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Emvee at 00:08, 23 September 2012

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	A more infamous one is [[Earthforce]] - one of the early stories explicitly states that it's a consequence of upcoming US material, but instead of being a preview bubble it instead turned into one of the biggest continuity nightmares going. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 12:48, 16 March 2011 (EDT)		A more infamous one is [[Earthforce]] - one of the early stories explicitly states that it's a consequence of upcoming US material, but instead of being a preview bubble it instead turned into one of the biggest continuity nightmares going. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 12:48, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

			I think ''Regeneration One'' probably qualifies, doesn't it? --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 20:08, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

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	:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''		:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''
	Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation issue 4\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Transformers: Movie Adaptation\|Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream issue 1\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation issue 4\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Transformers: Movie Adaptation\|Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[Transformers: The Reign of Starscream\|The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream issue 1\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''		:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''
	Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation issue 4\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream issue 1\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation issue 4\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Transformers: Movie Adaptation\|Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream issue 1\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''		:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''
	Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation ~~Issue Number Four~~\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream issue 1\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation issue 4\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream issue 1\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''		:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''
	Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream ~~Issue Number One~~\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream issue 1\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::Doesn't sound like they are in the same continuity. Thus, still not a major retcon. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 19:48, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:::Doesn't sound like they are in the same continuity. Thus, still not a major retcon. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 19:48, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

			Although more minor, most of the stories in the first Marvel UK annual only became impossible to fit into the regular continuity after it was printed because the regular comic introduced the 1985 toys slowly and phased out the 1984 ones across the same period, with the result that the cast combinations don't fit anything. (At the time of publication one could either just assume the newer toys had stepped forward from the background, much as in the original cartoon, or that they would get their formal introduction soon no problem, or just not worry about these things.)

			A more infamous one is [[Earthforce]] - one of the early stories explicitly states that it's a consequence of upcoming US material, but instead of being a preview bubble it instead turned into one of the biggest continuity nightmares going. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 12:48, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

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	:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
			:::Doesn't sound like they are in the same continuity. Thus, still not a major retcon. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 19:48, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream Issue Number One\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream Issue Number One\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
			::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''		:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''
	Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream Issue Number One\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream Issue Number One\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
			:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	The Retcons are a secret third (or [[Mini-Con\|fourth]] depending on how you count) Cybertronian faction. They use transwarp-based time-travel and personal cloaking devices to prevent time paradoxes. It was they who provided the "eye of the storm" which gave Optimus Primal the leeway to take Optimus Prime's spark within himself for a time. It was they who ensured that the spark of Megatron was [[Master Blaster\|safely returned]]. It was they who ensured the [[Aerialbot (G1)\|Aerialbots]] did no harm to the timeline whilst helping Alpha Trion in the far-flung past. --[[User:75.161.84.72\|75.161.84.72]] 05:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)		The Retcons are a secret third (or [[Mini-Con\|fourth]] depending on how you count) Cybertronian faction. They use transwarp-based time-travel and personal cloaking devices to prevent time paradoxes. It was they who provided the "eye of the storm" which gave Optimus Primal the leeway to take Optimus Prime's spark within himself for a time. It was they who ensured that the spark of Megatron was [[Master Blaster\|safely returned]]. It was they who ensured the [[Aerialbot (G1)\|Aerialbots]] did no harm to the timeline whilst helping Alpha Trion in the far-flung past. --[[User:75.161.84.72\|75.161.84.72]] 05:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
	:Even though [[Fanon]] is the penultimate source of retconning, this is entirely plausible even if a deus ex machina is the worst literary device ever made. Whoopee for writers making up ways to sell more toys.[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi\|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:55, 31 August 2010 (EDT)		:Even though [[Fanon]] is the penultimate source of retconning, this is entirely plausible even if a deus ex machina is the worst literary device ever made. Whoopee for writers making up ways to sell more toys.[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi\|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:55, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

			== Update? ==

			:''The most drastic form of retcon, wherein an entire past storyline is invalidated by new events in the same continuity, has technically never occurred in Transformers.''
			Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream Issue Number One\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
			:::Doesn't sound like they are in the same continuity. Thus, still not a major retcon. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 19:48, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

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	Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream Issue Number One\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		Is this still true? How about [[Barricade (Movie)\|Barricade]] being decapitated by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] in [[Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four\|issue 4]] of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] [[Movie Adaptation]], but then being merely directed into slamming into a bridge column by [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] in ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' [[The Reign of Starscream Issue Number One\|issue 1]]?--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 16:45, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
	:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)		:Are those in the same continuity as each other? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
			::That's a good question. We can't really tell for sure, especially since there's several things in the movie adaptation that contrast with the movie, and then Reign of Starscream mostly adheres to the movie versions of events.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 19:25, 24 October 2010 (EDT)