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TransFormersfan1: TransFormersfan1 moved page Talk:Override (G1 Velocitron) to Talk:Override (BWU) over redirect: Editing mistake

2021-09-23T14:37:34Z

TransFormersfan1 moved page Talk:Override (G1 Velocitron) to Talk:Override (BWU) over redirect: Editing mistake

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TransFormersfan1: TransFormersfan1 moved page Talk:Override (BWU) to Talk:Override (G1 Velocitron): Other BWU introduced non-G1 characters have been renamed

2021-09-23T13:13:00Z

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Broadside: Riptide moved page Talk:Override (BW) to Talk:Override (BWU)

2020-06-22T13:35:20Z

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Saix: clean up, replaced: → , Sky-Byte (G2) → Sky-Byte (RID)

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	::There's not enough commonality between them to build a coherent bio in the lead paragraph. The other Builders are almost all established G1 characters and thus we go with the most common portrayal for their bio paragraphs. In this case we have two wildly different, indeed inherently contradictory descriptions and nothing in between. There's nothing to average out here, and I feel that attempts to do so would only confuse readers. I know it's wiki policy to put them together, but we make exceptions to wiki policy when reader clarity would otherwise suffer.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:36, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::There's not enough commonality between them to build a coherent bio in the lead paragraph. The other Builders are almost all established G1 characters and thus we go with the most common portrayal for their bio paragraphs. In this case we have two wildly different, indeed inherently contradictory descriptions and nothing in between. There's nothing to average out here, and I feel that attempts to do so would only confuse readers. I know it's wiki policy to put them together, but we make exceptions to wiki policy when reader clarity would otherwise suffer.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:36, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::I get your point, but the thing about BWU is that all the Builders don't have their "normal" personalities, and are assholes. I'd argue that by the nature of the Uprising universe we should go with the IDW portrayal... once we actually know what that is. I know that seems kind of arbitrary, but... yeah. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:06, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::I get your point, but the thing about BWU is that all the Builders don't have their "normal" personalities, and are assholes. I'd argue that by the nature of the Uprising universe we should go with the IDW portrayal... once we actually know what that is. I know that seems kind of arbitrary, but... yeah. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:06, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::Agreed. BWU Override is dead and ultimately a footnote. The IDW version is what's going to be the primary version going forward and will be what the intro will be based on. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:30, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::Agreed. BWU Override is dead and ultimately a footnote. The IDW version is what's going to be the primary version going forward and will be what the intro will be based on. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:30, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (RID)\|Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::...Yes, of course there is. And I was just linking someone to it before I said this... Sorry. Brain lapse. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 17:27, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::::...Yes, of course there is. And I was just linking someone to it before I said this... Sorry. Brain lapse. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 17:27, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::...Yes, of course there is. And I was just linking someone to it before I said this... Sorry. Brain lapse. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 17:27, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	::::Agreed. BWU Override is dead and ultimately a footnote. The IDW version is what's going to be the primary version going forward and will be what the intro will be based on. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:30, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::Agreed. BWU Override is dead and ultimately a footnote. The IDW version is what's going to be the primary version going forward and will be what the intro will be based on. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:30, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

Rosicrucian at 19:54, 10 June 2015

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	:::I get your point, but the thing about BWU is that all the Builders don't have their "normal" personalities, and are assholes. I'd argue that by the nature of the Uprising universe we should go with the IDW portrayal... once we actually know what that is. I know that seems kind of arbitrary, but... yeah. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:06, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::I get your point, but the thing about BWU is that all the Builders don't have their "normal" personalities, and are assholes. I'd argue that by the nature of the Uprising universe we should go with the IDW portrayal... once we actually know what that is. I know that seems kind of arbitrary, but... yeah. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:06, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::Agreed. BWU Override is dead and ultimately a footnote. The IDW version is what's going to be the primary version going forward and will be what the intro will be based on. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:30, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::Agreed. BWU Override is dead and ultimately a footnote. The IDW version is what's going to be the primary version going forward and will be what the intro will be based on. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:30, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	::There's not enough commonality between them to build a coherent bio in the lead paragraph. The other Builders are almost all established G1 characters and thus we go with the most common portrayal for their bio paragraphs. In this case we have two wildly different, indeed inherently contradictory descriptions and nothing in between. There's nothing to average out here, and I feel that attempts to do so would only confuse readers. I know it's wiki policy to put them together, but we make exceptions to wiki policy when reader clarity would otherwise suffer.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:36, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::There's not enough commonality between them to build a coherent bio in the lead paragraph. The other Builders are almost all established G1 characters and thus we go with the most common portrayal for their bio paragraphs. In this case we have two wildly different, indeed inherently contradictory descriptions and nothing in between. There's nothing to average out here, and I feel that attempts to do so would only confuse readers. I know it's wiki policy to put them together, but we make exceptions to wiki policy when reader clarity would otherwise suffer.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:36, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::I get your point, but the thing about BWU is that all the Builders don't have their "normal" personalities, and are assholes. I'd argue that by the nature of the Uprising universe we should go with the IDW portrayal... once we actually know what that is. I know that seems kind of arbitrary, but... yeah. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:06, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::I get your point, but the thing about BWU is that all the Builders don't have their "normal" personalities, and are assholes. I'd argue that by the nature of the Uprising universe we should go with the IDW portrayal... once we actually know what that is. I know that seems kind of arbitrary, but... yeah. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:06, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::Agreed. BWU Override is dead and ultimately a footnote. The IDW version is what's going to be the primary version going forward and will be what the intro will be based on. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:30, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::Agreed. BWU Override is dead and ultimately a footnote. The IDW version is what's going to be the primary version going forward and will be what the intro will be based on. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:30, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (RID)\|Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::...Yes, of course there is. And I was just linking someone to it before I said this... Sorry. Brain lapse. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 17:27, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::::...Yes, of course there is. And I was just linking someone to it before I said this... Sorry. Brain lapse. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 17:27, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::...Yes, of course there is. And I was just linking someone to it before I said this... Sorry. Brain lapse. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 17:27, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::[[Goldbug (IDW)]] seems like the relevant example here.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:03, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::Sure, but there already is an [[Override (G1)]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

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	:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		:::::Then I take issue with disambiguating this character as a Beast Wars character if that's the approach we'll be taking. Granted, I don't think disambiguating it "Override (IDW)" works either with them merged. I know our method is franchise of origin, but that implies that Uprising is the franchise of origin for the character, and that the IDW version draws from that. It still feels like a bad fit and following policy for policy's sake.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:54, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
	::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)		::::::We already have [[Sky-Byte (G2)]] that does the same thing and I'm sure there's other examples. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::I agree, but... I feel like any disambiguation of characters by debut sub-franchise rather than continuity where not necessary is bad (see: half of the Aligned pages being "WFC" and half being "Prime"). If we change that practice for this article there'd be no reason to not change it for all the others (...which I wouldn't be opposed to, but it'd be a pretty big undertaking, and the rest of the editors have made their position here clear). Also, if we did split it, wouldn't it be Override (G1)? I'm pretty sure that in the past IDW has counted as G1 for disambig purposes. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:52, 10 June 2015 (EDT)