Talk:Optimus Clone - Revision history

https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AOptimus_Clone Talk:Optimus Clone - Revision history 2026-09-13T01:19:26Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006641&oldid=prev Emvee at 15:54, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T15:54:20Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:54, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l14">Line 14:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 14:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Yes, but the G1 cartoon is canon for the game. It makes numerous reference to the G1 cartoon, and after fighting the clones, Prime even recalls the first time they dealt with one. As this really seems like more of a "technology" thing than a "character" thing, I don't see the harm in merging them. In fact, they're called "Clone Primes" in the English dialogue of the game, and the game tends to be very literal in its translation - I'm sure that means they were "Clone Convoys" in the Japanese, with "Clone Convoy" having been the name used for the original cartoon clone. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Yes, but the G1 cartoon is canon for the game. It makes numerous reference to the G1 cartoon, and after fighting the clones, Prime even recalls the first time they dealt with one. As this really seems like more of a "technology" thing than a "character" thing, I don't see the harm in merging them. In fact, they're called "Clone Primes" in the English dialogue of the game, and the game tends to be very literal in its translation - I'm sure that means they were "Clone Convoys" in the Japanese, with "Clone Convoy" having been the name used for the original cartoon clone. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::::Yep, agreed and agreed. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 11:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Emvee https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006640&oldid=prev Chris McFeely at 15:10, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T15:10:25Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:10, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l13">Line 13:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 13:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Riptide explains it a lot better than I could have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:56, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Riptide explains it a lot better than I could have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:56, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Yes, but the G1 cartoon is canon for the game. It makes numerous reference to the G1 cartoon, and after fighting the clones, Prime even recalls the first time they dealt with one. As this really seems like more of a "technology" thing than a "character" thing, I don't see the harm in merging them. In fact, they're called "Clone Primes" in the English dialogue of the game, and the game tends to be very literal in its translation - I'm sure that means they were "Clone Convoys" in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">original</del>, with "Clone Convoy" having been the name used for the original cartoon clone. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Yes, but the G1 cartoon is canon for the game. It makes numerous reference to the G1 cartoon, and after fighting the clones, Prime even recalls the first time they dealt with one. As this really seems like more of a "technology" thing than a "character" thing, I don't see the harm in merging them. In fact, they're called "Clone Primes" in the English dialogue of the game, and the game tends to be very literal in its translation - I'm sure that means they were "Clone Convoys" in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Japanese</ins>, with "Clone Convoy" having been the name used for the original cartoon clone. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Chris McFeely https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006639&oldid=prev Chris McFeely at 15:10, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T15:10:04Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:10, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l13">Line 13:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 13:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Riptide explains it a lot better than I could have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:56, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Riptide explains it a lot better than I could have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:56, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Yes, but the G1 cartoon is canon for the game. It makes numerous reference to the G1 cartoon, and after fighting the clones, Prime even recalls the first time they dealt with one. As this really seems like more of a "technology" thing than a "character" thing, I don't see the harm in merging them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Yes, but the G1 cartoon is canon for the game. It makes numerous reference to the G1 cartoon, and after fighting the clones, Prime even recalls the first time they dealt with one. As this really seems like more of a "technology" thing than a "character" thing, I don't see the harm in merging them<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. In fact, they're called "Clone Primes" in the English dialogue of the game, and the game tends to be very literal in its translation - I'm sure that means they were "Clone Convoys" in the original, with "Clone Convoy" having been the name used for the original cartoon clone</ins>. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Chris McFeely https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006638&oldid=prev Chris McFeely at 15:05, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T15:05:52Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:05, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l13">Line 13:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 13:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Riptide explains it a lot better than I could have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:56, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Riptide explains it a lot better than I could have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:56, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::::Yes, but the G1 cartoon is canon for the game. It makes numerous reference to the G1 cartoon, and after fighting the clones, Prime even recalls the first time they dealt with one. As this really seems like more of a "technology" thing than a "character" thing, I don't see the harm in merging them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Chris McFeely https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006636&oldid=prev Khajidha at 14:56, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T14:56:44Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:56, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11">Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::The difference is that Skywarp and Clone #3370318 are individuals with personalities and separate names and colour schemes. The G1 and game Optimus clones are, respectively, a directly-controlled robot and a group of mass-produced clones. I think we should treat them as expressions of the same concept, since none of them are individual beings. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:04, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::The difference is that Skywarp and Clone #3370318 are individuals with personalities and separate names and colour schemes. The G1 and game Optimus clones are, respectively, a directly-controlled robot and a group of mass-produced clones. I think we should treat them as expressions of the same concept, since none of them are individual beings. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:04, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Makes sense to me, though I can't say I feel very strongly one way or the other. I guess I'm a mild vote for connecting them. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:19, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Makes sense to me, though I can't say I feel very strongly one way or the other. I guess I'm a mild vote for connecting them. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:19, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::::Riptide explains it a lot better than I could have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:56, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Khajidha https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006634&oldid=prev Emvee at 14:39, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T14:39:11Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:39, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11">Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::The difference is that Skywarp and Clone #3370318 are individuals with personalities and separate names and colour schemes. The G1 and game Optimus clones are, respectively, a directly-controlled robot and a group of mass-produced clones. I think we should treat them as expressions of the same concept, since none of them are individual beings. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:04, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::The difference is that Skywarp and Clone #3370318 are individuals with personalities and separate names and colour schemes. The G1 and game Optimus clones are, respectively, a directly-controlled robot and a group of mass-produced clones. I think we should treat them as expressions of the same concept, since none of them are individual beings. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:04, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Makes sense to me, though I can't say I feel very strongly one way or the other. I guess I'm a mild vote for connecting them. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:19, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Makes sense to me, though I can't say I feel very strongly one way or the other. I guess I'm a mild vote for connecting them. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:19, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::From the game's own page: "It does not seem to be officially considered part of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, however; it features several anachronistic appearances by characters who are not time-travelling (the Headmasters, for instance, are shown to be working with their respective factions, when they will not leave their homeworld to do so until 2011), and its events were not included in the painfully comprehensive 2007 timeline." --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Emvee https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006628&oldid=prev Giggidy at 14:19, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T14:19:44Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:19, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l10">Line 10:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 10:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::But the events of this game take place in a universe where the Prime Problem clone exists. Your logic doesn't really follow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:47, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::But the events of this game take place in a universe where the Prime Problem clone exists. Your logic doesn't really follow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:47, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::The difference is that Skywarp and Clone #3370318 are individuals with personalities and separate names and colour schemes. The G1 and game Optimus clones are, respectively, a directly-controlled robot and a group of mass-produced clones. I think we should treat them as expressions of the same concept, since none of them are individual beings. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:04, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::The difference is that Skywarp and Clone #3370318 are individuals with personalities and separate names and colour schemes. The G1 and game Optimus clones are, respectively, a directly-controlled robot and a group of mass-produced clones. I think we should treat them as expressions of the same concept, since none of them are individual beings. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:04, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::::Makes sense to me, though I can't say I feel very strongly one way or the other. I guess I'm a mild vote for connecting them. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:19, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Giggidy https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006627&oldid=prev Broadside at 14:04, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T14:04:29Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:04, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l9">Line 9:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 9:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::Clone #3370318 and ''Animated'' "Skywarp" both exist within the same timeline - as in, one was literally chronologically created after the other, so they have to be separate individuals. Here, we're dealing with two iterations of the G1 cartoonverse that don't necessarily overlap chronologically, but both contain evil clones of Optimus Prime created by Megatron. They're just slightly different implementations of the same idea IMHO, hence merge. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:43, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::Clone #3370318 and ''Animated'' "Skywarp" both exist within the same timeline - as in, one was literally chronologically created after the other, so they have to be separate individuals. Here, we're dealing with two iterations of the G1 cartoonverse that don't necessarily overlap chronologically, but both contain evil clones of Optimus Prime created by Megatron. They're just slightly different implementations of the same idea IMHO, hence merge. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:43, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::But the events of this game take place in a universe where the Prime Problem clone exists. Your logic doesn't really follow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:47, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::But the events of this game take place in a universe where the Prime Problem clone exists. Your logic doesn't really follow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:47, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::The difference is that Skywarp and Clone #3370318 are individuals with personalities and separate names and colour schemes. The G1 and game Optimus clones are, respectively, a directly-controlled robot and a group of mass-produced clones. I think we should treat them as expressions of the same concept, since none of them are individual beings. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:04, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Broadside https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006624&oldid=prev Saix at 13:47, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T13:47:51Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:47, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l8">Line 8:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 8:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Is this that different from [[Clone number 3370318]] and [[Skywarp (Animated)]]? They remain separate, despite being essentially "the same thing." If they are different iterations of a clone of Optimus in the same storyline, they should be treated as seperate characters. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 09:29, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Is this that different from [[Clone number 3370318]] and [[Skywarp (Animated)]]? They remain separate, despite being essentially "the same thing." If they are different iterations of a clone of Optimus in the same storyline, they should be treated as seperate characters. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 09:29, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::Clone #3370318 and ''Animated'' "Skywarp" both exist within the same timeline - as in, one was literally chronologically created after the other, so they have to be separate individuals. Here, we're dealing with two iterations of the G1 cartoonverse that don't necessarily overlap chronologically, but both contain evil clones of Optimus Prime created by Megatron. They're just slightly different implementations of the same idea IMHO, hence merge. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:43, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::Clone #3370318 and ''Animated'' "Skywarp" both exist within the same timeline - as in, one was literally chronologically created after the other, so they have to be separate individuals. Here, we're dealing with two iterations of the G1 cartoonverse that don't necessarily overlap chronologically, but both contain evil clones of Optimus Prime created by Megatron. They're just slightly different implementations of the same idea IMHO, hence merge. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:43, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::But the events of this game take place in a universe where the Prime Problem clone exists. Your logic doesn't really follow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:47, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Saix https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Clone&diff=1006623&oldid=prev Emvee at 13:43, 14 September 2015 2015-09-14T13:43:22Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:43, 14 September 2015</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::I vote merge, they're G1-cartoon universe evil clones of Optimus Prime. Freakertron has it right. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:18, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::I vote merge, they're G1-cartoon universe evil clones of Optimus Prime. Freakertron has it right. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:18, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Is this that different from [[Clone number 3370318]] and [[Skywarp (Animated)]]? They remain separate, despite being essentially "the same thing." If they are different iterations of a clone of Optimus in the same storyline, they should be treated as seperate characters. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 09:29, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Is this that different from [[Clone number 3370318]] and [[Skywarp (Animated)]]? They remain separate, despite being essentially "the same thing." If they are different iterations of a clone of Optimus in the same storyline, they should be treated as seperate characters. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 09:29, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::Clone #3370318 and ''Animated'' "Skywarp" both exist within the same timeline - as in, one was literally chronologically created after the other, so they have to be separate individuals. Here, we're dealing with two iterations of the G1 cartoonverse that don't necessarily overlap chronologically, but both contain evil clones of Optimus Prime created by Megatron. They're just slightly different implementations of the same idea IMHO, hence merge. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:43, 14 September 2015 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Emvee