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TitaniumToughGuy: /* Scourge is a Nemesis Prime */

2021-08-05T02:13:07Z

Scourge is a Nemesis Prime

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	I think Rid 2001 Scourge is Nemesis Prime alongside with Grand Scourge. It's very very easy. But RiD01 must be on the Scourge disambiguation page too. [[User:Kiké Prime\|Kiké Prime]] ([[User talk:Kiké Prime\|talk]]) 17:32, 4 August 2021 (EDT)		I think Rid 2001 Scourge is Nemesis Prime alongside with Grand Scourge. It's very very easy. But RiD01 must be on the Scourge disambiguation page too. [[User:Kiké Prime\|Kiké Prime]] ([[User talk:Kiké Prime\|talk]]) 17:32, 4 August 2021 (EDT)
	:Scourge ~~already~~ is listed on the disambiguation page already, just in the "Not to be Confused With" section which is appropriate since they are not the same character, but similar in color and concept.[[User:TitaniumToughGuy\|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy\|talk]]) 22:12, 4 August 2021 (EDT)		:Scourge is listed on the disambiguation page already, just in the "Not to be Confused With" section which is appropriate since they are not the same character, but similar in color and concept.[[User:TitaniumToughGuy\|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy\|talk]]) 22:12, 4 August 2021 (EDT)

TitaniumToughGuy at 02:12, 5 August 2021

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	I think Rid 2001 Scourge is Nemesis Prime alongside with Grand Scourge. It's very very easy. But RiD01 must be on the Scourge disambiguation page too. [[User:Kiké Prime\|Kiké Prime]] ([[User talk:Kiké Prime\|talk]]) 17:32, 4 August 2021 (EDT)		I think Rid 2001 Scourge is Nemesis Prime alongside with Grand Scourge. It's very very easy. But RiD01 must be on the Scourge disambiguation page too. [[User:Kiké Prime\|Kiké Prime]] ([[User talk:Kiké Prime\|talk]]) 17:32, 4 August 2021 (EDT)
			:Scourge already is listed on the disambiguation page already, just in the "Not to be Confused With" section which is appropriate since they are not the same character, but similar in color and concept.[[User:TitaniumToughGuy\|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy\|talk]]) 22:12, 4 August 2021 (EDT)

KikÃ© Prime: /* Scourge is a Nemesis Prime */

2021-08-04T21:32:49Z

Scourge is a Nemesis Prime

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	I'd be happy to make the change myself, but I don't want to go ahead without checking with anyone else only to have it immediately reverted. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:26, 16 February 2020 (EST)		I'd be happy to make the change myself, but I don't want to go ahead without checking with anyone else only to have it immediately reverted. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:26, 16 February 2020 (EST)
	:Forgot to add: It may also be relevant to promote at least him, but maybe also Grand Scourge out of the "Not to be confused with" list if this happens, but not necessary if that's deemed a bridge too far. And no, this wouldn't mean removing him from the relevant sections in [[Scourge (disambiguation)]]; sometimes a character can be two things. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:28, 16 February 2020 (EST)		:Forgot to add: It may also be relevant to promote at least him, but maybe also Grand Scourge out of the "Not to be confused with" list if this happens, but not necessary if that's deemed a bridge too far. And no, this wouldn't mean removing him from the relevant sections in [[Scourge (disambiguation)]]; sometimes a character can be two things. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:28, 16 February 2020 (EST)

			I think Rid 2001 Scourge is Nemesis Prime alongside with Grand Scourge. It's very very easy. But RiD01 must be on the Scourge disambiguation page too. [[User:Kiké Prime\|Kiké Prime]] ([[User talk:Kiké Prime\|talk]]) 17:32, 4 August 2021 (EDT)

Sky Shadow: /* Scourge is a Nemesis Prime */

2020-02-16T15:28:50Z

Scourge is a Nemesis Prime

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	I'd be happy to make the change myself, but I don't want to go ahead without checking with anyone else only to have it immediately reverted. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:26, 16 February 2020 (EST)		I'd be happy to make the change myself, but I don't want to go ahead without checking with anyone else only to have it immediately reverted. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:26, 16 February 2020 (EST)
			:Forgot to add: It may also be relevant to promote at least him, but maybe also Grand Scourge out of the "Not to be confused with" list if this happens, but not necessary if that's deemed a bridge too far. And no, this wouldn't mean removing him from the relevant sections in [[Scourge (disambiguation)]]; sometimes a character can be two things. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:28, 16 February 2020 (EST)

Sky Shadow: /* Scourge is a Nemesis Prime */

2020-02-16T15:26:02Z

Scourge is a Nemesis Prime

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	::Why do only appearances in media matter? I was thinking, from the point of view of a new fan who has just bought POTP or Siege Nemesis Prime, having him in the Major section would be helpful. [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 09:25, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		::Why do only appearances in media matter? I was thinking, from the point of view of a new fan who has just bought POTP or Siege Nemesis Prime, having him in the Major section would be helpful. [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 09:25, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
	:::Prominence in fiction has always been the deciding factor in who we consider "major" in the grand scheme. The only reason G1 Nemesis has so many toys is because he's an easy redeco; beyond that, he hasn't really had much of an impact. Nearly all of his fiction is drawn from toy bios, and he hasn't been considered important enough to appear in major mainstream media, not even IDW's comics or any of the web series. The fact is, he's just not that notable. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:58, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		:::Prominence in fiction has always been the deciding factor in who we consider "major" in the grand scheme. The only reason G1 Nemesis has so many toys is because he's an easy redeco; beyond that, he hasn't really had much of an impact. Nearly all of his fiction is drawn from toy bios, and he hasn't been considered important enough to appear in major mainstream media, not even IDW's comics or any of the web series. The fact is, he's just not that notable. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:58, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

			== Scourge is a Nemesis Prime ==

			This came up in a discussion in the TFWiki discord server, so I'll copy it to the site. I believe it is appropriate for the wiki to consider including [[Scourge (RID)\|Scourge]] in the "Major Nemesis Primes" section, with an embedded image to deliniate their importance. After all, the Major X section was introduced for wiki users who aren't necessarily as lost in the sauce as we are, and may gloss over the names in the "Not to be confused with" list.

			Strictly speaking, I'm not advocating for a total weakening of the disambiguation page to a more general "here's who you may be thinking of" page; putting Downshift as a Major Wheeljack would be a mistake for sure. I just believe it's appropriate to make an exception here given that Scourge is a Black Convoy, and all Nemesis Primes have been known as Black Convoy by Takara - with the exception of both evil UT Optimus Prime redecoes, who are both named Scourge and Grand Scourge respectively!

			I'd be happy to make the change myself, but I don't want to go ahead without checking with anyone else only to have it immediately reverted. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:26, 16 February 2020 (EST)

Cyberlink420: /* Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now? */

2019-09-30T13:58:51Z

Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now?

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	:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
	::Why do only appearances in media matter? I was thinking, from the point of view of a new fan who has just bought POTP or Siege Nemesis Prime, having him in the Major section would be helpful. [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 09:25, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		::Why do only appearances in media matter? I was thinking, from the point of view of a new fan who has just bought POTP or Siege Nemesis Prime, having him in the Major section would be helpful. [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 09:25, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
			:::Prominence in fiction has always been the deciding factor in who we consider "major" in the grand scheme. The only reason G1 Nemesis has so many toys is because he's an easy redeco; beyond that, he hasn't really had much of an impact. Nearly all of his fiction is drawn from toy bios, and he hasn't been considered important enough to appear in major mainstream media, not even IDW's comics or any of the web series. The fact is, he's just not that notable. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:58, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

Omegatron: /* Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now? */

2019-09-30T13:25:30Z

Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now?

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	Seeing as how [[Nemesis Prime (G1)\|G1 Nemesis Prime]] has gotten several new toys in mainstream toylines recently, is it worth adding him to the Major Nemesis Primes section? [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 05:49, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		Seeing as how [[Nemesis Prime (G1)\|G1 Nemesis Prime]] has gotten several new toys in mainstream toylines recently, is it worth adding him to the Major Nemesis Primes section? [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 05:49, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
	:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
			::Why do only appearances in media matter? I was thinking, from the point of view of a new fan who has just bought POTP or Siege Nemesis Prime, having him in the Major section would be helpful. [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 09:25, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

Cyberlink420: /* Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now? */

2019-09-30T12:05:10Z

Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now?

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	Seeing as how [[Nemesis Prime (G1)\|G1 Nemesis Prime]] has gotten several new toys in mainstream toylines recently, is it worth adding him to the Major Nemesis Primes section? [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 05:49, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		Seeing as how [[Nemesis Prime (G1)\|G1 Nemesis Prime]] has gotten several new toys in mainstream toylines recently, is it worth adding him to the Major Nemesis Primes section? [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 05:49, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
			:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

Omegatron: /* Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now? */ new section

2019-09-30T09:49:06Z

Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now?: new section

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	[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/comic-con-exclusive-classics-nemesis-prime-confirmed-164278/ Holy crap we're getting to many of these guys!]--[[User:Autobotx1010\|Autobotx1010]] 21:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)		[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/comic-con-exclusive-classics-nemesis-prime-confirmed-164278/ Holy crap we're getting to many of these guys!]--[[User:Autobotx1010\|Autobotx1010]] 21:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

			== Is G1 Nemesis Prime major now? ==

			Seeing as how [[Nemesis Prime (G1)\|G1 Nemesis Prime]] has gotten several new toys in mainstream toylines recently, is it worth adding him to the Major Nemesis Primes section? [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 05:49, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

Abates: Undo revision 761015 by Heriald of Primus (Talk) No fanfic please

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Undo revision 761015 by Heriald of Primus (Talk) No fanfic please

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	[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/comic-con-exclusive-classics-nemesis-prime-confirmed-164278/ Holy crap we're getting to many of these guys!]--[[User:Autobotx1010\|Autobotx1010]] 21:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)		[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/comic-con-exclusive-classics-nemesis-prime-confirmed-164278/ Holy crap we're getting to many of these guys!]--[[User:Autobotx1010\|Autobotx1010]] 21:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
	~~Nemesis prime custum bio.ALL COPYRIGHT TO HASBRO AND TAKARA/TOMY!!!Transformers nemesis prime custum~~
	In the last days of the war the Decepticons had Joined the Quintessons.This partnership was one make in The pit itself because the Quintessons had Ideas that were horrific and pleaseing to the Decepticons.The Quintessons came up with the Idea to make the perrfect worrieor to be the new decepticon leader.They took they took the powerchips from the decepticons that had speceial powers and created a Mind chip from the now dead Megatron and Galvatron 2.They also used the though to be legend Destruction matrix.They placed the chips and the Matix into a copy of Optimus prime's body.The result was the first prime to be made from the Decepticon side Nemesis prime! A skilled leader like megatron With the power of Galvatron 2 and the seeker comanders he lead the Decepticons into a new great war so bad that Primus was not sure the Autobots would win.So did what he had to do he unleashed his secret weapon The last Autobot as well as thenewest prime from a time ruled by Nemesis prime timelose.To help the Autobots in the last battle between the Decepticons.The Decepticons were all defeated and Nemesis was traped in power drain pod on their war ship that was set to selfdestruct.They thought it was all over but as Nemesis flowed in space he found him self at the head of unicron who was thought to be long dead.Nemesis used his Matrix to rebuild Unicron.In exchange for his help Unicron gave him a peace of his power and placed a symbol on his face plate that ment he was his herild.This last battle forced Primus to finaly transform and face his brother once again.Nemesis beat Optimus and was about to kill him.Timelose prime came to save him and they battled to the death. Nemesis drove himself into unicron's spark causeing them to fusi and gave him the uperhand and riped the matrix out of Prim's chest and destroid it.Timelose then used the time zone keys to reformate Optimus with the power of the universe star.But that was still not enough and Nemesis beat Optimus in just a few minutes.Timelose atacked Nemesis with all his might and broke his faceplate.His anger and hatred for Nemesis erupted and activated his spark fire a secrert weapon of the prime's.He finished of Nemesis grabed Optimus and escaped Unicrons body. Primus Took down the weakend Unicron once and for all with his creator smash.But 5 years later Optimus started feeling uneasy at night.He started having dark thoughts and went into stasis lock for no aparent reason.Then one night he felt a massive amount of pain his body began to change him finger became sharpe and what happened to him was that Nemesis had posesed him and was transforming him into his new body.Nemesis went on a rampage and but turned back into Optimus at dawn.Inside they fought for controll but Nemesis was to strong for him.Omega supreme found Nemsis and held him off for Wheeljack to finish building the spark remover.Knowing he could kill Optimus. They traped Nemesis in the pod and almost took Optimus's spark with him.Nemesis's spark mutated in to his new body with the dna he got from prime.Now insted of being a cybord of him he was dna speeking his son.The three battled and knocked out Nemesis.Seeing as they could not kill him they locked him up in a chamber that was made of Omega energon,red energon and normal energon.The reaction keeps him from using his powers.He is now siting humoresly in the autobot counsle roomand as of yet has never broken out

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	I'd be happy to make the change myself, but I don't want to go ahead without checking with anyone else only to have it immediately reverted. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:26, 16 February 2020 (EST)		I'd be happy to make the change myself, but I don't want to go ahead without checking with anyone else only to have it immediately reverted. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:26, 16 February 2020 (EST)
	:Forgot to add: It may also be relevant to promote at least him, but maybe also Grand Scourge out of the "Not to be confused with" list if this happens, but not necessary if that's deemed a bridge too far. And no, this wouldn't mean removing him from the relevant sections in [[Scourge (disambiguation)]]; sometimes a character can be two things. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:28, 16 February 2020 (EST)		:Forgot to add: It may also be relevant to promote at least him, but maybe also Grand Scourge out of the "Not to be confused with" list if this happens, but not necessary if that's deemed a bridge too far. And no, this wouldn't mean removing him from the relevant sections in [[Scourge (disambiguation)]]; sometimes a character can be two things. [[User:Sky Shadow\|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow\|talk]]) 10:28, 16 February 2020 (EST)

			I think Rid 2001 Scourge is Nemesis Prime alongside with Grand Scourge. It's very very easy. But RiD01 must be on the Scourge disambiguation page too. [[User:Kiké Prime\|Kiké Prime]] ([[User talk:Kiké Prime\|talk]]) 17:32, 4 August 2021 (EDT)

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	:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
	::Why do only appearances in media matter? I was thinking, from the point of view of a new fan who has just bought POTP or Siege Nemesis Prime, having him in the Major section would be helpful. [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 09:25, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		::Why do only appearances in media matter? I was thinking, from the point of view of a new fan who has just bought POTP or Siege Nemesis Prime, having him in the Major section would be helpful. [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 09:25, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
			:::Prominence in fiction has always been the deciding factor in who we consider "major" in the grand scheme. The only reason G1 Nemesis has so many toys is because he's an easy redeco; beyond that, he hasn't really had much of an impact. Nearly all of his fiction is drawn from toy bios, and he hasn't been considered important enough to appear in major mainstream media, not even IDW's comics or any of the web series. The fact is, he's just not that notable. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:58, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

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	Seeing as how [[Nemesis Prime (G1)\|G1 Nemesis Prime]] has gotten several new toys in mainstream toylines recently, is it worth adding him to the Major Nemesis Primes section? [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 05:49, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		Seeing as how [[Nemesis Prime (G1)\|G1 Nemesis Prime]] has gotten several new toys in mainstream toylines recently, is it worth adding him to the Major Nemesis Primes section? [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 05:49, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
	:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)		:No, "Major" iterations are determined by appearances in fiction, not number of toys. Armada, Prime and TLK Nemesis all appeared in cartoons and movies, hence why they're denoted as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
			::Why do only appearances in media matter? I was thinking, from the point of view of a new fan who has just bought POTP or Siege Nemesis Prime, having him in the Major section would be helpful. [[User:Omegatron\|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron\|talk]]) 09:25, 30 September 2019 (EDT)