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Broadside: Broadside moved page Talk:Raikle to Talk:Raikuru

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S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 at 02:36, 25 November 2024

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	:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::::Thanks for the correction. I think my main point still remains, though. Those books attempted to replicate Japanese terminology for the JG1 series ("Destron", "Cybertron", "Deszaras", etc.), and "Riker" was part of that like "Violn Jiger", which we disregarded because we found the actual etymology. (Same for "Jaruga", "Trizer", etc.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:12, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::::Thanks for the correction. I think my main point still remains, though. Those books attempted to replicate Japanese terminology for the JG1 series ("Destron", "Cybertron", "Deszaras", etc.), and "Riker" was part of that like "Violn Jiger", which we disregarded because we found the actual etymology. (Same for "Jaruga", "Trizer", etc.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:12, 13 November 2024 (EST)

			Well damn. So ''Beast King GoLion'' Raible wasn't the source of the name? I '''really''' like the page title "Raikle" as an attempt to balance all our problems with this character. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 21:36, 24 November 2024 (EST)

Saix: Saix moved page Talk:Riker to Talk:Raikle: No objections

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Saix moved page Talk:Riker to Talk:Raikle: No objections

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Saix: /* "Raicle"/"Raikle"? */

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"Raicle"/"Raikle"?

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	::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			:::::Thanks for the correction. I think my main point still remains, though. Those books attempted to replicate Japanese terminology for the JG1 series ("Destron", "Cybertron", "Deszaras", etc.), and "Riker" was part of that like "Violn Jiger", which we disregarded because we found the actual etymology. (Same for "Jaruga", "Trizer", etc.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:12, 13 November 2024 (EST)

Sabrblade: /* "Raicle"/"Raikle"? */

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"Raicle"/"Raikle"?

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	::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)

TheLastGherkin at 18:01, 13 November 2024

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	:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)

Sabrblade: /* "Raicle"/"Raikle"? */

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	::"A mistake" seems like a mischaracterisation. If Sorenson was aware of how the katakana for "Raikuru" differs from that of William T "Raikā", the alteration of name in his published sources is more of a deliberate localisation, surely? —[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 11:24, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::"A mistake" seems like a mischaracterisation. If Sorenson was aware of how the katakana for "Raikuru" differs from that of William T "Raikā", the alteration of name in his published sources is more of a deliberate localisation, surely? —[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 11:24, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)

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	:::::On the other hand, I notice how visually similar in design that ブ and ク look to each other (which makes me think I might actually be onto something with this theory). If we wanted to try and reflect that visual similarity in the English-lettered spelling, the shapes of "b" and "k" do look more similar to each other than "b" and "c" do. ;-) --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:38, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::::On the other hand, I notice how visually similar in design that ブ and ク look to each other (which makes me think I might actually be onto something with this theory). If we wanted to try and reflect that visual similarity in the English-lettered spelling, the shapes of "b" and "k" do look more similar to each other than "b" and "c" do. ;-) --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:38, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	::::::I personally think b and c are more analogous, since both have that semicircle, but I'm not that fussy about the spelling. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:42, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::::I personally think b and c are more analogous, since both have that semicircle, but I'm not that fussy about the spelling. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:42, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			:::::::"B" and "K" also look closer when uppercased, both having a square-ish silhouette, vs. "B" and "C" being squared vs. round, hehe. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:50, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	::"A mistake" seems like a mischaracterisation. If Sorenson was aware of how the katakana for "Raikuru" differs from that of William T "Raikā", the alteration of name in his published sources is more of a deliberate localisation, surely? —[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 11:24, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::"A mistake" seems like a mischaracterisation. If Sorenson was aware of how the katakana for "Raikuru" differs from that of William T "Raikā", the alteration of name in his published sources is more of a deliberate localisation, surely? —[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 11:24, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)

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	:::Seems like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, but whatevs. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 00:54, 2 July 2009 (EDT)		:::Seems like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, but whatevs. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 00:54, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

	=="Raicle"?==		=="Raicle"/"Raikle"?==
	Now there is a move proposal to "Raicle" on the basis of being an homage to someone/something called "Raible". What is "Raible"? I am unfamiliar. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (EST)		Now there is a move proposal to "Raicle" on the basis of being an homage to someone/something called "Raible". What is "Raible"? I am unfamiliar. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (EST)
	:It's a theory of mine that I brought up on the Discord server (not to incite a move proposal, mind you, just something think about). The theory goes as such: This character's name is "Raikuru" (ライクル), he is depicted as a wise individual, and was designed to be mostly brown with a big mustache. Well, back in 1981, eight years before Toei produced Victory, they produced another giant robot anime that featured a wise individual who [https://64.media.tumblr.com/6bd81d143f43e7ea9a4cb0d36e4a0143/tumblr_inline_pow9vuAxsh1tjaom8_400.jpg dressed in mostly brown] [https://64.media.tumblr.com/4b41d813dccc3c672f95b4c029cbd824/tumblr_inline_pow9v5Bjhw1tjaom8_400.jpg with a big mustache], and his name was "Raible" (ライブル ''Raiburu''), a very similar-sounding name to ライクル (''Raikuru''), simply swapping the ブ (''bu'') for ク (''ku''). Said anime was Beast King GoLion, better known in the west as Voltron: Defender of the Universe, in which Raible was renamed "Coran" (and voiced by Peter Cullen himself, but I digress). It's entirely possible that Raikuru was an homage to Raible, with one character in his name swapped out with a similar-sounding one to make his name sound more robot-y. Sure, without proof it's a stretch, but I did say it was merely theoretical. Saix, however, felt this theory of mine had some merit to it, as Japanese media has a tendency to make seemingly random references to other Japanese media (like how, for example, the Gorenger-original term "byūto" has taken on a life on its own in many Japanese media as a term to refer to whip-based techniques). --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:46, 12 November 2024 (EST)		:It's a theory of mine that I brought up on the Discord server (not to incite a move proposal, mind you, just something think about). The theory goes as such: This character's name is "Raikuru" (ライクル), he is depicted as a wise individual, and was designed to be mostly brown with a big mustache. Well, back in 1981, eight years before Toei produced Victory, they produced another giant robot anime that featured a wise individual who [https://64.media.tumblr.com/6bd81d143f43e7ea9a4cb0d36e4a0143/tumblr_inline_pow9vuAxsh1tjaom8_400.jpg dressed in mostly brown] [https://64.media.tumblr.com/4b41d813dccc3c672f95b4c029cbd824/tumblr_inline_pow9v5Bjhw1tjaom8_400.jpg with a big mustache], and his name was "Raible" (ライブル ''Raiburu''), a very similar-sounding name to ライクル (''Raikuru''), simply swapping the ブ (''bu'') for ク (''ku''). Said anime was Beast King GoLion, better known in the west as Voltron: Defender of the Universe, in which Raible was renamed "Coran" (and voiced by Peter Cullen himself, but I digress). It's entirely possible that Raikuru was an homage to Raible, with one character in his name swapped out with a similar-sounding one to make his name sound more robot-y. Sure, without proof it's a stretch, but I did say it was merely theoretical. Saix, however, felt this theory of mine had some merit to it, as Japanese media has a tendency to make seemingly random references to other Japanese media (like how, for example, the Gorenger-original term "byūto" has taken on a life on its own in many Japanese media as a term to refer to whip-based techniques). --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:46, 12 November 2024 (EST)

Saix: /* "Raicle"? */

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"Raicle"?

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	::::People still say "Seacon" wrong. It's not really something we can control. 10:51, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::People still say "Seacon" wrong. It's not really something we can control. 10:51, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::::On the other hand, I notice how visually similar in design that ブ and ク look to each other (which makes me think I might actually be onto something with this theory). If we wanted to try and reflect that visual similarity in the English-lettered spelling, the shapes of "b" and "k" do look more similar to each other than "b" and "c" do. ;-) --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:38, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::::On the other hand, I notice how visually similar in design that ブ and ク look to each other (which makes me think I might actually be onto something with this theory). If we wanted to try and reflect that visual similarity in the English-lettered spelling, the shapes of "b" and "k" do look more similar to each other than "b" and "c" do. ;-) --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:38, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			::::::I personally think b and c are more analogous, since both have that semicircle, but I'm not that fussy about the spelling. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:42, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	::"A mistake" seems like a mischaracterisation. If Sorenson was aware of how the katakana for "Raikuru" differs from that of William T "Raikā", the alteration of name in his published sources is more of a deliberate localisation, surely? —[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 11:24, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::"A mistake" seems like a mischaracterisation. If Sorenson was aware of how the katakana for "Raikuru" differs from that of William T "Raikā", the alteration of name in his published sources is more of a deliberate localisation, surely? —[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 11:24, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)

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	:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::::Thanks for the correction. I think my main point still remains, though. Those books attempted to replicate Japanese terminology for the JG1 series ("Destron", "Cybertron", "Deszaras", etc.), and "Riker" was part of that like "Violn Jiger", which we disregarded because we found the actual etymology. (Same for "Jaruga", "Trizer", etc.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:12, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::::Thanks for the correction. I think my main point still remains, though. Those books attempted to replicate Japanese terminology for the JG1 series ("Destron", "Cybertron", "Deszaras", etc.), and "Riker" was part of that like "Violn Jiger", which we disregarded because we found the actual etymology. (Same for "Jaruga", "Trizer", etc.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:12, 13 November 2024 (EST)

			Well damn. So ''Beast King GoLion'' Raible wasn't the source of the name? I '''really''' like the page title "Raikle" as an attempt to balance all our problems with this character. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 21:36, 24 November 2024 (EST)

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	::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			:::::Thanks for the correction. I think my main point still remains, though. Those books attempted to replicate Japanese terminology for the JG1 series ("Destron", "Cybertron", "Deszaras", etc.), and "Riker" was part of that like "Violn Jiger", which we disregarded because we found the actual etymology. (Same for "Jaruga", "Trizer", etc.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:12, 13 November 2024 (EST)

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	::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			:::::Mhmm, I looked mainly at the months and days and misread/overlooked the years. That's on me. But the name was still just a guess. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2024 (EST)

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	:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			::::It's the other way around – ''The Ark II'' was published in 2008 and called him "Governor Riker", and Sorenson moved the page after explaining his reasoning in 2009. — [[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (EST)

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	::"A mistake" seems like a mischaracterisation. If Sorenson was aware of how the katakana for "Raikuru" differs from that of William T "Raikā", the alteration of name in his published sources is more of a deliberate localisation, surely? —[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 11:24, 13 November 2024 (EST)		::"A mistake" seems like a mischaracterisation. If Sorenson was aware of how the katakana for "Raikuru" differs from that of William T "Raikā", the alteration of name in his published sources is more of a deliberate localisation, surely? —[[User:TheLastGherkin\|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin\|talk]]) 11:24, 13 November 2024 (EST)
	:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)		:::I mean, it was still ultimately "made up" here first in an unofficial context by Jim who then used it for his works. And it's still based on "Raikuru" either way and the unwillingness to just use the straight Romanization till better etymology was found. (Not a slight against Sorenson; he can do whatever he wants for his work, but I think a wiki has different considerations when presenting a character.) And, at the end of the day, if it makes later official sources use a more accurate name, the better. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (EST)
			::::From the timing of when this article was moved to when the Ark II book was released, it seems Jim was already set on using the name "Riker" in the book before the page was moved. But the "Riker" name was always based on guesswork, as it seems no one at the time seemed to really know ''what'' "Raikuru" meant or was based on, and just assumed that it "could be" the Star Trek character. But as I explained above, the time between TNG season 2 being dubbed into Japanese and the production time of Raikuru's first appearance in Victory was too tight a window for a connection between the two to have been plausible. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 12:54, 13 November 2024 (EST)