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	:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)		:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)
	The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? As well as except for Megatron again in Energon, none of those new powered up color schemes are included. It just seems inconsistent to me[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)		The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? As well as except for Megatron again in Energon, none of those new powered up color schemes are included. It just seems inconsistent to me[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)
			:In that case, maybe it should be removed. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 16:56, 6 March 2021 (EST)

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	So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)		So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)
	:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)		:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)
	The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? [[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)		The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? As well as except for Megatron again in Energon, none of those new powered up color schemes are included. It just seems inconsistent to me[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)

TransFormersfan1: /* Armada */

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	So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)		So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)
	:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)		:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)
			The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? [[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)

Fanofcoolstuff27: /* Armada */

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	So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)		So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)
			:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)

TransFormersfan1: /* Armada */

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	So, should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]]. [[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)		So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)

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	So, should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].		So, should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]]. [[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)

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	:But in that very same movie, Galvatron says "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, now you. A pity you Autobots die so easy or I might have a sense of satisfaction, now" which shows that Galvatron considers Megatron's victory over Prime as his own. I blame inconsistent writing. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 00:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		:But in that very same movie, Galvatron says "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, now you. A pity you Autobots die so easy or I might have a sense of satisfaction, now" which shows that Galvatron considers Megatron's victory over Prime as his own. I blame inconsistent writing. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 00:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	::It sounds to me like Galvatron considers Megatron a separate person- but is aware he used to be him/retains the memories. (For instance, in RoOP he remembers Prime.) Maybe like a butterfly regards the caterpillar it came from? "I CAME from that yes, but it's not ME." (There has to be a better example of this than that one...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		::It sounds to me like Galvatron considers Megatron a separate person- but is aware he used to be him/retains the memories. (For instance, in RoOP he remembers Prime.) Maybe like a butterfly regards the caterpillar it came from? "I CAME from that yes, but it's not ME." (There has to be a better example of this than that one...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

			== Armada ==

			So, should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].

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I'm not sure if G1 Megatron's transformation into Galvatron should be considered reformatting. The concept of reformatting doesn't (to my knowledge) involve a change in the subjects personality as it did in this case. --[[User:Cyberdine|Cyberdine]]

:I'm not sure I see the point of your update or question. The definition that was there already includes the information you put into a new first paragraph, and also explicitly states that the Galvatron thing is an example of informal usage of the term which isn't strictly appropriate but which, nevertheless, occurs. Further, I can't recall any instances of a non-Transformer life form being reformatted. Also, where is this "mechaforming" thing from? I'm pretty sure in Beast Machines it was explicitly still called reformatting. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

::I'll need to re-read the Dreamwave comics to be more specific but as I recall Starscream attempted to reconstruct Cybertron into a war world, a process which was dubbed mechaforming. On the reformatting, if I understand the Cybertron series correctly a Transformer takes a scan of, for example, a vehicle and reformats themselves changing not only their alt-mode appearance but their robot mode appearance as well. The key difference is that their personality is the same every time they reformat. Megatron's tranformation into Galvatron was done by Unicron, giving him not only a new appearance but a new personality. Therefore the change wasn't a reformatting (at least by the definition of the Cybertron series and Dreamwave comics). I think using Megatron's transformation into Galvatron as an example of reformating would be misleading. --[[User:Cyberdine|Cyberdine]] 23:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

:::I wouldn't say that Megatron's personality was actually changed by Unicron when he became Galvatron - in the cartoon, at least, Galvatron didn't go Screaming Yellow Zonkers until that lava-bath on planet Thrull fried his circuits. Until then, he was essentially Megatron Part Deux. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Possibly, however Galvatron refers to Megatron in the 3rd person. "I Galvatron will crush you just as Megatron crushed Prime." If they were one and the same then why not just say something like "I'll crush you just as I did Prime."? In reading the comics, where Galvatron travels back in time, Megatron doesn't look at him as his future-self but instead as a threat to his own power. I think the key in defining reformating is that after a reformat they are still the same individual. Much like the numerous reformats Megatron has done in the Cybertron series. His body will change but his personality is always the same.--[[User:Cyberdine|Cyberdine]] 00:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

:::Starscream's 'mechaforming' buit is probably a reference to Teraforming. TF has traditionally used 'Cyberforming' (for reconditioning an organic world into somethign liek cybertron) but I think mechaforming int his instance is the 'teraforming' of an already cybertronic world into... something else? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

:::I see now where you got the wording for the definition that you used -- the MTMTE glossary. However, that definition says nother either way about a character's mind, so I am not sure why you are fixating on that aspect. Regardless, I feel like you aren't reading my statements carefully -- going by the ''Beast Machines'' meaning for the term, G1 Megatron/Galvatron does not fit at all. I totally agree with you on that. Despite this, it is (in my experience at least) ''extremely common'' for fans to refer to ''any'' upgrade of any sort as a reformat. Personally I dislike that. But regardless, it is what people do, and that is why it is mentioned in the article. The article explicitly states that this does not fit the canonical definition. HOWEVER... now that you've pointed out the Dreamwave version... that one is so vague that I would say it validates the fan usage of the word to apply to any and all upgrades. By the DW definition, G1 Megatron/Galvatron most definitely fits as his body was an existing system that was upgraded/modified. Whether his brain was changed is [[Galvatron (G1)#Controversy over identity|eternally debated with no resolution]], but also irrelevant -- by either definition -- to the question of whether to call it a reformat. At worst, it was a reformat followed by brainwashing.

::::I agree Galvatron's identity will be forever debated without resolution. Where I'm going with this is that we are applying terms introduce in later TF reincarniations to the original G1 series when we shouldn't. It would be better if we define the term based on the specific TF reincarination it was used in. For example, Dreamwave's definition of reformating is broad whereas the Cybertron series is very specific. The term didn't exist in the original G1 series so it shouldn't be used. In otherwords, as far as the original G1 series is concerned, Megatron wasn't reformated into Galvatron so much as he became Galvatron. From a novice standpoint it would be better to use examples of reformating from the Cybertron series instead of the original G1 series.--[[User:Cyberdine|Cyberdine]] 05:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

:::As for the planet thing: Again, in ''Beast Machines'' it was explicitly referred to as a reformat. I don't think there's really any room for debate there. I don't remember the Starscream incident you are referring to, but if you can tell me where to find it, I will read it again. My guess is that it involves a "slow", traditional rebuild rather than the almost "magical" glowy style upgrade that BM characters, UT characters, and the TF:TM guys all got. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

::::It has been awhile so I'll need to double check it. I only remember that Starscream initated it and Iacon was completely destroyed before it was stopped (by Ironhide?). I remember it being called a Mechaforming program. Its going to take me some time to dig through and find it but as soon as I do I'll refer you to it.--[[User:Cyberdine|Cyberdine]] 05:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

:But in that very same movie, Galvatron says "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, now you. A pity you Autobots die so easy or I might have a sense of satisfaction, now" which shows that Galvatron considers Megatron's victory over Prime as his own. I blame inconsistent writing. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
::It sounds to me like Galvatron considers Megatron a separate person- but is aware he used to be him/retains the memories. (For instance, in RoOP he remembers Prime.) Maybe like a butterfly regards the caterpillar it came from? "I CAME from that yes, but it's not ME." (There has to be a better example of this than that one...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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	:I'm not sure I see the point of your update or question. The definition that was there already includes the information you put into a new first paragraph, and also explicitly states that the Galvatron thing is an example of informal usage of the term which isn't strictly appropriate but which, nevertheless, occurs. Further, I can't recall any instances of a non-Transformer life form being reformatted. Also, where is this "mechaforming" thing from? I'm pretty sure in Beast Machines it was explicitly still called reformatting. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 18:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)		:I'm not sure I see the point of your update or question. The definition that was there already includes the information you put into a new first paragraph, and also explicitly states that the Galvatron thing is an example of informal usage of the term which isn't strictly appropriate but which, nevertheless, occurs. Further, I can't recall any instances of a non-Transformer life form being reformatted. Also, where is this "mechaforming" thing from? I'm pretty sure in Beast Machines it was explicitly still called reformatting. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 18:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

	:I'll need to re-read the Dreamwave comics to be more specific but as I recall Starscream attempted to reconstruct Cybertron into a war world, a process which was dubbed mechaforming. On the reformatting, if I understand the Cybertron series correctly a Transformer takes a scan of, for example, a vehicle and reformats themselves changing not only their alt-mode appearance but their robot mode appearance as well. The key difference is that their personality is the same every time they reformat. Megatron's tranformation into Galvatron was done by Unicron, giving him not only a new appearance but a new personality. Therefore the change wasn't a reformatting (at least by the definition of the Cybertron series and Dreamwave comics). I think using Megatron's transformation into Galvatron as an example of reformating would be misleading. --[[User:Cyberdine\|Cyberdine]] 23:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)		::I'll need to re-read the Dreamwave comics to be more specific but as I recall Starscream attempted to reconstruct Cybertron into a war world, a process which was dubbed mechaforming. On the reformatting, if I understand the Cybertron series correctly a Transformer takes a scan of, for example, a vehicle and reformats themselves changing not only their alt-mode appearance but their robot mode appearance as well. The key difference is that their personality is the same every time they reformat. Megatron's tranformation into Galvatron was done by Unicron, giving him not only a new appearance but a new personality. Therefore the change wasn't a reformatting (at least by the definition of the Cybertron series and Dreamwave comics). I think using Megatron's transformation into Galvatron as an example of reformating would be misleading. --[[User:Cyberdine\|Cyberdine]] 23:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

	::I wouldn't say that Megatron's personality was actually changed by Unicron when he became Galvatron - in the cartoon, at least, Galvatron didn't go Screaming Yellow Zonkers until that lava-bath on planet Thrull fried his circuits. Until then, he was essentially Megatron Part Deux. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] 23:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)		:::I wouldn't say that Megatron's personality was actually changed by Unicron when he became Galvatron - in the cartoon, at least, Galvatron didn't go Screaming Yellow Zonkers until that lava-bath on planet Thrull fried his circuits. Until then, he was essentially Megatron Part Deux. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] 23:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

	::Possibly, however Galvatron refers to Megatron in the 3rd person. "I Galvatron will crush you just as Megatron crushed Prime." If they were one and the same then why not just say something like "I'll crush you just as I did Prime."? In reading the comics, where Galvatron travels back in time, Megatron doesn't look at him as his future-self but instead as a threat to his own power. I think the key in defining reformating is that after a reformat they are still the same individual. Much like the numerous reformats Megatron has done in the Cybertron series. His body will change but his personality is always the same.--[[User:Cyberdine\|Cyberdine]] 00:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		::::Possibly, however Galvatron refers to Megatron in the 3rd person. "I Galvatron will crush you just as Megatron crushed Prime." If they were one and the same then why not just say something like "I'll crush you just as I did Prime."? In reading the comics, where Galvatron travels back in time, Megatron doesn't look at him as his future-self but instead as a threat to his own power. I think the key in defining reformating is that after a reformat they are still the same individual. Much like the numerous reformats Megatron has done in the Cybertron series. His body will change but his personality is always the same.--[[User:Cyberdine\|Cyberdine]] 00:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	::Starscream's 'mechaforming' buit is probably a reference to Teraforming. TF has traditionally used 'Cyberforming' (for reconditioning an organic world into somethign liek cybertron) but I think mechaforming int his instance is the 'teraforming' of an already cybertronic world into... something else? -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	But in that very same movie, Galvatron says "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, now you. A pity you Autobots die so easy or I might have a sense of satisfaction, now" which shows that Galvatron considers Megatron's victory over Prime as his own. I blame inconsistent writing. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 00:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		:::Starscream's 'mechaforming' buit is probably a reference to Teraforming. TF has traditionally used 'Cyberforming' (for reconditioning an organic world into somethign liek cybertron) but I think mechaforming int his instance is the 'teraforming' of an already cybertronic world into... something else? -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	:It sounds to me like Galvatron considers Megatron a separate person- but is aware he used to be him/retains the memories. (For instance, in RoOP he remembers Prime.) Maybe like a butterfly regards the caterpillar it came from? "I CAME from that yes, but it's not ME." (There has to be a better example of this than that one...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>
			:::I see now where you got the wording for the definition that you used -- the MTMTE glossary. However, that definition says nother either way about a character's mind, so I am not sure why you are fixating on that aspect. Regardless, I feel like you aren't reading my statements carefully -- going by the ''Beast Machines'' meaning for the term, G1 Megatron/Galvatron does not fit at all. I totally agree with you on that. Despite this, it is (in my experience at least) ''extremely common'' for fans to refer to ''any'' upgrade of any sort as a reformat. Personally I dislike that. But regardless, it is what people do, and that is why it is mentioned in the article. The article explicitly states that this does not fit the canonical definition. HOWEVER... now that you've pointed out the Dreamwave version... that one is so vague that I would say it validates the fan usage of the word to apply to any and all upgrades. By the DW definition, G1 Megatron/Galvatron most definitely fits as his body was an existing system that was upgraded/modified. Whether his brain was changed is [[Galvatron (G1)#Controversy over identity\|eternally debated with no resolution]], but also irrelevant -- by either definition -- to the question of whether to call it a reformat. At worst, it was a reformat followed by brainwashing.

			:::As for the planet thing: Again, in ''Beast Machines'' it was explicitly referred to as a reformat. I don't think there's really any room for debate there. I don't remember the Starscream incident you are referring to, but if you can tell me where to find it, I will read it again. My guess is that it involves a "slow", traditional rebuild rather than the almost "magical" glowy style upgrade that BM characters, UT characters, and the TF:TM guys all got. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 04:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

			:But in that very same movie, Galvatron says "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, now you. A pity you Autobots die so easy or I might have a sense of satisfaction, now" which shows that Galvatron considers Megatron's victory over Prime as his own. I blame inconsistent writing. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 00:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
			::It sounds to me like Galvatron considers Megatron a separate person- but is aware he used to be him/retains the memories. (For instance, in RoOP he remembers Prime.) Maybe like a butterfly regards the caterpillar it came from? "I CAME from that yes, but it's not ME." (There has to be a better example of this than that one...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	::Possibly, however Galvatron refers to Megatron in the 3rd person. "I Galvatron will crush you just as Megatron crushed Prime." If they were one and the same then why not just say something like "I'll crush you just as I did Prime."? In reading the comics, where Galvatron travels back in time, Megatron doesn't look at him as his future-self but instead as a threat to his own power. I think the key in defining reformating is that after a reformat they are still the same individual. Much like the numerous reformats Megatron has done in the Cybertron series. His body will change but his personality is always the same.--[[User:Cyberdine\|Cyberdine]] 00:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		::Possibly, however Galvatron refers to Megatron in the 3rd person. "I Galvatron will crush you just as Megatron crushed Prime." If they were one and the same then why not just say something like "I'll crush you just as I did Prime."? In reading the comics, where Galvatron travels back in time, Megatron doesn't look at him as his future-self but instead as a threat to his own power. I think the key in defining reformating is that after a reformat they are still the same individual. Much like the numerous reformats Megatron has done in the Cybertron series. His body will change but his personality is always the same.--[[User:Cyberdine\|Cyberdine]] 00:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
			::Starscream's 'mechaforming' buit is probably a reference to Teraforming. TF has traditionally used 'Cyberforming' (for reconditioning an organic world into somethign liek cybertron) but I think mechaforming int his instance is the 'teraforming' of an already cybertronic world into... something else? -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	But in that very same movie, Galvatron says "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, now you. A pity you Autobots die so easy or I might have a sense of satisfaction, now" which shows that Galvatron considers Megatron's victory over Prime as his own. I blame inconsistent writing. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 00:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		But in that very same movie, Galvatron says "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, now you. A pity you Autobots die so easy or I might have a sense of satisfaction, now" which shows that Galvatron considers Megatron's victory over Prime as his own. I blame inconsistent writing. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 00:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
			:It sounds to me like Galvatron considers Megatron a separate person- but is aware he used to be him/retains the memories. (For instance, in RoOP he remembers Prime.) Maybe like a butterfly regards the caterpillar it came from? "I CAME from that yes, but it's not ME." (There has to be a better example of this than that one...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)		:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)
	The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? As well as except for Megatron again in Energon, none of those new powered up color schemes are included. It just seems inconsistent to me[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)		The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? As well as except for Megatron again in Energon, none of those new powered up color schemes are included. It just seems inconsistent to me[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)
			:In that case, maybe it should be removed. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 16:56, 6 March 2021 (EST)

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	So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)		So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)
	:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)		:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)
	The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? [[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)		The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? As well as except for Megatron again in Energon, none of those new powered up color schemes are included. It just seems inconsistent to me[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)

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	So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)		So, why should what the Mini-Cons do be counted as reformatting? It seems to just be the already covered [[spontaneous recoloration]].[[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)
	:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)		:It's still a type of reformatting, is it not? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2021 (EST)
			The page refers to reformatting as a Cybertronian gaining a new form, while spontaneous recoloration (which uses the scene from Armada as its main pic) says "Spontaneous recoloration is similar to reformatting. Unlike reformatting, which wreaks wholesale physical alterations to the transformer's physical form, recoloring is completely cosmetic." So I feel like the wiki had already said the two are different things? [[User:TransFormersfan1\|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1\|talk]]) 13:42, 6 March 2021 (EST)