Talk:Silverbolt (G1) - Revision history

NexusShard17 at 18:16, 13 July 2021

2021-07-13T18:16:01Z

NexusShard17 at 15:01, 13 July 2021

2021-07-13T15:01:37Z

NexusShard17 at 18:32, 24 June 2021

2021-06-24T18:32:10Z

S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47: /* Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT */

2021-06-18T08:20:34Z

Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT

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	:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)
			I think as far as the combining elder goes, "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" has a slight lead. I will move it unless anyone else wishes to provide counterargument. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 04:20, 18 June 2021 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000: /* Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT */

2021-06-11T01:24:42Z

Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT

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	::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000 at 01:22, 11 June 2021

2021-06-11T01:22:21Z

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	::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000: /* Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT */

2021-06-11T01:20:39Z

Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT

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	::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)

Sabrblade: /* Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT */

2021-06-09T00:56:54Z

Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT

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	:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be [[Silverbolt (BW eagle)]] ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)]] with [[Silverbolt (BW)]] redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be [[Silverbolt (BW eagle)]] ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)]] with [[Silverbolt (BW)]] redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
			:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)

ItsWalky: /* Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT */

2021-06-08T23:06:37Z

Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT

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	::::::::"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be [[Silverbolt (BW eagle)]] ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)]] with [[Silverbolt (BW)]] redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be [[Silverbolt (BW eagle)]] ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)]] with [[Silverbolt (BW)]] redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)
			::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)

ItsWalky: /* Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT */

2021-06-06T18:41:27Z

Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT

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	::::::Yeah, even though it was just one year before the Fuzor was released, Eagle Silverbolt was still the one and only "Silverbolt (BW)" during that time. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 11:44, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::Yeah, even though it was just one year before the Fuzor was released, Eagle Silverbolt was still the one and only "Silverbolt (BW)" during that time. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 11:44, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
			:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be [[Silverbolt (BW eagle)]] ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)]] with [[Silverbolt (BW)]] redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)

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	:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)
			I think as far as the combining elder goes, "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" has a slight lead. I will move it unless anyone else wishes to provide counterargument. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 04:20, 18 June 2021 (EDT)

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	::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)

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	::It needs to be moved to a "Silverbolt" page (while we re-redisambiguate the Fuzor), say the name is sometimes parsed as Silver Bolt, include the toy, and include Earth Wars. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::It needs to be moved to a "Silverbolt" page (while we re-redisambiguate the Fuzor), say the name is sometimes parsed as Silver Bolt, include the toy, and include Earth Wars. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::Honestly, the point of contention is that we need a page that doesn't pretend that non-G1 Silverbolt BW Silverbolt is something new. Eagle Silverbolt isn't a BWU character! Eagle Silverbolt was the original toy, which later fiction decided that he was the G1 guy whatever. G1 Silverbolt can still have the relevant stuff on his page, but we need a [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)]] that's the stand-alone eagle guy, because the stand-alone eagle guy has always existed. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::Honestly, the point of contention is that we need a page that doesn't pretend that non-G1 Silverbolt BW Silverbolt is something new. Eagle Silverbolt isn't a BWU character! Eagle Silverbolt was the original toy, which later fiction decided that he was the G1 guy whatever. G1 Silverbolt can still have the relevant stuff on his page, but we need a [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)]] that's the stand-alone eagle guy, because the stand-alone eagle guy has always existed. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::I dunno, is it really worth moving it when there's already a name that doesn't need extra disambiguation? Nobody searching for "Silverbolt (BW)" is ever going to be thinking of the eagle. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		:::I dunno, is it really worth moving it when there's already a name that doesn't need extra disambiguation? Nobody searching for Silverbolt (BW) is ever going to be thinking of the eagle. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::You literally just now had to tell me [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|Silver Bolt]] exists. On that point alone I think it's necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:56, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::You literally just now had to tell me [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|Silver Bolt]] exists. On that point alone I think it's necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:56, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::Another option is [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)]] since that's a parenthetical on equal footing with "Fuzor." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:59, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::Another option is [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)]] since that's a parenthetical on equal footing with "Fuzor." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:59, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
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	::::I agree with Walky's premise that the ''Beast Wars'' toy bio continuity has no proof that the Magnaboss members are not generic nameslaps. What I propose is a revival of our old page for new material. Restore the page "Silverbolt (Magnaboss)", combine the material from "Silver Bolt", and add on the new ''Earth Wars'' material. In this way, the updated "Silverbolt (Magnaboss)" page is the primary page for the toy while "Silverbolt (G1)/toys" contains a note that the eagle toy was "repurposed" in 2006 IDW continuity as a body for G1 Silverbolt. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 11:17, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::I agree with Walky's premise that the ''Beast Wars'' toy bio continuity has no proof that the Magnaboss members are not generic nameslaps. What I propose is a revival of our old page for new material. Restore the page "Silverbolt (Magnaboss)", combine the material from "Silver Bolt", and add on the new ''Earth Wars'' material. In this way, the updated "Silverbolt (Magnaboss)" page is the primary page for the toy while "Silverbolt (G1)/toys" contains a note that the eagle toy was "repurposed" in 2006 IDW continuity as a body for G1 Silverbolt. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 11:17, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::I like SHIELD Agent 47's ideas, though I like Sabrblade's (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor) page titles better for the stated reasoning. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 11:19, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::I like SHIELD Agent 47's ideas, though I like Sabrblade's (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor) page titles better for the stated reasoning. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 11:19, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::::Yeah, even though it was just one year before the Fuzor was released, Eagle Silverbolt was still the one and only "Silverbolt (BW)" during that time. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 11:44, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::Yeah, even though it was just one year before the Fuzor was released, Eagle Silverbolt was still the one and only Silverbolt (BW) during that time. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 11:44, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]] with "Silverbolt (BW)" redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]] with Silverbolt (BW) redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)
	I think as far as the combining elder goes, "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" has a slight lead. I will move it unless anyone else wishes to provide counterargument. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 04:20, 18 June 2021 (EDT)		I think as far as the combining elder goes, "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" has a slight lead. I will move it unless anyone else wishes to provide counterargument. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 04:20, 18 June 2021 (EDT)

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	:[[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|The page you are wanting to see created already exists.]] --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:41, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		:[[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|The page you are wanting to see created already exists.]] --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:41, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::It needs to be moved to a "Silverbolt" page (while we re-redisambiguate the Fuzor), say the name is sometimes parsed as Silver Bolt, include the toy, and include Earth Wars. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::It needs to be moved to a "Silverbolt" page (while we re-redisambiguate the Fuzor), say the name is sometimes parsed as Silver Bolt, include the toy, and include Earth Wars. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::Honestly, the point of contention is that we need a page that doesn't pretend that non-G1 Silverbolt BW Silverbolt is something new. Eagle Silverbolt isn't a BWU character! Eagle Silverbolt was the original toy, which later fiction decided that he was the G1 guy whatever. G1 Silverbolt can still have the relevant stuff on his page, but we need a [[Silverbolt (BW)]] that's the stand-alone eagle guy, because the stand-alone eagle guy has always existed. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::Honestly, the point of contention is that we need a page that doesn't pretend that non-G1 Silverbolt BW Silverbolt is something new. Eagle Silverbolt isn't a BWU character! Eagle Silverbolt was the original toy, which later fiction decided that he was the G1 guy whatever. G1 Silverbolt can still have the relevant stuff on his page, but we need a [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)]] that's the stand-alone eagle guy, because the stand-alone eagle guy has always existed. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::I dunno, is it really worth moving it when there's already a name that doesn't need extra disambiguation? Nobody searching for "Silverbolt (BW)" is ever going to be thinking of the eagle. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		:::I dunno, is it really worth moving it when there's already a name that doesn't need extra disambiguation? Nobody searching for "Silverbolt (BW)" is ever going to be thinking of the eagle. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::You literally just now had to tell me [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|Silver Bolt]] exists. On that point alone I think it's necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:56, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::You literally just now had to tell me [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|Silver Bolt]] exists. On that point alone I think it's necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:56, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
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	::::::Yeah, even though it was just one year before the Fuzor was released, Eagle Silverbolt was still the one and only "Silverbolt (BW)" during that time. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 11:44, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::Yeah, even though it was just one year before the Fuzor was released, Eagle Silverbolt was still the one and only "Silverbolt (BW)" during that time. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 11:44, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be [[Silverbolt (BW eagle)]] ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)]] with [[Silverbolt (BW)]] redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::I'm still thinking that it should be "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]] with "Silverbolt (BW)" redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::::::(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)
	I think as far as the combining elder goes, "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" has a slight lead. I will move it unless anyone else wishes to provide counterargument. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 04:20, 18 June 2021 (EDT)		I think as far as the combining elder goes, "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" has a slight lead. I will move it unless anyone else wishes to provide counterargument. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 04:20, 18 June 2021 (EDT)

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	[https://twitter.com/TFU_INFO/status/1401003626378797057] let's do this, let's split out the page let's do it now let's do it c'mon --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 22:40, 4 June 2021 (EDT)		[https://twitter.com/TFU_INFO/status/1401003626378797057] let's do this, let's split out the page let's do it now let's do it c'mon --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 22:40, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
	: he can join [[Dent]] who is just BW Lion Prowl --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 22:41, 4 June 2021 (EDT)		: he can join [[Dent]] who is just BW Lion Prowl --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 22:41, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
	:: Maybe fold it into [[Silver Bolt]]'s page somehow?[[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 22:55, 4 June 2021 (EDT)		:: Maybe fold it into [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|Silver Bolt]]'s page somehow?[[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 22:55, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::Absolutely not on splitting out all of the material from the page. We're well past the era of using extremely minor things like mobile game profiles to justify old bones of contention. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 23:15, 4 June 2021 (EDT)		:::Absolutely not on splitting out all of the material from the page. We're well past the era of using extremely minor things like mobile game profiles to justify old bones of contention. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 23:15, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::: I think there's a precedent here with how BWU has already established there being a version of Silverbolt who's his own guy and not a future version of G1 Silverbolt. I mean, it'd be silly to put ''that'' into this page, right? [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 23:22, 4 June 2021 (EDT)		:::: I think there's a precedent here with how BWU has already established there being a version of Silverbolt who's his own guy and not a future version of G1 Silverbolt. I mean, it'd be silly to put ''that'' into this page, right? [[User:Grum\|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum\|talk]]) 23:22, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
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	by splitting out the page I mean mostly "creating a page for non-Silverbolt Silverbolt with his toy on it," since most of the BW Silverbolt stuff on this page is specifically the G1 guy version)--[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 08:49, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		by splitting out the page I mean mostly "creating a page for non-Silverbolt Silverbolt with his toy on it," since most of the BW Silverbolt stuff on this page is specifically the G1 guy version)--[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 08:49, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	:[[~~Silver Bolt~~\|The page you are wanting to see created already exists.]] --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:41, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		:[[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|The page you are wanting to see created already exists.]] --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:41, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::It needs to be moved to a "Silverbolt" page (while we re-redisambiguate the Fuzor), say the name is sometimes parsed as Silver Bolt, include the toy, and include Earth Wars. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::It needs to be moved to a "Silverbolt" page (while we re-redisambiguate the Fuzor), say the name is sometimes parsed as Silver Bolt, include the toy, and include Earth Wars. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::Honestly, the point of contention is that we need a page that doesn't pretend that non-G1 Silverbolt BW Silverbolt is something new. Eagle Silverbolt isn't a BWU character! Eagle Silverbolt was the original toy, which later fiction decided that he was the G1 guy whatever. G1 Silverbolt can still have the relevant stuff on his page, but we need a [[Silverbolt (BW)]] that's the stand-alone eagle guy, because the stand-alone eagle guy has always existed. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::Honestly, the point of contention is that we need a page that doesn't pretend that non-G1 Silverbolt BW Silverbolt is something new. Eagle Silverbolt isn't a BWU character! Eagle Silverbolt was the original toy, which later fiction decided that he was the G1 guy whatever. G1 Silverbolt can still have the relevant stuff on his page, but we need a [[Silverbolt (BW)]] that's the stand-alone eagle guy, because the stand-alone eagle guy has always existed. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	:::I dunno, is it really worth moving it when there's already a name that doesn't need extra disambiguation? Nobody searching for "Silverbolt (BW)" is ever going to be thinking of the eagle. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		:::I dunno, is it really worth moving it when there's already a name that doesn't need extra disambiguation? Nobody searching for "Silverbolt (BW)" is ever going to be thinking of the eagle. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::You literally just now had to tell me [[Silver Bolt]] exists. On that point alone I think it's necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:56, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::You literally just now had to tell me [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)\|Silver Bolt]] exists. On that point alone I think it's necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:56, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
	::::Another option is [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)]] since that's a parenthetical on equal footing with "Fuzor." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:59, 5 June 2021 (EDT)		::::Another option is [[Silverbolt (Magnaboss)]] since that's a parenthetical on equal footing with "Fuzor." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 10:59, 5 June 2021 (EDT)