Talk:Sentinel Prime (G1) - Revision history

S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47: /* Splitting the Primus Vanguard guy */

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	[[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 14:15, 20 January 2022 (EST)		[[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 14:15, 20 January 2022 (EST)
	<br>Alrighty that's a fair bit with no votes against, so I'm moving forward with the split. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 16:52, 24 January 2022 (EST)		<br>Alrighty that's a fair bit with no votes against, so I'm moving forward with the split. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 16:52, 24 January 2022 (EST)

			Sticking this point here for posterity: U-Haul Robot (identified as the local Sentinel Prime by ''The AllSpark Almanac II'') does exist in the Japanese dub of Sunbow, so giving Red Sentinel Prime his own separate page arguably matches giving G1 Megatron and BW Megatron separate pages for occupying adjoining timeframes. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 21:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)

AzimuthAcolyte: /* Splitting the Primus Vanguard guy */

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	I think it's better to keep the very distinct Primus Vanguard guys separate, so I'm in for the split.		I think it's better to keep the very distinct Primus Vanguard guys separate, so I'm in for the split.
	[[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 14:15, 20 January 2022 (EST)		[[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 14:15, 20 January 2022 (EST)
			<br>Alrighty that's a fair bit with no votes against, so I'm moving forward with the split. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 16:52, 24 January 2022 (EST)

MrRald: /* Splitting the Primus Vanguard guy */

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	I could get into the weeds of Red Sentinel Prime's increasingly divergent characterization and so forth but my principal concern is that the whole spiel associated with a major [[Primus Vanguard]] character is a lot to spring on a reader six screens down on a major G1 article. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:40, 20 January 2022 (EST)		I could get into the weeds of Red Sentinel Prime's increasingly divergent characterization and so forth but my principal concern is that the whole spiel associated with a major [[Primus Vanguard]] character is a lot to spring on a reader six screens down on a major G1 article. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:40, 20 January 2022 (EST)
	:It'd be easier to link to and is more consistent with all of the other leaders getting their own pages so I vaguely support it but at the same time can take it either way. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:50, 20 January 2022 (EST)		:It'd be easier to link to and is more consistent with all of the other leaders getting their own pages so I vaguely support it but at the same time can take it either way. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:50, 20 January 2022 (EST)
			I think it's better to keep the very distinct Primus Vanguard guys separate, so I'm in for the split.
			[[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 14:15, 20 January 2022 (EST)

Saix: /* Splitting the Primus Vanguard guy */

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	I could get into the weeds of Red Sentinel Prime's increasingly divergent characterization and so forth but my principal concern is that the whole spiel associated with a major [[Primus Vanguard]] character is a lot to spring on a reader six screens down on a major G1 article. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:40, 20 January 2022 (EST)		I could get into the weeds of Red Sentinel Prime's increasingly divergent characterization and so forth but my principal concern is that the whole spiel associated with a major [[Primus Vanguard]] character is a lot to spring on a reader six screens down on a major G1 article. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:40, 20 January 2022 (EST)
	:It'd be easier to link to so I vaguely support it but at the same time can take it either way. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:50, 20 January 2022 (EST)		:It'd be easier to link to and is more consistent with all of the other leaders getting their own pages so I vaguely support it but at the same time can take it either way. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:50, 20 January 2022 (EST)

Saix: /* Splitting the Primus Vanguard guy */

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	I could get into the weeds of Red Sentinel Prime's increasingly divergent characterization and so forth but my principal concern is that the whole spiel associated with a major [[Primus Vanguard]] character is a lot to spring on a reader six screens down on a major G1 article. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:40, 20 January 2022 (EST)		I could get into the weeds of Red Sentinel Prime's increasingly divergent characterization and so forth but my principal concern is that the whole spiel associated with a major [[Primus Vanguard]] character is a lot to spring on a reader six screens down on a major G1 article. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:40, 20 January 2022 (EST)
			:It'd be easier to link to so I vaguely support it but at the same time can take it either way. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:50, 20 January 2022 (EST)

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	::::That's pretty much why none of these guys are on individual pages yet. Best to wait and see. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:00, 22 March 2011 (EDT)		::::That's pretty much why none of these guys are on individual pages yet. Best to wait and see. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:00, 22 March 2011 (EDT)
	:::::I'd think the best the wiki could hope for is that they undeniably get their own continuity. Because there's pretty much no way they're going to fit into anything else - of course, that probably means they're part of the Prime continuity, because Hasbro says everything but the movie is. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 22:24, 22 March 2011 (EDT)		:::::I'd think the best the wiki could hope for is that they undeniably get their own continuity. Because there's pretty much no way they're going to fit into anything else - of course, that probably means they're part of the Prime continuity, because Hasbro says everything but the movie is. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 22:24, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

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			I could get into the weeds of Red Sentinel Prime's increasingly divergent characterization and so forth but my principal concern is that the whole spiel associated with a major [[Primus Vanguard]] character is a lot to spring on a reader six screens down on a major G1 article. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 13:40, 20 January 2022 (EST)

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	:::So why the assertion that Sentinel Major is Sentinel Prime? There's no evidence in favor of that being the intent, and numerous factors working against it. The Dinobots in the different continuities (and continuity conflicts in a given story) are still plainly represented as being the Dinobots, are stated by the creators of those continuities to be the Dinobots, and have an appearance that is consistent with previous versions. My arguments against Sentinel Major being Sentinel Prime aren't airtight, but nobody has given any argument in favor of them being the same. The burden of proof is on your side. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 14:08, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		:::So why the assertion that Sentinel Major is Sentinel Prime? There's no evidence in favor of that being the intent, and numerous factors working against it. The Dinobots in the different continuities (and continuity conflicts in a given story) are still plainly represented as being the Dinobots, are stated by the creators of those continuities to be the Dinobots, and have an appearance that is consistent with previous versions. My arguments against Sentinel Major being Sentinel Prime aren't airtight, but nobody has given any argument in favor of them being the same. The burden of proof is on your side. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 14:08, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	::::It isn't that complicated. He's the G1 version of Sentinel, so his information goes on the G1 Sentinel page. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 14:11, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		::::It isn't that complicated. He's the G1 version of Sentinel, so his information goes on the G1 Sentinel page. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 14:11, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	:::::Has it been stated anywhere that that's the case? It sounds to me like you're saying that the evidence that he's meant to be the same as Sentinel Prime is that he shares one part of his name in common with the Prime... which is about as weak an argument as saying that you and I are the same person because we have similar first names. I don't see why there can't be multiple distinct Cybertronians with the [[Silverbolt_(G1)\|same]] [[Silverbolt_(BW)\|name]] existing in the same continuity. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 14:20, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		:::::Has it been stated anywhere that that's the case? It sounds to me like you're saying that the evidence that he's meant to be the same as Sentinel Prime is that he shares one part of his name in common with the Prime... which is about as weak an argument as saying that you and I are the same person because we have similar first names. I don't see why there can't be multiple distinct Cybertronians with the [[Silverbolt_(G1)\|same]] [[Silverbolt_(Fuzor)\|name]] existing in the same continuity. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 14:20, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	::::::The very fact that he looks pretty much identical to [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)]] is extremely strong evidence that he is intended to, in fact, '''BE''' Sentinel Prime. We've always maintained that, absence evidence to the contrary, characters in Animated that look like their G1 counterpart ARE that character (for instance, [[Spittor (Animated)]] is never referred to by name, but no one argues that maybe it's not Spittor) and I see no reason why we can't use the converse argument here.		::::::The very fact that he looks pretty much identical to [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)]] is extremely strong evidence that he is intended to, in fact, '''BE''' Sentinel Prime. We've always maintained that, absence evidence to the contrary, characters in Animated that look like their G1 counterpart ARE that character (for instance, [[Spittor (Animated)]] is never referred to by name, but no one argues that maybe it's not Spittor) and I see no reason why we can't use the converse argument here.
	::::::In other words, as I said before, we have the capability of using reason, it behooves us to use it. Let's not be intentionally daft. This tendency to stick our fingers in our ears and thrust our heads under the sand is counterproductive to genuinely cataloging knowledge and enhancing our understanding of the beauty that is Transformers. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 14:54, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		::::::In other words, as I said before, we have the capability of using reason, it behooves us to use it. Let's not be intentionally daft. This tendency to stick our fingers in our ears and thrust our heads under the sand is counterproductive to genuinely cataloging knowledge and enhancing our understanding of the beauty that is Transformers. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 14:54, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

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	::::::Okay, we can say that "characters in Animated that look like their G1 counterpart ARE that character", so we can say that G1 Sentinel ''Major'' is Animated Sentinel Prime... but neither of them ''look'' like any version of the G1 Sentinel ''Prime''. There '''is''' a demonstrable link between the Animated character and the G1 character in Wings of Honor, but I don't see any link aside from the name between the Animated character and the earlier G1 character. This is like saying [[Jetstorm_(Animated)\|Jetstorm]] is [[Jetstorm_(BM)\|Jetstorm]]- except there, we at least have some aspects of appearance in common.		::::::Okay, we can say that "characters in Animated that look like their G1 counterpart ARE that character", so we can say that G1 Sentinel ''Major'' is Animated Sentinel Prime... but neither of them ''look'' like any version of the G1 Sentinel ''Prime''. There '''is''' a demonstrable link between the Animated character and the G1 character in Wings of Honor, but I don't see any link aside from the name between the Animated character and the earlier G1 character. This is like saying [[Jetstorm_(Animated)\|Jetstorm]] is [[Jetstorm_(BM)\|Jetstorm]]- except there, we at least have some aspects of appearance in common.
	::::::As for Spittor, there's authorial intent and other sources outside the cartoon itself to establish that they're meant to be 'the same'. Nothing like that in this case, so far as I've seen. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 15:33, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		::::::As for Spittor, there's authorial intent and other sources outside the cartoon itself to establish that they're meant to be 'the same'. Nothing like that in this case, so far as I've seen. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 15:33, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	::::: Let's imagine, for the sake of argument, that FP puts out a new story, set in a "what if?" universe where, during the events of [[War Dawn]], Orion Pax dies without having ever become Optimus Prime, and Dion goes on to become the leader of the Autobots. This version of Orion would still be a legitimate Optimus Prime (G1). --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]]		::::: Let's imagine, for the sake of argument, that FP puts out a new story, set in a "what if?" universe where, during the events of [[War Dawn (episode)\|War Dawn]], Orion Pax dies without having ever become Optimus Prime, and Dion goes on to become the leader of the Autobots. This version of Orion would still be a legitimate Optimus Prime (G1). --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]]
	:::::Arguably so, but G1 Orion Pax is still established in canon as being 'the same person' as G1 Optimus Prime. There's nothing yet in canon establishing G1 Sentinel Major as being the same person as G1 Sentinel Prime. The problem I have here is that people are saying that one character is the other without any evidence that that's the authorial intent. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 15:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		:::::Arguably so, but G1 Orion Pax is still established in canon as being 'the same person' as G1 Optimus Prime. There's nothing yet in canon establishing G1 Sentinel Major as being the same person as G1 Sentinel Prime. The problem I have here is that people are saying that one character is the other without any evidence that that's the authorial intent. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 15:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	::::::Leaving Andrusi's persuasive argument aside, you're admitting that G1 Sentinel Major IS a G1 version of a Sentinel Prime, albeit from Animated. So ... you admit that he's basically '''A''' Sentinel Prime. But, what, you think he might be a different Sentinel Prime?		::::::Leaving Andrusi's persuasive argument aside, you're admitting that G1 Sentinel Major IS a G1 version of a Sentinel Prime, albeit from Animated. So ... you admit that he's basically '''A''' Sentinel Prime. But, what, you think he might be a different Sentinel Prime?

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	:::::::I'm not sure how two people arguing to keep the info here, and two people arguing for it to go on a separate page (albeit for two different reasons) = a consensus either way, but okay. --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 16:07, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		:::::::I'm not sure how two people arguing to keep the info here, and two people arguing for it to go on a separate page (albeit for two different reasons) = a consensus either way, but okay. --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 16:07, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

	::::::Jim: Yes, I agree that Sentinel Major seems to be based on Animated Sentinel Prime, just as [[Cop-Tur_(~~Timelines~~)]] is based on [[Cop-Tur]]- but Pete Sinclair explicitly said the two Cop-Turs are ''not'' meant to be the same character. As I pointed out above, there are numerous instances of two characters with the same or similar names existing in one continuity in Transformers, just as there are many John Smiths in real life.		::::::Jim: Yes, I agree that Sentinel Major seems to be based on Animated Sentinel Prime, just as [[Cop-Tur_(G1)]] is based on [[Cop-Tur (Armada)]]- but Pete Sinclair explicitly said the two Cop-Turs are ''not'' meant to be the same character. As I pointed out above, there are numerous instances of two characters with the same or similar names existing in one continuity in Transformers, just as there are many John Smiths in real life.
	::::::Personality? This one's a cipher too, but you can say that about any character with as few lines as he's had.		::::::Personality? This one's a cipher too, but you can say that about any character with as few lines as he's had.
	::::::IMO, you're being contradictory, at times saying that personality and appearance don't matter, and then at other times saying they do. As far as I'm concerned, until someone who was responsible for him appearing in the Fun Pub story comes forward and says one way or the other, there's no reason to assume Timelines Sentinel Major is meant to be any other character than himself. To say otherwise is speculative, and I was under the impression that that was against policy here. I'm gonna hold off from now on, to wait and see what the official word is... but even if they say he's meant to be G1 Sentinel Prime, I'll still say that the right thing to do was to wait and hear FP/Hasbro/whomever say it is so, rather than leaping to conclusions and putting him here on fan speculation alone. --[[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]]16:11, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		::::::IMO, you're being contradictory, at times saying that personality and appearance don't matter, and then at other times saying they do. As far as I'm concerned, until someone who was responsible for him appearing in the Fun Pub story comes forward and says one way or the other, there's no reason to assume Timelines Sentinel Major is meant to be any other character than himself. To say otherwise is speculative, and I was under the impression that that was against policy here. I'm gonna hold off from now on, to wait and see what the official word is... but even if they say he's meant to be G1 Sentinel Prime, I'll still say that the right thing to do was to wait and hear FP/Hasbro/whomever say it is so, rather than leaping to conclusions and putting him here on fan speculation alone. --[[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]]16:11, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Interrobang at 05:25, 2 September 2011

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	Especially since it seems even Sorenson says on the Allspark he wasn't addressing the WoH storyline, but the cartoon. --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 23:42, 1 July 2010 (EDT)		Especially since it seems even Sorenson says on the Allspark he wasn't addressing the WoH storyline, but the cartoon. --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 23:42, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
	:Since U-Haul fits the typical G1 archetype for Sentinel Prime, keep this page as it is and relabel Wings Sentinel with a (WoH) tag, since Pete says he's a totally different character anyway. That's probably the simplest thing to do. {{unsigned\|173.71.105.23\|22:45, July 1, 2010}}		:Since U-Haul fits the typical G1 archetype for Sentinel Prime, keep this page as it is and relabel Wings Sentinel with a (WoH) tag, since Pete says he's a totally different character anyway. That's probably the simplest thing to do. {{unsigned\|173.71.105.23\|22:45, July 1, 2010}}
	::If the wiki is forced to take the "U-Haul robot is Sentinel Major/Prime" thing seriously, I think the articles have to be merged. WoH is loosely based the cartoon continuity, it is a perfectly legitimate interpretation to consider [[:Image:Aubotot gladiator.jpg\|this guy]] to be the same character as [[~~:Image:SentinelMajor TheComingStorm2.jpg~~\|this guy]] if a fan wanted to. The wiki should reflect that. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 10:25, 2 July 2010 (EDT)		::If the wiki is forced to take the "U-Haul robot is Sentinel Major/Prime" thing seriously, I think the articles have to be merged. WoH is loosely based the cartoon continuity, it is a perfectly legitimate interpretation to consider [[:Image:Aubotot gladiator.jpg\|this guy]] to be the same character as [[Sentinel Major\|this guy]] if a fan wanted to. The wiki should reflect that. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 10:25, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

	== U-Haul robot ==		== U-Haul robot ==

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	<br>Alrighty that's a fair bit with no votes against, so I'm moving forward with the split. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 16:52, 24 January 2022 (EST)		<br>Alrighty that's a fair bit with no votes against, so I'm moving forward with the split. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte\|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte\|talk]]) 16:52, 24 January 2022 (EST)

			Sticking this point here for posterity: U-Haul Robot (identified as the local Sentinel Prime by ''The AllSpark Almanac II'') does exist in the Japanese dub of Sunbow, so giving Red Sentinel Prime his own separate page arguably matches giving G1 Megatron and BW Megatron separate pages for occupying adjoining timeframes. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 21:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)

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	:::So why the assertion that Sentinel Major is Sentinel Prime? There's no evidence in favor of that being the intent, and numerous factors working against it. The Dinobots in the different continuities (and continuity conflicts in a given story) are still plainly represented as being the Dinobots, are stated by the creators of those continuities to be the Dinobots, and have an appearance that is consistent with previous versions. My arguments against Sentinel Major being Sentinel Prime aren't airtight, but nobody has given any argument in favor of them being the same. The burden of proof is on your side. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 14:08, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		:::So why the assertion that Sentinel Major is Sentinel Prime? There's no evidence in favor of that being the intent, and numerous factors working against it. The Dinobots in the different continuities (and continuity conflicts in a given story) are still plainly represented as being the Dinobots, are stated by the creators of those continuities to be the Dinobots, and have an appearance that is consistent with previous versions. My arguments against Sentinel Major being Sentinel Prime aren't airtight, but nobody has given any argument in favor of them being the same. The burden of proof is on your side. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 14:08, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	::::It isn't that complicated. He's the G1 version of Sentinel, so his information goes on the G1 Sentinel page. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 14:11, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		::::It isn't that complicated. He's the G1 version of Sentinel, so his information goes on the G1 Sentinel page. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 14:11, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	:::::Has it been stated anywhere that that's the case? It sounds to me like you're saying that the evidence that he's meant to be the same as Sentinel Prime is that he shares one part of his name in common with the Prime... which is about as weak an argument as saying that you and I are the same person because we have similar first names. I don't see why there can't be multiple distinct Cybertronians with the [[Silverbolt_(G1)\|same]] [[Silverbolt_(BW)\|name]] existing in the same continuity. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 14:20, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		:::::Has it been stated anywhere that that's the case? It sounds to me like you're saying that the evidence that he's meant to be the same as Sentinel Prime is that he shares one part of his name in common with the Prime... which is about as weak an argument as saying that you and I are the same person because we have similar first names. I don't see why there can't be multiple distinct Cybertronians with the [[Silverbolt_(G1)\|same]] [[Silverbolt_(Fuzor)\|name]] existing in the same continuity. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 14:20, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	::::::The very fact that he looks pretty much identical to [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)]] is extremely strong evidence that he is intended to, in fact, '''BE''' Sentinel Prime. We've always maintained that, absence evidence to the contrary, characters in Animated that look like their G1 counterpart ARE that character (for instance, [[Spittor (Animated)]] is never referred to by name, but no one argues that maybe it's not Spittor) and I see no reason why we can't use the converse argument here.		::::::The very fact that he looks pretty much identical to [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)]] is extremely strong evidence that he is intended to, in fact, '''BE''' Sentinel Prime. We've always maintained that, absence evidence to the contrary, characters in Animated that look like their G1 counterpart ARE that character (for instance, [[Spittor (Animated)]] is never referred to by name, but no one argues that maybe it's not Spittor) and I see no reason why we can't use the converse argument here.
	::::::In other words, as I said before, we have the capability of using reason, it behooves us to use it. Let's not be intentionally daft. This tendency to stick our fingers in our ears and thrust our heads under the sand is counterproductive to genuinely cataloging knowledge and enhancing our understanding of the beauty that is Transformers. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 14:54, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		::::::In other words, as I said before, we have the capability of using reason, it behooves us to use it. Let's not be intentionally daft. This tendency to stick our fingers in our ears and thrust our heads under the sand is counterproductive to genuinely cataloging knowledge and enhancing our understanding of the beauty that is Transformers. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 14:54, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

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	::::::Okay, we can say that "characters in Animated that look like their G1 counterpart ARE that character", so we can say that G1 Sentinel ''Major'' is Animated Sentinel Prime... but neither of them ''look'' like any version of the G1 Sentinel ''Prime''. There '''is''' a demonstrable link between the Animated character and the G1 character in Wings of Honor, but I don't see any link aside from the name between the Animated character and the earlier G1 character. This is like saying [[Jetstorm_(Animated)\|Jetstorm]] is [[Jetstorm_(BM)\|Jetstorm]]- except there, we at least have some aspects of appearance in common.		::::::Okay, we can say that "characters in Animated that look like their G1 counterpart ARE that character", so we can say that G1 Sentinel ''Major'' is Animated Sentinel Prime... but neither of them ''look'' like any version of the G1 Sentinel ''Prime''. There '''is''' a demonstrable link between the Animated character and the G1 character in Wings of Honor, but I don't see any link aside from the name between the Animated character and the earlier G1 character. This is like saying [[Jetstorm_(Animated)\|Jetstorm]] is [[Jetstorm_(BM)\|Jetstorm]]- except there, we at least have some aspects of appearance in common.
	::::::As for Spittor, there's authorial intent and other sources outside the cartoon itself to establish that they're meant to be 'the same'. Nothing like that in this case, so far as I've seen. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 15:33, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		::::::As for Spittor, there's authorial intent and other sources outside the cartoon itself to establish that they're meant to be 'the same'. Nothing like that in this case, so far as I've seen. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 15:33, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	::::: Let's imagine, for the sake of argument, that FP puts out a new story, set in a "what if?" universe where, during the events of [[War Dawn]], Orion Pax dies without having ever become Optimus Prime, and Dion goes on to become the leader of the Autobots. This version of Orion would still be a legitimate Optimus Prime (G1). --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]]		::::: Let's imagine, for the sake of argument, that FP puts out a new story, set in a "what if?" universe where, during the events of [[War Dawn (episode)\|War Dawn]], Orion Pax dies without having ever become Optimus Prime, and Dion goes on to become the leader of the Autobots. This version of Orion would still be a legitimate Optimus Prime (G1). --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]]
	:::::Arguably so, but G1 Orion Pax is still established in canon as being 'the same person' as G1 Optimus Prime. There's nothing yet in canon establishing G1 Sentinel Major as being the same person as G1 Sentinel Prime. The problem I have here is that people are saying that one character is the other without any evidence that that's the authorial intent. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 15:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)		:::::Arguably so, but G1 Orion Pax is still established in canon as being 'the same person' as G1 Optimus Prime. There's nothing yet in canon establishing G1 Sentinel Major as being the same person as G1 Sentinel Prime. The problem I have here is that people are saying that one character is the other without any evidence that that's the authorial intent. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 15:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
	::::::Leaving Andrusi's persuasive argument aside, you're admitting that G1 Sentinel Major IS a G1 version of a Sentinel Prime, albeit from Animated. So ... you admit that he's basically '''A''' Sentinel Prime. But, what, you think he might be a different Sentinel Prime?		::::::Leaving Andrusi's persuasive argument aside, you're admitting that G1 Sentinel Major IS a G1 version of a Sentinel Prime, albeit from Animated. So ... you admit that he's basically '''A''' Sentinel Prime. But, what, you think he might be a different Sentinel Prime?