on the same mission that you would get 50 ways history played out for them, then it is up to the historical people to write down the most common story they heard, maybe the surviving Decepticons all said they shot it down, and the Autobots being the overall victors said "what the hell, let them have that we still one the war."

	==Novel?==		==Novel?==

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	Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."		Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."
	: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)		: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
	Their is a deleted clip of the Nemesis under the command of BW Megatron attacking the Functioning and flying Ark under the command of the Maximals, in the end the Ark crashes into the mountain with the engines sticking out just like in the first G1 episode, also the clip shows Primal removing G1 Megatron's spark from BW Megatron and returning it to it's rightful body

	==Novel?==		==Novel?==

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	Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."		Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."
	: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)		: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
			Their is a deleted clip of the Nemesis under the command of BW Megatron attacking the Functioning and flying Ark under the command of the Maximals, in the end the Ark crashes into the mountain with the engines sticking out just like in the first G1 episode, also the clip shows Primal removing G1 Megatron's spark from BW Megatron and returning it to it's rightful body

	==Novel?==		==Novel?==

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			==Removing "Marvel Comics" section==

	I removed the "Marvel Comics" section because, as I recall, the ship the Decepticons arrived on Earth in had a completely different name. Didn't Galvatron destory it in Target: 2006 or something? --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 03:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)		I removed the "Marvel Comics" section because, as I recall, the ship the Decepticons arrived on Earth in had a completely different name. Didn't Galvatron destory it in Target: 2006 or something? --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 03:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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	:::...head hurts. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 17:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)		:::...head hurts. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 17:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
			::::Eh, would anyone know what issue the information about the ship being Shockwave's base comes from? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 15:47, 6 January 2011 (EST)

	== What about the "other" Nemesis from the toon? ==		== What about the "other" Nemesis from the toon? ==

	Was there any offical name given to the ship built on earth in the cartoon pilot that looked just like the nemesis? The only place that may have had its name (if there is one) would be the show bible or the original scripts for MTMTE (not the badly-edited dictation found on the Metrodome DVDs). Anybody have AWESOME INSIDE SOURCES that has landed them scans of the script? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 18:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)		Was there any offical name given to the ship built on earth in the cartoon pilot that looked just like the nemesis? The only place that may have had its name (if there is one) would be the show bible or the original scripts for MTMTE (not the badly-edited dictation found on the Metrodome DVDs). Anybody have AWESOME INSIDE SOURCES that has landed them scans of the script? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 18:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
	*They didn't mention a name for the ship found in the jungles of Central/South America either,though Megatron did retrieve the [[~~Heart_of_Cybertron\|~~Heart of Cybertron]],from it and after which he proceeded to tear the Autobot new exhaust ports. [[User:ChoHIlqoq\|ChoHIlqoq]] 01:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)		*They didn't mention a name for the ship found in the jungles of Central/South America either,though Megatron did retrieve the [[Heart of Cybertron]],from it and after which he proceeded to tear the Autobot new exhaust ports. [[User:ChoHIlqoq\|ChoHIlqoq]] 01:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

	==The Nemesis and the Beast Wars==		==The Nemesis and the Beast Wars==

	Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."		Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."
	: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)		: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

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	should there be a mention of the Nemesis from the prequel novel to the film?		should there be a mention of the Nemesis from the prequel novel to the film?
	: That'd be a separate entry, under [[Nemesis (~~movie~~)]]. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)		: That'd be a separate entry, under [[Nemesis (Movie)]]. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
	::See, that's part of the stupidity of splitting the movie off into its own continuity family. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 20:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)		::See, that's part of the stupidity of splitting the movie off into its own continuity family. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 20:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


	==Beast Wars Picture?==		==Beast Wars Picture?==

	I was just woundering if we can get a picture or two of the Beast Wars version of the Nemesis? -- [[User:Darth Awar\|Awar]] 14:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC).		I was just woundering if we can get a picture or two of the Beast Wars version of the Nemesis? -- [[User:Darth Awar\|Awar]] 14:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

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I removed the "Marvel Comics" section because, as I recall, the ship the Decepticons arrived on Earth in had a completely different name. Didn't Galvatron destory it in Target: 2006 or something? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 03:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I just checked my copy of Traget: 2006 part 7 and it wasn't mentioned by any name before Galvatron blew it up. However, I could swear on a stack of bibles it had a different name than "Nemesis" in some other issue. But, if I'm wrong, go ahead and re-add a Marvel Comics section. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 03:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

:It never had a name until Beast Wars. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Added the Marvel info, then. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

:Wasn't Shockwave's underwater base in US #72 supposed to be the Nemesis? It was never said so outright in the story (leaving wriggle room I suppose) but the letters page confirmed it. It's one of the places wherte the US and UK stories are in obvious conflict. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah. That's another Uk/US conflicty bit. And Furman wrote both! Bad Furman! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

:::The UK letters page never directly addressed the Nemesis thing,b ut it did say that time wars had caused a new timeline, where TF:TM was no longer the future. Presumably this means Galvatron never arrived and thus never destroyed the Nemesis.

:::The Earthforce seems to be set in the original timeline. With Matrix quest occouring in BOTH...

:::...head hurts. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

== What about the "other" Nemesis from the toon? ==

Was there any offical name given to the ship built on earth in the cartoon pilot that looked just like the nemesis? The only place that may have had its name (if there is one) would be the show bible or the original scripts for MTMTE (not the badly-edited dictation found on the Metrodome DVDs). Anybody have AWESOME INSIDE SOURCES that has landed them scans of the script? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
*They didn't mention a name for the ship found in the jungles of Central/South America either,though Megatron did retrieve the [[Heart_of_Cybertron|Heart of Cybertron]],from it and after which he proceeded to tear the Autobot new exhaust ports. [[User:ChoHIlqoq|ChoHIlqoq]] 01:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

==The Nemesis and the Beast Wars==

Anyone find it odd how - despite BOTH G1 continuities clearly showing the Ark being downed after being boarded, WITHOUT the Nemesis attacking it, AND the fact that there ARE active Transformers who were witness to that attack (like Ravage) who could tell the record straight - the Beast Wars continuity STILL says that the Ark was shot down by the Nemesis? You would think that SOMEWHERE down the road, someone like Ravage or Laserbeak or Optimus Prime or someone would stand up and say "The hell? That's not how it happened! Here's how it went down..."
: Uh. Well, the Marvel telling could certainly work with how the Beast Wars gives it. I mean, the Nemesis shoots up the Ark real good. So much that Optimus Prime decides to forfeit the whole thing and crash it into Earth. And which Autobot is going to record the whole thing as being Optimus Prime's fault? Other than Optimus Prime himself? History isn't always so straightforward. Ask any random joe about the Iraq war, and you'll get thirty different versions. Hell, if you ask Ravage or Laserbeak and they'd probably say the Nemesis shot down the Ark, because that may be how they interpreted it, or the fib is better than "Optimus Prime crashed it to spite us." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

==Novel?==

should there be a mention of the Nemesis from the prequel novel to the film?
: That'd be a separate entry, under [[Nemesis (movie)]]. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
::See, that's part of the stupidity of splitting the movie off into its own continuity family. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

==Beast Wars Picture?==

I was just woundering if we can get a picture or two of the Beast Wars version of the Nemesis? -- [[User:Darth Awar|Awar]] 14:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

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	should there be a mention of the Nemesis from the prequel novel to the film?		should there be a mention of the Nemesis from the prequel novel to the film?
	: That'd be a separate entry, under [[Nemesis (movie)]]. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		: That'd be a separate entry, under [[Nemesis (movie)]]. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
			::See, that's part of the stupidity of splitting the movie off into its own continuity family. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 20:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	should there be a mention of the Nemesis from the prequel novel to the film?<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		should there be a mention of the Nemesis from the prequel novel to the film?
			: That'd be a separate entry, under [[Nemesis (movie)]]. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>