Talk:Optimus Prime (Universe) - Revision history

Saix: Read dates, please

2025-04-01T03:46:10Z

Read dates, please

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	::::::::::In my opinion, gender isn't a big enough factor to keep the pages separated. Alternate universe versions of characters that are a different gender is nothing new, even though beforehand it was mostly due to differences Japanese/American marketing decisions. If [[Airazor (BW)\|Airazor]] got some new fiction exclusive to Japan, and was treated as a male character in it, I think it's safe to say we'd list it on her main page. Heck, doesn't every universe where Transformers officially have ''no'' gender listed on the same page as incarnations from universes where they do have genders count towards this argument? --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 13:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)		::::::::::In my opinion, gender isn't a big enough factor to keep the pages separated. Alternate universe versions of characters that are a different gender is nothing new, even though beforehand it was mostly due to differences Japanese/American marketing decisions. If [[Airazor (BW)\|Airazor]] got some new fiction exclusive to Japan, and was treated as a male character in it, I think it's safe to say we'd list it on her main page. Heck, doesn't every universe where Transformers officially have ''no'' gender listed on the same page as incarnations from universes where they do have genders count towards this argument? --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 13:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::::::Good point, I'd forgotten about gender in dubs. Bums, merger seems her destiny. --[[User:Charles RB\|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB\|talk]]) 19:40, 18 August 2015 (GMT)		:::::::::::Good point, I'd forgotten about gender in dubs. Bums, merger seems her destiny. --[[User:Charles RB\|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB\|talk]]) 19:40, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
	::::::::::::I don't think it should as there is a note that says "Prime's "Worlds Collide" cameo was originally meant to be a version of the Robots in Disguise cartoon's Optimus Prime, but was later established by Ask Vector Prime as being the Prime from the Voice Actor Drama." and since that is established as this OP it is not a variant of RID Optimus despite that being the original intention. I think it should stay just as it is. [[User:Blastcrusher\|Blastcrusher]] ([[User talk:Blastcrusher\|talk]]) 23:31, 31 March 2025 (EDT)

	== "Literally" ==		== "Literally" ==

Blastcrusher: /* Separation or merge */

2025-04-01T03:31:45Z

Separation or merge

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	::::::::::In my opinion, gender isn't a big enough factor to keep the pages separated. Alternate universe versions of characters that are a different gender is nothing new, even though beforehand it was mostly due to differences Japanese/American marketing decisions. If [[Airazor (BW)\|Airazor]] got some new fiction exclusive to Japan, and was treated as a male character in it, I think it's safe to say we'd list it on her main page. Heck, doesn't every universe where Transformers officially have ''no'' gender listed on the same page as incarnations from universes where they do have genders count towards this argument? --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 13:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)		::::::::::In my opinion, gender isn't a big enough factor to keep the pages separated. Alternate universe versions of characters that are a different gender is nothing new, even though beforehand it was mostly due to differences Japanese/American marketing decisions. If [[Airazor (BW)\|Airazor]] got some new fiction exclusive to Japan, and was treated as a male character in it, I think it's safe to say we'd list it on her main page. Heck, doesn't every universe where Transformers officially have ''no'' gender listed on the same page as incarnations from universes where they do have genders count towards this argument? --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 13:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::::::Good point, I'd forgotten about gender in dubs. Bums, merger seems her destiny. --[[User:Charles RB\|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB\|talk]]) 19:40, 18 August 2015 (GMT)		:::::::::::Good point, I'd forgotten about gender in dubs. Bums, merger seems her destiny. --[[User:Charles RB\|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB\|talk]]) 19:40, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
			::::::::::::I don't think it should as there is a note that says "Prime's "Worlds Collide" cameo was originally meant to be a version of the Robots in Disguise cartoon's Optimus Prime, but was later established by Ask Vector Prime as being the Prime from the Voice Actor Drama." and since that is established as this OP it is not a variant of RID Optimus despite that being the original intention. I think it should stay just as it is. [[User:Blastcrusher\|Blastcrusher]] ([[User talk:Blastcrusher\|talk]]) 23:31, 31 March 2025 (EDT)

	== "Literally" ==		== "Literally" ==

TheLastGherkin at 09:24, 29 March 2023

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	:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
	::::::I don't see why the female Universe Spychanger can't continue to stay on her own page suited to the primary page of her male counterpart, while Yellow gets her own separate page entirely. After all, there is even a point in the Spychanger's life when she is both red instead of yellow and not yet a Spychanger, making the only difference from her male counterpart at that point in her life the fact that she's a she instead of a he, whereas Yellow is, by all appearances, always female and yellow-colored but never a Spychanger. I mean, if we're giving Purple his own page separate from SG Optimus, and now Red finally has his own article separate from Sentinel. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 17:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		::::::I don't see why the female Universe Spychanger can't continue to stay on her own page suited to the primary page of her male counterpart, while Yellow gets her own separate page entirely. After all, there is even a point in the Spychanger's life when she is both red instead of yellow and not yet a Spychanger, making the only difference from her male counterpart at that point in her life the fact that she's a she instead of a he, whereas Yellow is, by all appearances, always female and yellow-colored but never a Spychanger. I mean, if we're giving Purple his own page separate from SG Optimus, and now Red finally has his own article separate from Sentinel. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 17:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			::::::I think whatever ends up happening, we can't understate the likelihood that Sakamoto made a female, yellow "Optimus Prime" almost certainly because there was a pre-existing female, yellow Optimus Prime. There is absolutely a conceptual lineage there. Spychanger Optimus to Yellow Splendid is a straight line from A to B. –[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 05:24, 29 March 2023 (EDT)

Sabrblade: /* Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow */

2023-03-28T21:29:54Z

Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow

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	::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
	:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			::::::I don't see why the female Universe Spychanger can't continue to stay on her own page suited to the primary page of her male counterpart, while Yellow gets her own separate page entirely. After all, there is even a point in the Spychanger's life when she is both red instead of yellow and not yet a Spychanger, making the only difference from her male counterpart at that point in her life the fact that she's a she instead of a he, whereas Yellow is, by all appearances, always female and yellow-colored but never a Spychanger. I mean, if we're giving Purple his own page separate from SG Optimus, and now Red finally has his own article separate from Sentinel. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 17:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

The Wadapan at 20:45, 28 March 2023

2023-03-28T20:45:56Z

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	:::My take is that Yellow should have her own page and the Spychanger merged back to RID Optimus Prime. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:::My take is that Yellow should have her own page and the Spychanger merged back to RID Optimus Prime. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
	::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

Iacon0: /* Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow */

2023-03-28T17:34:27Z

Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow

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	:::I don't agree that they should be together, but hyperbolic arguments aren't helpful. They're yellow female redecoes of Fire Convoy. Some people think that concept is worth keeping together.		:::I don't agree that they should be together, but hyperbolic arguments aren't helpful. They're yellow female redecoes of Fire Convoy. Some people think that concept is worth keeping together.
	:::My take is that Yellow should have her own page and the Spychanger merged back to RID Optimus Prime. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:::My take is that Yellow should have her own page and the Spychanger merged back to RID Optimus Prime. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

Saix: /* Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow */

2023-03-28T17:29:20Z

Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow

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	:Also please sign your posts. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:07, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:Also please sign your posts. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:07, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
	::I'm not sure why the out-of-universe genesis of an in-universe system matters. Correct me if I'm wrong, but... isn't "leaving Yellow Splendid Convoy's western incarnation in the bowels of Fire Convoy's article" exactly how the page is now? I don't follow what you're trying to say. Either way, Yellow Splendid Convoy and Universe Spychanger Optimus Prime aren't the same character. Go Prime gets a pass because he has the same name, characterization, and abilities; by all accounts he's either the exact same guy or an alternate incarnation. If color, gender, and general appearance are all it takes to merge pages rather than the actual in-universe system (that's already based off the wiki classifications to begin with), then I guess Windblade and Twitch are the same character now? [[User:Kurisu\|Kurisu]] ([[User talk:Kurisu\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		::I'm not sure why the out-of-universe genesis of an in-universe system matters. Correct me if I'm wrong, but... isn't "leaving Yellow Splendid Convoy's western incarnation in the bowels of Fire Convoy's article" exactly how the page is now? I don't follow what you're trying to say. Either way, Yellow Splendid Convoy and Universe Spychanger Optimus Prime aren't the same character. Go Prime gets a pass because he has the same name, characterization, and abilities; by all accounts he's either the exact same guy or an alternate incarnation. If color, gender, and general appearance are all it takes to merge pages rather than the actual in-universe system (that's already based off the wiki classifications to begin with), then I guess Windblade and Twitch are the same character now? [[User:Kurisu\|Kurisu]] ([[User talk:Kurisu\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			:::I don't agree that they should be together, but hyperbolic arguments aren't helpful. They're yellow female redecoes of Fire Convoy. Some people think that concept is worth keeping together.
			:::My take is that Yellow should have her own page and the Spychanger merged back to RID Optimus Prime. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

Kurisu: /* Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow */

2023-03-28T17:20:57Z

Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow

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	:Anecdotally this has also proven the most popular article out of all the Primus Vanguard business by a fairly wide margin in my experience, so it'd be a shame to carve it up over a technicality.		:Anecdotally this has also proven the most popular article out of all the Primus Vanguard business by a fairly wide margin in my experience, so it'd be a shame to carve it up over a technicality.
	:Also please sign your posts. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:07, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:Also please sign your posts. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:07, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			::I'm not sure why the out-of-universe genesis of an in-universe system matters. Correct me if I'm wrong, but... isn't "leaving Yellow Splendid Convoy's western incarnation in the bowels of Fire Convoy's article" exactly how the page is now? I don't follow what you're trying to say. Either way, Yellow Splendid Convoy and Universe Spychanger Optimus Prime aren't the same character. Go Prime gets a pass because he has the same name, characterization, and abilities; by all accounts he's either the exact same guy or an alternate incarnation. If color, gender, and general appearance are all it takes to merge pages rather than the actual in-universe system (that's already based off the wiki classifications to begin with), then I guess Windblade and Twitch are the same character now? [[User:Kurisu\|Kurisu]] ([[User talk:Kurisu\|talk]]) 13:20, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

AzimuthAcolyte: Attempting to field this

2023-03-28T17:07:42Z

Attempting to field this

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	== Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow ==		== Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow ==

	Why does Red Sentinel have a separate page, but Yellow is lumped in with the Spychanger? They don't use the same toy and aren't from the same universal stream, there's no reason to consider them the same. It's like putting all the Aligned guys' information on their G1 counterpart pages because War For Cybertron doubles as Uniend and Primax.		Why does Red Sentinel have a separate page, but Yellow is lumped in with the Spychanger? They don't use the same toy and aren't from the same universal stream, there's no reason to consider them the same. It's like putting all the Aligned guys' information on their G1 counterpart pages because War For Cybertron doubles as Uniend and Primax. {{unsigned\|Kurisu\|08:07, 28 March 2023}}
			:Well first of all in-universe multiversal cartography from boutique collector fiction doesn't really dictate how we organize the wiki, that's rather the tail wagging the dog. [[Universal stream#Notes\|Especially given the Transtech system in particular was devised as a parody]].
			:Our guiding principle is the end-user experience and leaving Yellow Splendid Convoy's western incarnation in the bowels of Fire Convoy's article where she was previously makes the character evolution rather hard to follow.
			:Anecdotally this has also proven the most popular article out of all the Primus Vanguard business by a fairly wide margin in my experience, so it'd be a shame to carve it up over a technicality.
			:Also please sign your posts. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:07, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

Kurisu: /* Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow */ new section

2023-03-28T14:07:40Z

Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow: new section

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	:::::Well, when somebody tells me that something both literally means something and does not literally mean that same thing at the same time, I find that confusing. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 14:57, 22 November 2021 (EST)		:::::Well, when somebody tells me that something both literally means something and does not literally mean that same thing at the same time, I find that confusing. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 14:57, 22 November 2021 (EST)
	::::::Dude, the "literally" only applies to what's in the parentheses. We first give her translated name in the text, then in the parentheses we give her name as originally written in Japanese, the Romanization of that Japanese-written name, and then it's literal English definition. The note is just there to explain why the name's English translation and its literal English definition are not identical. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 18:15, 22 November 2021 (EST)		::::::Dude, the "literally" only applies to what's in the parentheses. We first give her translated name in the text, then in the parentheses we give her name as originally written in Japanese, the Romanization of that Japanese-written name, and then it's literal English definition. The note is just there to explain why the name's English translation and its literal English definition are not identical. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 18:15, 22 November 2021 (EST)

			== Split Universe Spychanger and Yellow ==

			Why does Red Sentinel have a separate page, but Yellow is lumped in with the Spychanger? They don't use the same toy and aren't from the same universal stream, there's no reason to consider them the same. It's like putting all the Aligned guys' information on their G1 counterpart pages because War For Cybertron doubles as Uniend and Primax.

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	:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
	::::::I don't see why the female Universe Spychanger can't continue to stay on her own page suited to the primary page of her male counterpart, while Yellow gets her own separate page entirely. After all, there is even a point in the Spychanger's life when she is both red instead of yellow and not yet a Spychanger, making the only difference from her male counterpart at that point in her life the fact that she's a she instead of a he, whereas Yellow is, by all appearances, always female and yellow-colored but never a Spychanger. I mean, if we're giving Purple his own page separate from SG Optimus, and now Red finally has his own article separate from Sentinel. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 17:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		::::::I don't see why the female Universe Spychanger can't continue to stay on her own page suited to the primary page of her male counterpart, while Yellow gets her own separate page entirely. After all, there is even a point in the Spychanger's life when she is both red instead of yellow and not yet a Spychanger, making the only difference from her male counterpart at that point in her life the fact that she's a she instead of a he, whereas Yellow is, by all appearances, always female and yellow-colored but never a Spychanger. I mean, if we're giving Purple his own page separate from SG Optimus, and now Red finally has his own article separate from Sentinel. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 17:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			::::::I think whatever ends up happening, we can't understate the likelihood that Sakamoto made a female, yellow "Optimus Prime" almost certainly because there was a pre-existing female, yellow Optimus Prime. There is absolutely a conceptual lineage there. Spychanger Optimus to Yellow Splendid is a straight line from A to B. –[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 05:24, 29 March 2023 (EDT)

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	::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
	:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			::::::I don't see why the female Universe Spychanger can't continue to stay on her own page suited to the primary page of her male counterpart, while Yellow gets her own separate page entirely. After all, there is even a point in the Spychanger's life when she is both red instead of yellow and not yet a Spychanger, making the only difference from her male counterpart at that point in her life the fact that she's a she instead of a he, whereas Yellow is, by all appearances, always female and yellow-colored but never a Spychanger. I mean, if we're giving Purple his own page separate from SG Optimus, and now Red finally has his own article separate from Sentinel. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 17:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

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	:::My take is that Yellow should have her own page and the Spychanger merged back to RID Optimus Prime. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		:::My take is that Yellow should have her own page and the Spychanger merged back to RID Optimus Prime. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
	::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)		::::Seconded. [[User:Iacon0\|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0\|talk]]) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
			:::::For me personally, this page functions ideally in its current state: it collates the fictional appearances of that one weird yellow Optimus Prime from ''Universe'', which isn't portrayed as an upgrade (or similar) for [[Optimus Prime (RID)\|Optimus Prime]], but rather just as its own thing. Optimus Prime (Universe) is an obvious article from that perspective. But I am sympathetic to the idea that ''Universe'' Optimus Prime ''should'' just be on the ''Robots in Disguise'' incarnation's page, and indeed we currently recognise that by having the yellow toys on both pages, because from a toy perspective, this is just a fun variant of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. It's not really some new, separate thing. It feels like, if you overlook the variance in gender, the yellow Optimus Prime is just another multiversal incarnation of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. That said, I think all of the Primus Vanguard characters (aside from [[Go Prime]] and [[Purple Wicked Convoy]] who are both special cases) ''are'' taking these random colorways and spinning them off into new characters. "Red Sentinel Prime" isn't just Sentinel Prime, it's specifically that translucent variant, so it's the same situation as the rest: each toy doubles as both a special form for the character, and a different character entirely. Being technical about it, you could move the ''Universe'' stuff onto the ''Robots in Disguise'' page and rename this one Yellow Splendid Convoy, but that still seems less user-friendly to me. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (EDT)