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Cyberlink420 at 04:29, 16 February 2025

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	So basically I kinda wonder if that collage should even be there. Tell me? [[User:Jerryteacup\|Jerryteacup]] ([[User talk:Jerryteacup\|talk]]) 21:04, 13 September 2020 (EDT)		So basically I kinda wonder if that collage should even be there. Tell me? [[User:Jerryteacup\|Jerryteacup]] ([[User talk:Jerryteacup\|talk]]) 21:04, 13 September 2020 (EDT)

			==Zarak and Scorponok==
			So most of the time when we're covering the Marvel Headmasters, we generally only cover the instances where the characters detach from their partners and walk around by themselves. Not counting [[Spike Witwicky (G1)\|Spike Witwicky]], Zarak is the other big exception, as big chunks of his Marvel fiction section essentially repeat information on Scorponok's page but with "Scorponok" replaced by "Zarak". Although the nature of the Headmaster process leaves it unclear as to who's in the metaphorical "driver's seat", [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656248887534944265/1018974588098580580/unknown.png this panel] from [[Trial by Fire!\|Marvel #38]], combined with the nature of his final death in [[On the Edge of Extinction!\|Marvel #75]], leads me to wonder if both pages might be better served by doing something similar to how we treat [[Minimus Ambus]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity\|Ultra Magnus]]--whether that's porting over the relevant information onto Zarak's page, or expanding Scorponok's current article writeup to emphasize their connection while leaving an abbreviated recap on Zarak's page. [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 17:19, 12 September 2022 (EDT)
			:Definitely makes sense to me. It's not quite the same situation as Ambus/Magnus obviously, but either of your proposals sounds like it would work. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 20:21, 12 September 2022 (EDT)

Jerryteacup: /* Scorponok has no separate "space ship" mode in the 3rd Rebirth episode */

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Scorponok has no separate "space ship" mode in the 3rd Rebirth episode

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	== Scorponok has no separate "space ship" mode in the 3rd Rebirth episode ==		== Scorponok has no separate "space ship" mode in the 3rd Rebirth episode ==

	So, I don't know if I'm just misinterpreting of the cracks that are characteristic to Tfwiki, but anyway: See the collage of four pictures of Scorponok's modes on Rebirth, claiming he has a fourth mode, a "space ship"? Look again. The supposed "spaceship" mode is simply his city mode from "behind". Yeah, we can always talk about how well (or badly) he's drawn since this upper arms are missing from the tower, but the supposed "spaceship mode" is just the citymode from the side where his scorpion head is (the tail forms the front ramp).		So, I don't know if I'm just misinterpreting one of the cracks that are characteristic to Tfwiki, but anyway: See the collage of four pictures of Scorponok's modes on Rebirth, claiming he has a fourth mode, a "space ship"? Look again. The supposed "spaceship" mode is simply his city mode from "behind". Yeah, we can always talk about how well (or badly) he's drawn since this upper arms are missing from the tower, but the supposed "spaceship mode" is just the citymode from the side where his scorpion head is (the tail forms the front ramp).

	So basically I kinda wonder if that collage should even be there. Tell me? [[User:Jerryteacup\|Jerryteacup]] ([[User talk:Jerryteacup\|talk]]) 21:04, 13 September 2020 (EDT)		So basically I kinda wonder if that collage should even be there. Tell me? [[User:Jerryteacup\|Jerryteacup]] ([[User talk:Jerryteacup\|talk]]) 21:04, 13 September 2020 (EDT)

Jerryteacup: Scorponok has no fourth mode in Rebirth!

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Scorponok has no fourth mode in Rebirth!

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	:If we have seperate articles for the Rebirth and Headmasters versions of Scorponok, we'll need to do it for every Headmaster because the only thing Scorponok has different is the names were switched. That, and there is Japanese fiction that ''does'' have the heads as separate beings, namely the tech specs and packages. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)		:If we have seperate articles for the Rebirth and Headmasters versions of Scorponok, we'll need to do it for every Headmaster because the only thing Scorponok has different is the names were switched. That, and there is Japanese fiction that ''does'' have the heads as separate beings, namely the tech specs and packages. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

			== Scorponok has no separate "space ship" mode in the 3rd Rebirth episode ==

			So, I don't know if I'm just misinterpreting of the cracks that are characteristic to Tfwiki, but anyway: See the collage of four pictures of Scorponok's modes on Rebirth, claiming he has a fourth mode, a "space ship"? Look again. The supposed "spaceship" mode is simply his city mode from "behind". Yeah, we can always talk about how well (or badly) he's drawn since this upper arms are missing from the tower, but the supposed "spaceship mode" is just the citymode from the side where his scorpion head is (the tail forms the front ramp).

			So basically I kinda wonder if that collage should even be there. Tell me? [[User:Jerryteacup\|Jerryteacup]] ([[User talk:Jerryteacup\|talk]]) 21:04, 13 September 2020 (EDT)

Saix: clean up, replaced: → (29), * → *, Ginrai → Ginrai

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clean up, replaced: → (29), * → *, Ginrai → Ginrai

Deceptitran: /* Deceptitran fixes v1.0 - wikia_unspam#1 - */

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Deceptitran fixes v1.0 - wikia_unspam#1 -

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	: the character model argument is a moot point. None of the characters introduced in Rebirth use the same model in Rebirth and Headmasters. And the transtector's English name ''is'' "Scorponok". Even then, it's not like head-robot Scorponok isn't the same guy as head-mode-robot-in-nead-mode-attached-to-transtector. The main difference is that instead of Scorponok is the small robot that controls a brainless body instead of Scorponok's head transforming tnto a separate fleshling.		: the character model argument is a moot point. None of the characters introduced in Rebirth use the same model in Rebirth and Headmasters. And the transtector's English name ''is'' "Scorponok". Even then, it's not like head-robot Scorponok isn't the same guy as head-mode-robot-in-nead-mode-attached-to-transtector. The main difference is that instead of Scorponok is the small robot that controls a brainless body instead of Scorponok's head transforming tnto a separate fleshling.

	:If we have seperate articles for the Rebirth and Headmasters versions of Scorponok, we'll need to do it for every Headmaster because the only thing Scorponok has different is the names were switched. That, and there is Japanese fiction that ''does'' have the heads as separate beings, namely the tech specs and packages. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		:If we have seperate articles for the Rebirth and Headmasters versions of Scorponok, we'll need to do it for every Headmaster because the only thing Scorponok has different is the names were switched. That, and there is Japanese fiction that ''does'' have the heads as separate beings, namely the tech specs and packages. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

FortMax: /* American/JP Scorpy */

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American/JP Scorpy

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	I'd like to second that request. The main picture on the article isn't even showing Scorponok- it shows Megazarak. Even allowing for that- Megazarak has a different character model. This treatment is shafting the Japanese version of the character (hollow, generic cackling bad guy that he be.)		I'd like to second that request. The main picture on the article isn't even showing Scorponok- it shows Megazarak. Even allowing for that- Megazarak has a different character model. This treatment is shafting the Japanese version of the character (hollow, generic cackling bad guy that he be.)

	I don't believe that ''all'' Headmasters should be split this way- but Scorponok is, in many special ways, done a disservice by being treated as one article. Alternately, sub-articles with the Japanese section ~~beign~~ a brief summary followed by a 'for more information see Scorponok (Headmasters)' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 19:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		I don't believe that ''all'' Headmasters should be split this way- but Scorponok is, in many special ways, done a disservice by being treated as one article. Alternately, sub-articles with the Japanese section begin a brief summary followed by a 'for more information see Scorponok (Headmasters)' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 19:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

			: the character model argument is a moot point. None of the characters introduced in Rebirth use the same model in Rebirth and Headmasters. And the transtector's English name ''is'' "Scorponok". Even then, it's not like head-robot Scorponok isn't the same guy as head-mode-robot-in-nead-mode-attached-to-transtector. The main difference is that instead of Scorponok is the small robot that controls a brainless body instead of Scorponok's head transforming tnto a separate fleshling.

			:If we have seperate articles for the Rebirth and Headmasters versions of Scorponok, we'll need to do it for every Headmaster because the only thing Scorponok has different is the names were switched. That, and there is Japanese fiction that ''does'' have the heads as separate beings, namely the tech specs and packages. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Derik: American/JP Scorpy

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American/JP Scorpy

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	Does "Rorichi" mean anything in Japanese? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 19:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)		Does "Rorichi" mean anything in Japanese? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 19:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
	:"Roll-1", maybe? Just guessin' here.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 06:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:"Roll-1", maybe? Just guessin' here.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 06:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

			== American/JP Scorpy ==

			Someone... on some other talk page I can't find now... made a serious (frustrated) request that Scorponok be split into two articles for his American vs. Japanese versions.

			I'd like to second that request. The main picture on the article isn't even showing Scorponok- it shows Megazarak. Even allowing for that- Megazarak has a different character model. This treatment is shafting the Japanese version of the character (hollow, generic cackling bad guy that he be.)

			I don't believe that ''all'' Headmasters should be split this way- but Scorponok is, in many special ways, done a disservice by being treated as one article. Alternately, sub-articles with the Japanese section beign a brief summary followed by a 'for more information see Scorponok (Headmasters)' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 19:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Chip at 13:02, 15 August 2007

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	::::I don't like the fact that the Shockwaves and Blasters and, hell, the English-language Scorponoks are grouped together either, but I accept it as the unavoidable result of larger policy. However, Masterforce breaks that policy with good reason, and I see no reason not to let The Headmasters follow. The core disparity between the Japanese and English-language notions of "binary-bonding" (in fact, do the former even use that term?) is enough for me to want a split. Sure, the potential "Scorponok (US/UK)" and "Scorponok (Japan)" articles (and other such pairs) should reference each other, but I really don't think they should be the same. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 05:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)		::::I don't like the fact that the Shockwaves and Blasters and, hell, the English-language Scorponoks are grouped together either, but I accept it as the unavoidable result of larger policy. However, Masterforce breaks that policy with good reason, and I see no reason not to let The Headmasters follow. The core disparity between the Japanese and English-language notions of "binary-bonding" (in fact, do the former even use that term?) is enough for me to want a split. Sure, the potential "Scorponok (US/UK)" and "Scorponok (Japan)" articles (and other such pairs) should reference each other, but I really don't think they should be the same. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 05:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

			:::::I think the key distinction is that they're all based around the same character concept. My understanding is that while the Japanese bios are ridiculously condensed, Scorponok over there is based on Scorponok over here. It wasn't until Masterforce that things really branched off, with toys being given vastly different writeups over there. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 13:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

	== Rorichi ? ==		== Rorichi ? ==

Jackpot at 05:20, 15 August 2007

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	:::Ehh. He's a Decepticon leader, he's something of an offworlder, he's at odds with the other Decepticon leader(s). I'm not seeing any difference here that wouldn't apply to the various G1 Shockwaves, and I think he has more in common with comics Scorponok than cartoon Scorponok does. The only huge difference is that in Japan, Scorponok is a gold and purple dude with a Transtector that looks like US Scorponok. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 05:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)		:::Ehh. He's a Decepticon leader, he's something of an offworlder, he's at odds with the other Decepticon leader(s). I'm not seeing any difference here that wouldn't apply to the various G1 Shockwaves, and I think he has more in common with comics Scorponok than cartoon Scorponok does. The only huge difference is that in Japan, Scorponok is a gold and purple dude with a Transtector that looks like US Scorponok. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 05:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

			::::I don't like the fact that the Shockwaves and Blasters and, hell, the English-language Scorponoks are grouped together either, but I accept it as the unavoidable result of larger policy. However, Masterforce breaks that policy with good reason, and I see no reason not to let The Headmasters follow. The core disparity between the Japanese and English-language notions of "binary-bonding" (in fact, do the former even use that term?) is enough for me to want a split. Sure, the potential "Scorponok (US/UK)" and "Scorponok (Japan)" articles (and other such pairs) should reference each other, but I really don't think they should be the same. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 05:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

	== Rorichi ? ==		== Rorichi ? ==

Chip at 05:08, 15 August 2007

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	::Apologies if this debate was done to death elsewhere, but I think the Japanese stuff should really get its own article. Scorpy's completely non-informative intro is as good a piece of evidence as anything. Really, I see no difference at all between this and [[Ginrai]]. (For consistency's sake, we should probably apply the same treatment to the other J-Headmasters, but only because the extremity of characters like Zarak and Fortress called for it first.) - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)		::Apologies if this debate was done to death elsewhere, but I think the Japanese stuff should really get its own article. Scorpy's completely non-informative intro is as good a piece of evidence as anything. Really, I see no difference at all between this and [[Ginrai]]. (For consistency's sake, we should probably apply the same treatment to the other J-Headmasters, but only because the extremity of characters like Zarak and Fortress called for it first.) - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

	:::Ehh. He's a Decepticon leader, he's something of an offworlder, he's at odds with the other Decepticon leader(s). I'm not seeing any difference here that wouldn't apply to the various G1 Shockwaves, and I think he has more in common with comics Scorponok than cartoon Scorponok does. The only huge difference is that in Japan, Scorponok is a gold and purple dude with a Transtector that looks like US Scorponok. [[User:~~69.255.229.3~~\|~~69.255.229.3~~]] 05:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)		:::Ehh. He's a Decepticon leader, he's something of an offworlder, he's at odds with the other Decepticon leader(s). I'm not seeing any difference here that wouldn't apply to the various G1 Shockwaves, and I think he has more in common with comics Scorponok than cartoon Scorponok does. The only huge difference is that in Japan, Scorponok is a gold and purple dude with a Transtector that looks like US Scorponok. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 05:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

	== Rorichi ? ==		== Rorichi ? ==

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	Do you think Black Zarak should be considered a seperate character from Scorponok? He did have a different consciousness than Scorponok (with Devil Z in his noggin and Scorponok serving as nothing more than a power battery wired into the chest).--[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 04:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)		==Untitled==
			Do you think Black Zarak should be considered a seperate character from Scorponok? He did have a different consciousness than Scorponok (with Devil Z in his noggin and Scorponok serving as nothing more than a power battery wired into the chest).--[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 04:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

	no, because Scorponok is the little robot, and the big body is Megazarak/Black Zarak. (Scorponok was generally known as Black Zarak in MF, because he was permenantly wired into his transector, and never emerged.)		no, because Scorponok is the little robot, and the big body is Megazarak/Black Zarak. (Scorponok was generally known as Black Zarak in MF, because he was permenantly wired into his transector, and never emerged.)

	That he was posesses by Dark Nova is a null-issue. He's not Dark NOva, he existed for 20 episodes prior as a seperate character. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 06:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)		That he was posesses by Dark Nova is a null-issue. He's not Dark NOva, he existed for 20 episodes prior as a seperate character. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 06:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
	:You mean Devil Z, right? Dark Nova is from [[Battlestars]]. [[User:Takeshi357\|Takeshi357]] 19:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)		:You mean Devil Z, right? Dark Nova is from [[Battlestars]]. [[User:Takeshi357\|Takeshi357]] 19:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

	So, hey, what with the use of Japanese names for Headmasters? We normally refer to characters from Japanese fiction with their American names, don't we? - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 18:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		So, hey, what with the use of Japanese names for Headmasters? We normally refer to characters from Japanese fiction with their American names, don't we? - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 18:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	: In this case, the Japanese character is being considered different from the English character, so we only have the Japanese names to go on. We're not going to call Go Shuta or whoever "Siren." They're not the same guy, so it's a different case than, say, Stepper/Ricochet. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		: In this case, the Japanese character is being considered different from the English character, so we only have the Japanese names to go on. We're not going to call Go Shuta or whoever "Siren." They're not the same guy, so it's a different case than, say, Stepper/Ricochet. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

	::Well, yeah. I guess what my question really was was "Why are we considering them different characters?" I've been through this whole dealie before with the Headmasters DVD, and I can certainly see the logic in taking such an approach, but it's... are we going to create separate articles for Wipe and Skull, just because they have different names from their American counterparts? The differences that separate them from Mindwipe and Skullcruncher are no greater than those that separate Scorponok from MegaZarak. Of course, I'm a giant hypocrit, since I wouldn't contest this in the case of Fortress, so... yes, I really don't know what my point is. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 19:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		::Well, yeah. I guess what my question really was was "Why are we considering them different characters?" I've been through this whole dealie before with the Headmasters DVD, and I can certainly see the logic in taking such an approach, but it's... are we going to create separate articles for Wipe and Skull, just because they have different names from their American counterparts? The differences that separate them from Mindwipe and Skullcruncher are no greater than those that separate Scorponok from MegaZarak. Of course, I'm a giant hypocrit, since I wouldn't contest this in the case of Fortress, so... yes, I really don't know what my point is. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 19:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	:::I think Wipe and Skull can have their own pages. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		:::I think Wipe and Skull can have their own pages. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	:::I sorta see what you're getting at, Chris -- some of the Masterforce characters are really different from their different-name US couterparts, but some are pretty similar. So... we could evaluate it case-by-case, but, I think that would just make things more confusing. I'm inclined to treat all the Masterforce guys as different characters than their US counterparts, even when they are actually similar, just for the sake of uniformity. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 19:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		:::I sorta see what you're getting at, Chris -- some of the Masterforce characters are really different from their different-name US couterparts, but some are pretty similar. So... we couldevaluate it case-by-case, but, I think that would just make things more confusing. I'm inclined to treat all the Masterforce guys as different characters than their US counterparts, even when they are actually similar, just for the sake of uniformity. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 19:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
	::::You mean Headmasters, right? But then, does that not technically mean we should be having articles like "Chromedome (US)" and "Chromedome (Headmasters)"? Personally, I'm more inclined to go the ''other'' way, and treat them as just being the same characters. If it's worth anything in the consideration, this ''is'' how it was done for the R2 Headmasters DVD. Um, except for Fortress. And that was mostly just based on the wordplay inherent in the name. Hence my hypocrisy. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 19:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		::::You mean Headmasters, right? But then, does that not technically mean we should be having articles like "Chromedome (US)" and "Chromedome (Headmasters)"? Personally, I'm more inclined to go the ''other'' way, and treat them as just being the same characters. If it's worth anything in the consideration, this ''is'' how it was done for the R2 Headmasters DVD. Um, except for Fortress. And that was mostly just based on the wordplay inherent in the name. Hence my hypocrisy. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 19:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

	*Personally, I think we should just keep the "Wipes" in the "Mindwipe" articles but under the Japanese fiction sections just refer to them by their Japanese names as a means to differentiate. The US and Japanese characters are similar enough to warrant sharing space in one article and I don't think callig them by their Japanese names where appropriate would be too confusing to the readers (especially since there's a note at the beginning of each article listing the foreign names).		*Personally, I think we should just keep the "Wipes" in the "Mindwipe" articles but under the Japanese fiction sections just refer to them by their Japanese names as a means to differentiate. The US and Japanese characters are similar enough to warrant sharing space in one article and I don't think callig them by their Japanese names where appropriate would be too confusing to the readers (especially since there's a note at the beginning of each article listing the foreign names).

	But that's just my fitty cents, dawgs. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 21:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		But that's just my fitty cents, dawgs. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 21:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
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	:Junior Headmasters & Powermasters = Different characters. -Derik23:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)		:Junior Headmasters & Powermasters = Different characters. -Derik23:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

	::Apologies if this debate was done to death elsewhere, but I think the Japanese stuff should really get its own article. Scorpy's completely non-informative intro is as good a piece of evidence as anything. Really, I see no difference at all between this and [[Ginrai]]. (For consistency's sake, we should probably apply the same treatment to the other J-Headmasters, but only because the extremity of characters like Zarak and Fortress called for it first.) - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)		::Apologies if this debate was done to death elsewhere, but I think the Japanese stuff should really get its own article. Scorpy's completely non-informative intro is as good a piece of evidence as anything. Really, I see no difference at all between this and [[Ginrai (human)\|Ginrai]]. (For consistency's sake, we should probably apply the same treatment to the other J-Headmasters, but only because the extremity of characters like Zarak and Fortress called for it first.) - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

	:::Ehh. He's a Decepticon leader, he's something of an offworlder, he's at odds with the other Decepticon leader(s). I'm not seeing any difference here that wouldn't apply to the various G1 Shockwaves, and I think he has more in common with comics Scorponok than cartoon Scorponok does. The only huge difference is that in Japan, Scorponok is a gold and purple dude with a Transtector that looks like US Scorponok. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 05:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)		:::Ehh. He's a Decepticon leader, he's something of an offworlder, he's at odds with the other Decepticon leader(s). I'm not seeing any difference here that wouldn't apply to the various G1 Shockwaves, and I think he has more in common with comics Scorponok than cartoon Scorponok does. The only huge difference is that in Japan, Scorponok is a gold and purple dude with a Transtector that looks like US Scorponok. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 05:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

	::::I don't like the fact that the Shockwaves and Blasters and, hell, the English-language Scorponoks are grouped together either, but I accept it as the unavoidable result of larger policy. However, Masterforce breaks that policy with good reason, and I see no reason not to let The Headmasters follow. The core disparity between the Japanese and English-language notions of "binary-bonding" (in fact, do the former even use that term?) is enough for me to want a split. Sure, the potential "Scorponok (US/UK)" and "Scorponok (Japan)" articles (and other such pairs) should reference each other, but I really don't think they should be the same. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 05:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)		::::I don't like the fact that the Shockwaves and Blasters and, hell, the English-language Scorponoks are grouped together either, but I accept it as the unavoidable result of larger policy. However, Masterforce breaks that policy with good reason, and I see no reason not to let The Headmasters follow. The core disparity between the Japanese and English-language notions of "binary-bonding" (in fact, do the former even use that term?) is enough for me to want a split. Sure, the potential "Scorponok (US/UK)" and "Scorponok (Japan)" articles (and other such pairs) should reference each other, but I really don't think they should be the same. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 05:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

	:::::I think the key distinction is that they're all based around the same character concept. My understanding is that while the Japanese bios are ridiculously condensed, Scorponok over there is based on Scorponok over here. It wasn't until Masterforce that things really branched off, with toys being given vastly different writeups over there. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 13:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)		:::::I think the key distinction is that they're all based around the same character concept. My understanding is that while the Japanese bios are ridiculously condensed, Scorponok over there is based on Scorponok over here. It wasn't until Masterforce that things really branched off, with toys being given vastly different writeups over there. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 13:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

	== Rorichi ? ==		== Rorichi ? ==

	Does "Rorichi" mean anything in Japanese? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 19:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)		Does "Rorichi" mean anything in Japanese? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 19:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
	:"Roll-1", maybe? Just guessin' here.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 06:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)		:"Roll-1", maybe? Just guessin' here.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 06:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

	== American/JP Scorpy ==		== American/JP Scorpy ==
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	Someone... on some other talk page I can't find now... made a serious (frustrated) request that Scorponok be split into two articles for his American vs. Japanese versions.		Someone... on some other talk page I can't find now... made a serious (frustrated) request that Scorponok be split into two articles for his American vs. Japanese versions.

	I'd like to second that request. The main picture on the article isn't even showing Scorponok- it shows Megazarak. Even allowing for that- Megazarak has a different character model. This treatment is shafting the Japanese version of the character (hollow, generic cackling bad guy that he be.)		I'd like to second that request. The main picture on the article isn't even showing Scorponok- it shows Megazarak. Even allowing for that- Megazarak has a different character model. This treatment is shafting the Japanese version of the character (hollow, generic cackling bad guy that he be.)

	I don't believe that ''all'' Headmasters should be split this way- but Scorponok is, in many special ways, done a disservice by being treated as one article. Alternately, sub-articles with the Japanese section begin a brief summary followed by a 'for more information see Scorponok (Headmasters)' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 19:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)		I don't believe that ''all'' Headmasters should be split this way- but Scorponok is, in many special ways, done a disservice by being treated as one article. Alternately, sub-articles with the Japanese section begin a brief summary followed by a 'for more information see Scorponok (Headmasters)' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 19:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

	: the character model argument is a moot point. None of the characters introduced in Rebirth use the same model in Rebirth and Headmasters. And the transtector's English name ''is'' "Scorponok". Even then, it's not like head-robot Scorponok isn't the same guy as head-mode-robot-in-nead-mode-attached-to-transtector. The main difference is that instead of Scorponok is the small robot that controls a brainless body instead of Scorponok's head transforming tnto a separate fleshling.		: the character model argument is a moot point. None of the characters introduced in Rebirth use the same model in Rebirth and Headmasters. And the transtector's English name ''is'' "Scorponok". Even then, it's not like head-robot Scorponok isn't the same guy as head-mode-robot-in-nead-mode-attached-to-transtector. The main difference is that instead of Scorponok is the small robot that controls a brainless body instead of Scorponok's head transforming tnto a separate fleshling.

	:If we have seperate articles for the Rebirth and Headmasters versions of Scorponok, we'll need to do it for every Headmaster because the only thing Scorponok has different is the names were switched. That, and there is Japanese fiction that ''does'' have the heads as separate beings, namely the tech specs and packages. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)		:If we have seperate articles for the Rebirth and Headmasters versions of Scorponok, we'll need to do it for every Headmaster because the only thing Scorponok has different is the names were switched. That, and there is Japanese fiction that ''does'' have the heads as separate beings, namely the tech specs and packages. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)