Talk:Quickstrike (BM) - Revision history

Fanofcoolstuff27 at 03:24, 19 February 2022

2022-02-19T03:24:52Z

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	Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?		Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike? {{unsigned\|Dingdongdude}}
	: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12, 3 March 2021 (EST)		: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12, 3 March 2021 (EST)

	:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)		:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Cyberlink420: There is little value responding to a year-old discussion, let alone saying we should leave the page as is when we've already been doing so for the last year.

2022-02-19T01:52:50Z

There is little value responding to a year-old discussion, let alone saying we should leave the page as is when we've already been doing so for the last year.

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	~~== What's in a name (reuse)? Or, a deeper look at a seemingly simple question.==~~		Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?
	~~So, last year, some anon asked: ''~~Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?~~'' Transformers lore has more than a few cases of characters who sometimes become other characters~~ (~~Prowl II~~, ~~Cyclonus and his Armada, etc.~~) ~~so let's review the case....~~		: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12, 3 March 2021 (EST)

	~~On the one hand, you've got your toy card bio for BMach~~ Quickstrike. It says that he'll only work with Blackarachnia, though "there's no love lost between them". Which could be inferred as a reference to the tumultuous relationship that Blackarachnia had with BW Fuzor Quickstrike.		:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)

	~~On the other hand, you've got the Mainframe cartoon continuity itself, in which BW Fuzor Quickstrike was blown apart pretty definitively~~ in ~~"[[Nemesis Part 2]]" and BMach Quickstrike never appeared at all.~~

	~~(And on the gripping hand, you've got [[Primax_208.06_Zeta\|~~the ~~so-called "Waspscream" continuity's version of Beast Machines]], where Inferno lived, Scorponok became 2003 Universe Tankor, Silverbolt became Jetstorm then was reverted then died screaming, etc. etc~~. It ~~seems almost certain that one would have become the other easily enough there.)~~

	Sticking to the two main iterations here though, Alpha and Beta, so to speak: We have the toy bio, which only hints. And we have the show. And granted that the Beast Machines cartoon had an Allspark Portal ''right there as a core driver of plots'', actually claiming that BW-Show-Quickstrike got his spark yanked out of the hereafter to become BMach-Toy-Quickstrike -- well, much as ''I'' may believe it to be so, one would be engaging in a fair bit of fanon-welding to assert that as fact. Which is not what this wiki is about.

	TL,DR for the newer folk: Is BW Quickstrike the same character as BMach Quickstrike? Maybe, if you want them to be, but TFWiki is best served by keeping them on seperate pages, pending some more definitive story reveal. --[[User:~~Banpei the Mini-Con~~\|~~Banpei the Mini-Con~~]] ([[User talk:~~Banpei the Mini-Con~~\|talk]]) 20:43, ~~4 February 2022~~ (EST)

Banpei the Mini-Con: Restored (and partially depersonalized) discussion, removed original question as it is in the larger thread.

2022-02-19T00:55:17Z

Restored (and partially depersonalized) discussion, removed original question as it is in the larger thread.

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	~~{{delete\|Inane~~ question}}		== What's in a name (reuse)? Or, a deeper look at a seemingly simple question.==
	Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?		So, last year, some anon asked: ''Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?'' Transformers lore has more than a few cases of characters who sometimes become other characters (Prowl II, Cyclonus and his Armada, etc.) so let's review the case....
	~~: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]]~~ (~~[[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12~~, ~~3 March 2021 (EST~~)

	~~:Bw~~ Quickstrike ~~literally died~~ in the ~~finale~~. It ~~aint him~~. [[User:~~McBaggins~~\|~~McBaggins~~]] ([[User talk:~~McBaggins~~\|talk]]) 12:05, ~~3 March 2021~~ (EST)		On the one hand, you've got your toy card bio for BMach Quickstrike. It says that he'll only work with Blackarachnia, though "there's no love lost between them". Which could be inferred as a reference to the tumultuous relationship that Blackarachnia had with BW Fuzor Quickstrike.

			On the other hand, you've got the Mainframe cartoon continuity itself, in which BW Fuzor Quickstrike was blown apart pretty definitively in "[[Nemesis Part 2]]" and BMach Quickstrike never appeared at all.

			(And on the gripping hand, you've got [[Primax_208.06_Zeta\|the so-called "Waspscream" continuity's version of Beast Machines]], where Inferno lived, Scorponok became 2003 Universe Tankor, Silverbolt became Jetstorm then was reverted then died screaming, etc. etc. It seems almost certain that one would have become the other easily enough there.)

			Sticking to the two main iterations here though, Alpha and Beta, so to speak: We have the toy bio, which only hints. And we have the show. And granted that the Beast Machines cartoon had an Allspark Portal ''right there as a core driver of plots'', actually claiming that BW-Show-Quickstrike got his spark yanked out of the hereafter to become BMach-Toy-Quickstrike -- well, much as ''I'' may believe it to be so, one would be engaging in a fair bit of fanon-welding to assert that as fact. Which is not what this wiki is about.

			TL,DR for the newer folk: Is BW Quickstrike the same character as BMach Quickstrike? Maybe, if you want them to be, but TFWiki is best served by keeping them on seperate pages, pending some more definitive story reveal. --[[User:Banpei the Mini-Con\|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con\|talk]]) 20:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)

Saix: This is not a chatroom

2022-02-15T17:23:06Z

This is not a chatroom

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	:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)		:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)


	~~== What's in a name (reuse)? Or, a deeper look at a seemingly simple question.==~~
	The last time I put my thoughts down on the question once posed above, they were reverted rather quickly. Rather than be accused of "thread necromancy", I thought I would put my thoughts down as my own separate section of the talk page.

	~~So, last year, some anon asked: ''Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?''~~

	~~That got me pondering.~~

	On the one hand, you've got your toy card bio for BMach Quickstrike. It says that he'll only work with Blackarachnia, though "there's no love lost between them". Which could be inferred as a reference to the tumultuous relationship that Blackarachnia had with BW Fuzor Quickstrike.

	On the other hand, you've got the Mainframe cartoon continuity itself, in which BW Fuzor Quickstrike was blown apart pretty definitively in "[[Nemesis Part 2]]" and BMach Quickstrike never appeared at all.

	(And on the gripping hand, you've got [[Primax_208.06_Zeta\|the so-called "Waspscream" continuity's version of Beast Machines]], where Inferno lived, Scorponok became 2003 Universe Tankor, Silverbolt became Jetstorm then was reverted then died screaming, etc. etc. It seems almost certain that one would have become the other easily enough there.)

	Sticking to the two main iterations here though, Alpha and Beta, so to speak: We have the toy bio, which only hints. And we have the show. And granted that the Beast Machines cartoon had an Allspark Portal ''right there as a core driver of plots'', actually claiming that BW-Show-Quickstrike got his spark yanked out of the hereafter to become BMach-Toy-Quickstrike -- well, much as I may believe it to be so, I must admit that one would be engaging in a fair bit of fanon-welding to assert that as fact. Which is not what this wiki is about.

	TL,DR: Is BW Quickstrike the same character as BMach Quickstrike? Maybe, if you want them to be, but TFWiki is best served by keeping them on seperate pages, pending some more definitive story reveal. --[[User:Banpei the Mini-Con\|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con\|talk]]) 20:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)

Banpei the Mini-Con: /* What's in a name (reuse)? Or, a deeper look at a seemingly simple question. */

2022-02-15T17:12:27Z

What's in a name (reuse)? Or, a deeper look at a seemingly simple question.

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	On the one hand, you've got your toy card bio for BMach Quickstrike. It says that he'll only work with Blackarachnia, though "there's no love lost between them". Which could be inferred as a reference to the tumultuous relationship that Blackarachnia had with BW Fuzor Quickstrike.		On the one hand, you've got your toy card bio for BMach Quickstrike. It says that he'll only work with Blackarachnia, though "there's no love lost between them". Which could be inferred as a reference to the tumultuous relationship that Blackarachnia had with BW Fuzor Quickstrike.

	On the other hand, you've got the Mainframe cartoon continuity itself, in which BW Fuzor ~~Quickstike~~ was blown apart pretty definitively in "[[Nemesis Part 2]]" and BMach Quickstrike never appeared at all.		On the other hand, you've got the Mainframe cartoon continuity itself, in which BW Fuzor Quickstrike was blown apart pretty definitively in "[[Nemesis Part 2]]" and BMach Quickstrike never appeared at all.

	(And on the gripping hand, you've got [[Primax_208.06_Zeta\|the so-called "Waspscream" continuity's version of Beast Machines]], where Inferno lived, Scorponok became 2003 Universe Tankor, Silverbolt became Jetstorm then was reverted then died screaming, etc. etc. It seems almost certain that one would have become the other easily enough there.)		(And on the gripping hand, you've got [[Primax_208.06_Zeta\|the so-called "Waspscream" continuity's version of Beast Machines]], where Inferno lived, Scorponok became 2003 Universe Tankor, Silverbolt became Jetstorm then was reverted then died screaming, etc. etc. It seems almost certain that one would have become the other easily enough there.)

Banpei the Mini-Con: New section on the trickiness of name reuses and cross-continuity references

2022-02-05T01:43:12Z

New section on the trickiness of name reuses and cross-continuity references

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	:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)		:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)


			== What's in a name (reuse)? Or, a deeper look at a seemingly simple question.==
			The last time I put my thoughts down on the question once posed above, they were reverted rather quickly. Rather than be accused of "thread necromancy", I thought I would put my thoughts down as my own separate section of the talk page.

			So, last year, some anon asked: ''Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?''

			That got me pondering.

			On the one hand, you've got your toy card bio for BMach Quickstrike. It says that he'll only work with Blackarachnia, though "there's no love lost between them". Which could be inferred as a reference to the tumultuous relationship that Blackarachnia had with BW Fuzor Quickstrike.

			On the other hand, you've got the Mainframe cartoon continuity itself, in which BW Fuzor Quickstike was blown apart pretty definitively in "[[Nemesis Part 2]]" and BMach Quickstrike never appeared at all.

			(And on the gripping hand, you've got [[Primax_208.06_Zeta\|the so-called "Waspscream" continuity's version of Beast Machines]], where Inferno lived, Scorponok became 2003 Universe Tankor, Silverbolt became Jetstorm then was reverted then died screaming, etc. etc. It seems almost certain that one would have become the other easily enough there.)

			Sticking to the two main iterations here though, Alpha and Beta, so to speak: We have the toy bio, which only hints. And we have the show. And granted that the Beast Machines cartoon had an Allspark Portal ''right there as a core driver of plots'', actually claiming that BW-Show-Quickstrike got his spark yanked out of the hereafter to become BMach-Toy-Quickstrike -- well, much as I may believe it to be so, I must admit that one would be engaging in a fair bit of fanon-welding to assert that as fact. Which is not what this wiki is about.

			TL,DR: Is BW Quickstrike the same character as BMach Quickstrike? Maybe, if you want them to be, but TFWiki is best served by keeping them on seperate pages, pending some more definitive story reveal. --[[User:Banpei the Mini-Con\|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con\|talk]]) 20:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)

Saix: Stop replying to old conver

2022-01-26T23:47:47Z

Stop replying to old conver

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	Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?		Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?
	: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12, 3 March 2021 (EST)		: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12, 3 March 2021 (EST)

	:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)		:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)

	:I...''personally'' disagree, but given the valid point of BW Quickstrike's demise and the fact that we only have a Beast Machines toy bio with vague hints to go with and no actual show character, you'd have to fanon-weld an explanation to make any sense how the BW character becomes the BMach character. Which falls outside our purview, so best to keep them separate. [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con\|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con\|talk]]) 16:29, 26 January 2022 (EST)

Banpei the Mini-Con at 21:29, 26 January 2022

2022-01-26T21:29:28Z

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	:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)		:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)

			:I...''personally'' disagree, but given the valid point of BW Quickstrike's demise and the fact that we only have a Beast Machines toy bio with vague hints to go with and no actual show character, you'd have to fanon-weld an explanation to make any sense how the BW character becomes the BMach character. Which falls outside our purview, so best to keep them separate. [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con\|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con\|talk]]) 16:29, 26 January 2022 (EST)

McBaggins at 17:05, 3 March 2021

2021-03-03T17:05:30Z

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	Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?		Are we absolutely sure this isn't Beast Wars Quickstrike?
	: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12, 3 March 2021 (EST)		: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12, 3 March 2021 (EST)

			:Bw Quickstrike literally died in the finale. It aint him. [[User:McBaggins\|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins\|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Escargon at 16:12, 3 March 2021

2021-03-03T16:12:49Z

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			: Yes. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 11:12, 3 March 2021 (EST)