Talk:Sky-Byte (RID) - Revision history

FishpopUK: New thread? asking about there not being an image of Sky-Byte Rail Racer cosplay on the page.

2025-06-09T11:09:57Z

New thread? asking about there not being an image of Sky-Byte Rail Racer cosplay on the page.

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	:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the main thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)		:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the main thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)
	::Just stating here for the record, but Japanese Wikipedia states that "Geldam" is a nonsense word, and it seems feasible that the Zelda names were just nodding to that. I've added a note that brings up the possible connection. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 23:49, 24 January 2022 (EST)		::Just stating here for the record, but Japanese Wikipedia states that "Geldam" is a nonsense word, and it seems feasible that the Zelda names were just nodding to that. I've added a note that brings up the possible connection. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 23:49, 24 January 2022 (EST)

			==Rail Racer Cosplay==
			Noticed the page lacks the screenshot of that time he "dressed" as Rail Racer (He actually just had 3 trains strapped to his back) while all his other times playing dress-up are shown.
			Granted there's a lot of images already but this feels like the sole omission aside from maybe him holding up the tower. [[User:FishpopUK\|FishpopUK]] ([[User talk:FishpopUK\|talk]]) 07:09, 9 June 2025 (EDT)

Broadside: /* Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker? */

2022-01-25T04:49:44Z

Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker?

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	I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)		I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)
	:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the main thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)		:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the main thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)
			::Just stating here for the record, but Japanese Wikipedia states that "Geldam" is a nonsense word, and it seems feasible that the Zelda names were just nodding to that. I've added a note that brings up the possible connection. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 23:49, 24 January 2022 (EST)

Sabrblade: /* Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker? */

2022-01-25T00:10:55Z

Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker?

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	I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)		I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)
	:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the ~~mian~~ thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)		:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the main thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)

Sabrblade: /* Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker? */

2022-01-25T00:09:40Z

Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker?

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	I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)		I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)
			:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the mian thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)

MCRG at 20:43, 24 January 2022

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	Sorry about that, [[User:Sockie\|Sockie]]. I misread the diff and thought you had removed the entire summary of that issue. My bad. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep\|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep\|talk]]) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)		Sorry about that, [[User:Sockie\|Sockie]]. I misread the diff and thought you had removed the entire summary of that issue. My bad. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep\|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep\|talk]]) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)

	===Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker?===		==Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker?==
	I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)		I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)

MCRG: Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker?

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	Sorry about that, [[User:Sockie\|Sockie]]. I misread the diff and thought you had removed the entire summary of that issue. My bad. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep\|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep\|talk]]) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)		Sorry about that, [[User:Sockie\|Sockie]]. I misread the diff and thought you had removed the entire summary of that issue. My bad. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep\|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep\|talk]]) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)

			===Gelshark nod to Gel Shocker?===
			I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)

Saix: clean up, replaced: → (21), Slapper (Universe) → Slapper (RID), Sky-Byte (G2) → Sky-Byte (RID)

2016-09-21T23:14:48Z

clean up, replaced: → (21), Slapper (Universe) → Slapper (RID), Sky-Byte (G2) → Sky-Byte (RID)

Saix at 22:10, 21 September 2016

2016-09-21T22:10:44Z

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	Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):		Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):
	: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)		: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)

			==Talk:Sky-Byte (G2)==
			"A timelines addition to the G2 portion of the Generation One continuity?" This note seems really convoluted to me!--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 19:48, 23 April 2010 (EDT)
			:Plus... I had gotten the impression that since Timelines itself isn't a continuity, it made more sense to go with the ''actual'' continuity anyway. I would take advantage of the fiction naming in this case being fairly clear and just go "From the Generation 2 Redux portion of the Generation 1 continuity family" personally... --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 20:30, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

			Being an animal-former (sort of) created by the Quintessons in an offshoot of the G1 cartoon continuity, wouldn't he be a Predacon (G1) rather than a Predacon (BW)? --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 09:24, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
			:He has Predacon (BW) symbols. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

			===Repurposing===

			Can it be suggested the RID toy was repurposed into this version? The design is almost identical to the original. [[User:Eire]]
			: That is untrue. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
			::The image for the new comic suggests otherwise. Unless perhaps the two Sky-Bytes are to be considered the same. I'm starting to think Takara's retcon can be applied to Wings charachters like this guy and Sideburn--[[User:BlackStarscream\|BlackStarscream]] 15:06, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::They are similar designs. They are clearly not the same design. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 12:10, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
			::::Correct. They transform very differently. IDW Sky-Byte doesn't have a fake shark-head chest, he has a real shark-head chest. The kibble on his back aren't shell-like halves of his tail, they're his wings. Plus lots of other small detail differences and placements of things. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:14, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::::Honestly haven't read the comic nor am I familiar with the mold (aside from a couple of releases it went through.) However should we then still mention that the appearance is at least BASED on RID Skybyte? But I noticed that in terms of appearance BW Longrack and Cybertron Longrack also vary somewhat (though from what I know Longrack doesn't transform in the Gathering/Ascending comics so idk if transformation is the ultimate basis of whether it counts as repurposing or not.)--[[User:BlackStarscream\|BlackStarscream]] 15:06, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
			::::::Generally, notes like "this newer version of the character is based on the older version of the character" are considered, well, obvious. But I think it's okay to have along with the sourced note. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

			=== Generations ===

			So, which is it? Does IDW not use that design? Are Predacon and NAIL incompatible, in which case we're going to need pages for Dreadwing (IDW), Waspinator (IDW), Tankor (IDW), etc.? Does he come with some kind of RiD comic I've not heard of up in [[Canada\|the land of no pack-in comics]]? Please, elucidate me. [[User:Pirateblue\|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue\|talk]]) 16:54, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			:He doesn't use that design, and the bio is specifically based on the Robots in Disguise cartoon version of him.[[User:Antimatter\|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter\|talk]]) 17:05, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			::Doesn't he? My comics are kinda out of reach at the moment, but he sure looks like he does. Meanwhile, the non-matching bio applies just as much to Waspinator, Tankor, Armada Starscream, Scoop, and so on and so forth. [[User:Pirateblue\|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue\|talk]]) 17:12, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			:::The comics continue to use the Andrew Griffith design that predates the toy by two years. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 17:17, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			::::The toy actually adopts at least part of that design, just saying. But here's a compromise: we have the Generations toy with a repurpose note, and the Legends toy is technically this guy in the first place. [[User:Pirateblue\|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue\|talk]]) 17:56, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			:::::Well, the toy and the Griffith design look similar, sure, because they're both inspired by the original RID Sky-Byte design. But as far as I can see, the toy doesn't use any design elements that are unique to the Griffith model. We can't say that the T30 toy is repurposed as G1 Sky-Byte until, y'know, it's repurposed as G1 Sky-Byte. And the Legends toy probably wouldn't go on here, in the same way that, say, we haven't put the RID Guushar toy on [[Slapper (Universe)\|Slapper (G1)]]. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 18:22, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			::::::Well the thing is in the US Generations Thrilling 30 is partly tied to IDW; thus Sky Bite's release is in part due to appearing in the IDW comics. It also complicates things that Takara's Legends Gelshark has no ties to IDW but is a G1 character. At this point I'm not entirely sure what logical way if any there is to organize this but the Generations toy should have some tie to wherever we mention the IDW appearance of Sky-Byte. We could move the IDW specific info to the RID page (which would break our way of keeping non RID specific info as separate) or just add the Generations toy in here. If as mentioned guys like Armada Starscream used as a template, then Generations Sky-Byte is pretty much the IDW character repurposed into the RID character (odd as that seems). {{unsigned\|BlackStarscream}}
			:::::::Only the T30 Deluxes have that 100% link to the IDW G1 universe, due to their pack-in comics, and just because the Voyagers are part of the same line doesn't mean they're the same situation. As it is, the only connection the T30 Sky-Byte toy has to IDW G1 is its packaging art being used on a cover, which doesn't have any in-universe significance. And for the record, the wiki considers T30 Armada Starscream to be the ''Armada'' character repurposed (by his pack-in comic) into the G1 character, as his package bio describes the ''Armada'' guy (not to mention the toy's name). [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 20:36, 15 December 2014 (EST)
			:::::::::The new Sky-Byte toy has the right-wrist blaster that the art from 2 years earlier introduced, I'd say that's enough. So how, again, is this not just as much of a repurposing as Armada G1 Starscream was? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 07:59, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::The more I think about it, the more it seems like a random omission to me. The Generations Voyager Sky-Byte toy includes the wrist-blaster that was introduced in the ex-RID comic body model and that exists in no other media. The rest of the body looks pretty solid as the same character too - and whether that was due to them both being designed at the same time or convergent evolution, from an information-gathering standpoint what's the difference? I really think the Gen toy should go on this page. Can someone explain why not, please? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:07, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::Another example of the pile of the cracks showing in our classification system... Sky-Byte is Sky-Byte is Sky-Byte... - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:26, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::I think the best argument I could think of for why I think the new Sky-Byte toy should be on this page is, what other reason would there really be for Sky-Byte to show up other than to promote his new toy? (Yes, I'm sure we can come up with a million other reason, but keeping in mind that Transformers is a merchandise-driven franchise, Sky-Byte showing up in media while he has a new toy out should be taken as an obvious hint that one is related to the other.) --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 16:30, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::Well, for starters, his comic appearance was two years in advance of his toy, so there's not really much if any promotion going on there (I think it was just more of a role needing to be filled, and a reference to the other RiD being made). Regardless, I seem to recall Griffith heavily implying the toy was based off of his comic design. I say it goes on here. --[[User:Sockie\|Sockie]] ([[User talk:Sockie\|talk]]) 16:46, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::::: I phrased my statement poorly. I basically just meant that guys are appearing in the comic because they have toys and toys are being made because the characters are in the comics. I'm sure one of the many reasons the Sky-Byte toy got made was because they already had already made "advertisements" for it in the comic. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 17:04, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::::Jiminez's box art for the ''Generations'' toy was certainly used as one of the IDW Dark Cybertron variant covers. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:48, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::::At this point I'm definitely inclined to say 'sure, why not?', especially considering the 'if it looks like a duck...' approach we're now taking for "Iocus" figures. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 17:05, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::::::This. Exactly this. I have a really hard time wrapping my brain around the idea of "Treadbolt is a repurpose of Treadbolt" when they're the same toy and the same bio. I just don't see how it makes Transformers easier to understand. We seem to take it as an article of faith that if someone shows up in Robots in Disguise and G1 they are axiomatically two different guys, and that seems like the wrong approach. Especially since some universes (War for Cybertron, Robots in Disguise) can be in two continuity families at once. Especially since we now have canon specifically stating that certain characters are "the same" even though they're in two different continuity families. I think adopting a "if it looks like a duck" attitude would be fantastic, much cleaner and clearer than the current approach. Go case by case, cut down on the clutter, and find out about someone's adventures across ALL realities. --[[User:Giggidy\|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy\|talk]]) 17:22, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::::::<nowiki>#MergeTheSkyBytes2015</nowiki> [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 17:25, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::::::::I was just wanting to see the Generations toy on this page. As for actually merging the two Sky-Byte pages, I don't really have anything to input on that discussion. Put me down as neutral on that affair. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 17:32, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::::::::I would never support wholly merging the two pages - the character histories and dimensions of origin are too different. All I'm saying is that if you use a toy as a dude, then the toy is that dude. Sometimes Optimus Primal toys represent Optimus Prime, but we would never merge those pages. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 17:41, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			I wasn't all that serious here, but this page already contains two wholly different characterizations... [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 18:35, 25 September 2015 (EDT)

			=== Bio ===

			Can someone who's good at writing bios please expand this one? It's way too short. [[User:Abejorro97\|Abejorro97]] ([[User talk:Abejorro97\|talk]]) 12:55, 1 November 2015 (EST)

			:It's short because most of Sky-Byte's characterization varies between portrayals. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi\|talk]]) 14:56, 2 November 2015 (EST)
			::I've expanded it a bit while hopefully still keeping it vague enough to fit all his appearances. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 18:49, 2 November 2015 (EST)

			===Oops===
			Sorry about that, [[User:Sockie\|Sockie]]. I misread the diff and thought you had removed the entire summary of that issue. My bad. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep\|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep\|talk]]) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)

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	::Although we haven't seen Gelshark in packaging yet, so that user was probably going off names used by online stores... [[User:Mimi\|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi\|talk]]) 08:40, 19 September 2014 (EDT)		::Although we haven't seen Gelshark in packaging yet, so that user was probably going off names used by online stores... [[User:Mimi\|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi\|talk]]) 08:40, 19 September 2014 (EDT)
	::: Sorry, that was my mistake. I was indeed going off the names posted on online stores. [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 20:59, 3 December 2014 (EST)		::: Sorry, that was my mistake. I was indeed going off the names posted on online stores. [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 20:59, 3 December 2014 (EST)
			::::The box does say "Sky-Byte," but don't all the Legends boxes include the English names? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 23:15, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

	==LG06 Pack-in comic==		==LG06 Pack-in comic==
	Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):		Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):
	: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)		: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)

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	==LG06 Pack-in comic==		==LG06 Pack-in comic==
	Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST)		Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):
			: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)

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	I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)		I know production info for RiD/Car Robots is fairly sparse, but has there ever been mention that Gelshark (ゲルシャーク) might be a weird joke/nod to Gel Shocker (ゲルショッカー) from the original Kamen Rider series? He also shares the same orangey yellow and blue colors as Gel Shocker minions ("Gel Shocker Combatmen"). It's a weird thing I ran I across, but like I said, background Car Robots info is sparse; I can't back it up, but it would explain the name.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 January 2022 (EST)
	:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the main thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)		:I'm not so sure. While both do have the same "Gel" part of their name, the "Gel" in "Gel Shocker" comes from "Geldam" (ゲルダム), which was a desert-based organization, while Gelshark doesn't really have much of a desert theme to his character or design. I bring this up because Geldam's name is very similar to that of the Legend of Zelda enemies "Geldman" (ゲルドマン) and "Geldarm" (ゲルドアーム), which are both desert-based enemies. And, the desert-dwelling Gerudo tribe of the same series is also spelled like ゲルド, using the same ゲル ("Gel"/"Geru") as all of the above. But, the main thing that Geldam, Geldman, Geldarm, and the Gerudo all have in common is their locked-in affiliation with deserts, which is the one thing that makes Gelshark the odd one out. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:09, 24 January 2022 (EST)
			::Just stating here for the record, but Japanese Wikipedia states that "Geldam" is a nonsense word, and it seems feasible that the Zelda names were just nodding to that. I've added a note that brings up the possible connection. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 23:49, 24 January 2022 (EST)

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	Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):		Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):
	: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)		: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)

			==Talk:Sky-Byte (G2)==
			"A timelines addition to the G2 portion of the Generation One continuity?" This note seems really convoluted to me!--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 19:48, 23 April 2010 (EDT)
			:Plus... I had gotten the impression that since Timelines itself isn't a continuity, it made more sense to go with the ''actual'' continuity anyway. I would take advantage of the fiction naming in this case being fairly clear and just go "From the Generation 2 Redux portion of the Generation 1 continuity family" personally... --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 20:30, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

			Being an animal-former (sort of) created by the Quintessons in an offshoot of the G1 cartoon continuity, wouldn't he be a Predacon (G1) rather than a Predacon (BW)? --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 09:24, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
			:He has Predacon (BW) symbols. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

			===Repurposing===

			Can it be suggested the RID toy was repurposed into this version? The design is almost identical to the original. [[User:Eire]]
			: That is untrue. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
			::The image for the new comic suggests otherwise. Unless perhaps the two Sky-Bytes are to be considered the same. I'm starting to think Takara's retcon can be applied to Wings charachters like this guy and Sideburn--[[User:BlackStarscream\|BlackStarscream]] 15:06, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::They are similar designs. They are clearly not the same design. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 12:10, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
			::::Correct. They transform very differently. IDW Sky-Byte doesn't have a fake shark-head chest, he has a real shark-head chest. The kibble on his back aren't shell-like halves of his tail, they're his wings. Plus lots of other small detail differences and placements of things. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:14, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::::Honestly haven't read the comic nor am I familiar with the mold (aside from a couple of releases it went through.) However should we then still mention that the appearance is at least BASED on RID Skybyte? But I noticed that in terms of appearance BW Longrack and Cybertron Longrack also vary somewhat (though from what I know Longrack doesn't transform in the Gathering/Ascending comics so idk if transformation is the ultimate basis of whether it counts as repurposing or not.)--[[User:BlackStarscream\|BlackStarscream]] 15:06, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
			::::::Generally, notes like "this newer version of the character is based on the older version of the character" are considered, well, obvious. But I think it's okay to have along with the sourced note. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

			=== Generations ===

			So, which is it? Does IDW not use that design? Are Predacon and NAIL incompatible, in which case we're going to need pages for Dreadwing (IDW), Waspinator (IDW), Tankor (IDW), etc.? Does he come with some kind of RiD comic I've not heard of up in [[Canada\|the land of no pack-in comics]]? Please, elucidate me. [[User:Pirateblue\|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue\|talk]]) 16:54, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			:He doesn't use that design, and the bio is specifically based on the Robots in Disguise cartoon version of him.[[User:Antimatter\|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter\|talk]]) 17:05, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			::Doesn't he? My comics are kinda out of reach at the moment, but he sure looks like he does. Meanwhile, the non-matching bio applies just as much to Waspinator, Tankor, Armada Starscream, Scoop, and so on and so forth. [[User:Pirateblue\|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue\|talk]]) 17:12, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			:::The comics continue to use the Andrew Griffith design that predates the toy by two years. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 17:17, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			::::The toy actually adopts at least part of that design, just saying. But here's a compromise: we have the Generations toy with a repurpose note, and the Legends toy is technically this guy in the first place. [[User:Pirateblue\|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue\|talk]]) 17:56, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			:::::Well, the toy and the Griffith design look similar, sure, because they're both inspired by the original RID Sky-Byte design. But as far as I can see, the toy doesn't use any design elements that are unique to the Griffith model. We can't say that the T30 toy is repurposed as G1 Sky-Byte until, y'know, it's repurposed as G1 Sky-Byte. And the Legends toy probably wouldn't go on here, in the same way that, say, we haven't put the RID Guushar toy on [[Slapper (Universe)\|Slapper (G1)]]. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 18:22, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
			::::::Well the thing is in the US Generations Thrilling 30 is partly tied to IDW; thus Sky Bite's release is in part due to appearing in the IDW comics. It also complicates things that Takara's Legends Gelshark has no ties to IDW but is a G1 character. At this point I'm not entirely sure what logical way if any there is to organize this but the Generations toy should have some tie to wherever we mention the IDW appearance of Sky-Byte. We could move the IDW specific info to the RID page (which would break our way of keeping non RID specific info as separate) or just add the Generations toy in here. If as mentioned guys like Armada Starscream used as a template, then Generations Sky-Byte is pretty much the IDW character repurposed into the RID character (odd as that seems). {{unsigned\|BlackStarscream}}
			:::::::Only the T30 Deluxes have that 100% link to the IDW G1 universe, due to their pack-in comics, and just because the Voyagers are part of the same line doesn't mean they're the same situation. As it is, the only connection the T30 Sky-Byte toy has to IDW G1 is its packaging art being used on a cover, which doesn't have any in-universe significance. And for the record, the wiki considers T30 Armada Starscream to be the ''Armada'' character repurposed (by his pack-in comic) into the G1 character, as his package bio describes the ''Armada'' guy (not to mention the toy's name). [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 20:36, 15 December 2014 (EST)
			:::::::::The new Sky-Byte toy has the right-wrist blaster that the art from 2 years earlier introduced, I'd say that's enough. So how, again, is this not just as much of a repurposing as Armada G1 Starscream was? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 07:59, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::The more I think about it, the more it seems like a random omission to me. The Generations Voyager Sky-Byte toy includes the wrist-blaster that was introduced in the ex-RID comic body model and that exists in no other media. The rest of the body looks pretty solid as the same character too - and whether that was due to them both being designed at the same time or convergent evolution, from an information-gathering standpoint what's the difference? I really think the Gen toy should go on this page. Can someone explain why not, please? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:07, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::Another example of the pile of the cracks showing in our classification system... Sky-Byte is Sky-Byte is Sky-Byte... - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:26, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::I think the best argument I could think of for why I think the new Sky-Byte toy should be on this page is, what other reason would there really be for Sky-Byte to show up other than to promote his new toy? (Yes, I'm sure we can come up with a million other reason, but keeping in mind that Transformers is a merchandise-driven franchise, Sky-Byte showing up in media while he has a new toy out should be taken as an obvious hint that one is related to the other.) --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 16:30, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::Well, for starters, his comic appearance was two years in advance of his toy, so there's not really much if any promotion going on there (I think it was just more of a role needing to be filled, and a reference to the other RiD being made). Regardless, I seem to recall Griffith heavily implying the toy was based off of his comic design. I say it goes on here. --[[User:Sockie\|Sockie]] ([[User talk:Sockie\|talk]]) 16:46, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::::: I phrased my statement poorly. I basically just meant that guys are appearing in the comic because they have toys and toys are being made because the characters are in the comics. I'm sure one of the many reasons the Sky-Byte toy got made was because they already had already made "advertisements" for it in the comic. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 17:04, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::::Jiminez's box art for the ''Generations'' toy was certainly used as one of the IDW Dark Cybertron variant covers. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:48, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::::At this point I'm definitely inclined to say 'sure, why not?', especially considering the 'if it looks like a duck...' approach we're now taking for "Iocus" figures. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 17:05, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::::::This. Exactly this. I have a really hard time wrapping my brain around the idea of "Treadbolt is a repurpose of Treadbolt" when they're the same toy and the same bio. I just don't see how it makes Transformers easier to understand. We seem to take it as an article of faith that if someone shows up in Robots in Disguise and G1 they are axiomatically two different guys, and that seems like the wrong approach. Especially since some universes (War for Cybertron, Robots in Disguise) can be in two continuity families at once. Especially since we now have canon specifically stating that certain characters are "the same" even though they're in two different continuity families. I think adopting a "if it looks like a duck" attitude would be fantastic, much cleaner and clearer than the current approach. Go case by case, cut down on the clutter, and find out about someone's adventures across ALL realities. --[[User:Giggidy\|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy\|talk]]) 17:22, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::::::<nowiki>#MergeTheSkyBytes2015</nowiki> [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 17:25, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			::::::::::::::::::I was just wanting to see the Generations toy on this page. As for actually merging the two Sky-Byte pages, I don't really have anything to input on that discussion. Put me down as neutral on that affair. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 17:32, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			:::::::::::::::::::I would never support wholly merging the two pages - the character histories and dimensions of origin are too different. All I'm saying is that if you use a toy as a dude, then the toy is that dude. Sometimes Optimus Primal toys represent Optimus Prime, but we would never merge those pages. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 17:41, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
			I wasn't all that serious here, but this page already contains two wholly different characterizations... [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 18:35, 25 September 2015 (EDT)

			=== Bio ===

			Can someone who's good at writing bios please expand this one? It's way too short. [[User:Abejorro97\|Abejorro97]] ([[User talk:Abejorro97\|talk]]) 12:55, 1 November 2015 (EST)

			:It's short because most of Sky-Byte's characterization varies between portrayals. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi\|talk]]) 14:56, 2 November 2015 (EST)
			::I've expanded it a bit while hopefully still keeping it vague enough to fit all his appearances. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 18:49, 2 November 2015 (EST)

			===Oops===
			Sorry about that, [[User:Sockie\|Sockie]]. I misread the diff and thought you had removed the entire summary of that issue. My bad. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep\|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep\|talk]]) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)

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	::Although we haven't seen Gelshark in packaging yet, so that user was probably going off names used by online stores... [[User:Mimi\|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi\|talk]]) 08:40, 19 September 2014 (EDT)		::Although we haven't seen Gelshark in packaging yet, so that user was probably going off names used by online stores... [[User:Mimi\|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi\|talk]]) 08:40, 19 September 2014 (EDT)
	::: Sorry, that was my mistake. I was indeed going off the names posted on online stores. [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 20:59, 3 December 2014 (EST)		::: Sorry, that was my mistake. I was indeed going off the names posted on online stores. [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 20:59, 3 December 2014 (EST)
			::::The box does say "Sky-Byte," but don't all the Legends boxes include the English names? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 23:15, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

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	Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):		Should we include a scan of Gelshark "cosplaying" as AOE Prime next to the recently added note? I could scan my copy of the pack-in comic and crop the image to just show that panel, but perhaps there is a higher resolution version of the comic available online? Maybe the TT website? If not I'll just scan the pack in comic [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 23:48, 17 January 2015 (EST):
	: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)		: I added the image myself. Really adds to the page imo [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 15:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)

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	::Although we haven't seen Gelshark in packaging yet, so that user was probably going off names used by online stores... [[User:Mimi\|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi\|talk]]) 08:40, 19 September 2014 (EDT)		::Although we haven't seen Gelshark in packaging yet, so that user was probably going off names used by online stores... [[User:Mimi\|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi\|talk]]) 08:40, 19 September 2014 (EDT)
	::: Sorry, that was my mistake. I was indeed going off the names posted on online stores. [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 20:59, 3 December 2014 (EST)		::: Sorry, that was my mistake. I was indeed going off the names posted on online stores. [[User:GelsharkTown\|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown\|talk]]) 20:59, 3 December 2014 (EST)
	::::The box does say "Sky-Byte," but don't all the Legends boxes include the English names? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 23:15, 29 September 2015 (EDT)		::::The box does say "Sky-Byte," but don't all the Legends boxes include the English names? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 23:15, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

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	:Plus... I had gotten the impression that since Timelines itself isn't a continuity, it made more sense to go with the ''actual'' continuity anyway. I would take advantage of the fiction naming in this case being fairly clear and just go "From the Generation 2 Redux portion of the Generation 1 continuity family" personally... --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 20:30, 23 April 2010 (EDT)		:Plus... I had gotten the impression that since Timelines itself isn't a continuity, it made more sense to go with the ''actual'' continuity anyway. I would take advantage of the fiction naming in this case being fairly clear and just go "From the Generation 2 Redux portion of the Generation 1 continuity family" personally... --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 20:30, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

	Being an animal-former (sort of) created by the Quintessons in an offshoot of the G1 cartoon continuity, wouldn't he be a Predacon (G1) rather than a Predacon (BW)? --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 09:24, 13 June 2011 (EDT)		Being an animal-former (sort of) created by the Quintessons in an offshoot of the G1 cartoon continuity, wouldn't he be a Predacon (G1) rather than a Predacon (BW)? --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 09:24, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
	:He has Predacon (BW) symbols. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 June 2011 (EDT)		:He has Predacon (BW) symbols. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

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	Can it be suggested the RID toy was repurposed into this version? The design is almost identical to the original. [[User:Eire]]		Can it be suggested the RID toy was repurposed into this version? The design is almost identical to the original. [[User:Eire]]
	: That is untrue. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 29 May 2012 (EDT)		: That is untrue. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
	::The image for the new comic suggests otherwise. Unless perhaps the two Sky-Bytes are to be considered the same. I'm starting to think Takara's retcon can be applied to Wings charachters like this guy and Sideburn--[[User:BlackStarscream\|BlackStarscream]] 15:06, 3 June 2012 (EDT)		::The image for the new comic suggests otherwise. Unless perhaps the two Sky-Bytes are to be considered the same. I'm starting to think Takara's retcon can be applied to Wings charachters like this guy and Sideburn--[[User:BlackStarscream\|BlackStarscream]] 15:06, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
	:::They are similar designs. They are clearly not the same design. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 12:10, 3 June 2012 (EDT)		:::They are similar designs. They are clearly not the same design. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 12:10, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
	::::Correct. They transform very differently. IDW Sky-Byte doesn't have a fake shark-head chest, he has a real shark-head chest. The kibble on his back aren't shell-like halves of his tail, they're his wings. Plus lots of other small detail differences and placements of things. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:14, 3 June 2012 (EDT)		::::Correct. They transform very differently. IDW Sky-Byte doesn't have a fake shark-head chest, he has a real shark-head chest. The kibble on his back aren't shell-like halves of his tail, they're his wings. Plus lots of other small detail differences and placements of things. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:14, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
	:::::Honestly haven't read the comic nor am I familiar with the mold (aside from a couple of releases it went through.) However should we then still mention that the appearance is at least BASED on RID Skybyte? But I noticed that in terms of appearance BW Longrack and Cybertron Longrack also vary somewhat (though from what I know Longrack doesn't transform in the Gathering/Ascending comics so idk if transformation is the ultimate basis of whether it counts as repurposing or not.)--[[User:BlackStarscream\|BlackStarscream]] 15:06, 3 June 2012 (EDT)		:::::Honestly haven't read the comic nor am I familiar with the mold (aside from a couple of releases it went through.) However should we then still mention that the appearance is at least BASED on RID Skybyte? But I noticed that in terms of appearance BW Longrack and Cybertron Longrack also vary somewhat (though from what I know Longrack doesn't transform in the Gathering/Ascending comics so idk if transformation is the ultimate basis of whether it counts as repurposing or not.)--[[User:BlackStarscream\|BlackStarscream]] 15:06, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
	::::::Generally, notes like "this newer version of the character is based on the older version of the character" are considered, well, obvious. But I think it's okay to have along with the sourced note. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 3 June 2012 (EDT)		::::::Generally, notes like "this newer version of the character is based on the older version of the character" are considered, well, obvious. But I think it's okay to have along with the sourced note. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

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	:::The comics continue to use the Andrew Griffith design that predates the toy by two years. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 17:17, 15 October 2014 (EDT)		:::The comics continue to use the Andrew Griffith design that predates the toy by two years. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 17:17, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
	::::The toy actually adopts at least part of that design, just saying. But here's a compromise: we have the Generations toy with a repurpose note, and the Legends toy is technically this guy in the first place. [[User:Pirateblue\|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue\|talk]]) 17:56, 15 October 2014 (EDT)		::::The toy actually adopts at least part of that design, just saying. But here's a compromise: we have the Generations toy with a repurpose note, and the Legends toy is technically this guy in the first place. [[User:Pirateblue\|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue\|talk]]) 17:56, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
	:::::Well, the toy and the Griffith design look similar, sure, because they're both inspired by the original RID Sky-Byte design. But as far as I can see, the toy doesn't use any design elements that are unique to the Griffith model. We can't say that the T30 toy is repurposed as G1 Sky-Byte until, y'know, it's repurposed as G1 Sky-Byte. And the Legends toy probably wouldn't go on here, in the same way that, say, we haven't put the RID Guushar toy on [[Slapper (~~Universe~~)\|Slapper (G1)]]. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 18:22, 15 October 2014 (EDT)		:::::Well, the toy and the Griffith design look similar, sure, because they're both inspired by the original RID Sky-Byte design. But as far as I can see, the toy doesn't use any design elements that are unique to the Griffith model. We can't say that the T30 toy is repurposed as G1 Sky-Byte until, y'know, it's repurposed as G1 Sky-Byte. And the Legends toy probably wouldn't go on here, in the same way that, say, we haven't put the RID Guushar toy on [[Slapper (RID)\|Slapper (G1)]]. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 18:22, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
	::::::Well the thing is in the US Generations Thrilling 30 is partly tied to IDW; thus Sky Bite's release is in part due to appearing in the IDW comics. It also complicates things that Takara's Legends Gelshark has no ties to IDW but is a G1 character. At this point I'm not entirely sure what logical way if any there is to organize this but the Generations toy should have some tie to wherever we mention the IDW appearance of Sky-Byte. We could move the IDW specific info to the RID page (which would break our way of keeping non RID specific info as separate) or just add the Generations toy in here. If as mentioned guys like Armada Starscream used as a template, then Generations Sky-Byte is pretty much the IDW character repurposed into the RID character (odd as that seems). {{unsigned\|BlackStarscream}}		::::::Well the thing is in the US Generations Thrilling 30 is partly tied to IDW; thus Sky Bite's release is in part due to appearing in the IDW comics. It also complicates things that Takara's Legends Gelshark has no ties to IDW but is a G1 character. At this point I'm not entirely sure what logical way if any there is to organize this but the Generations toy should have some tie to wherever we mention the IDW appearance of Sky-Byte. We could move the IDW specific info to the RID page (which would break our way of keeping non RID specific info as separate) or just add the Generations toy in here. If as mentioned guys like Armada Starscream used as a template, then Generations Sky-Byte is pretty much the IDW character repurposed into the RID character (odd as that seems). {{unsigned\|BlackStarscream}}
	:::::::Only the T30 Deluxes have that 100% link to the IDW G1 universe, due to their pack-in comics, and just because the Voyagers are part of the same line doesn't mean they're the same situation. As it is, the only connection the T30 Sky-Byte toy has to IDW G1 is its packaging art being used on a cover, which doesn't have any in-universe significance. And for the record, the wiki considers T30 Armada Starscream to be the ''Armada'' character repurposed (by his pack-in comic) into the G1 character, as his package bio describes the ''Armada'' guy (not to mention the toy's name). [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 20:36, 15 December 2014 (EST)		:::::::Only the T30 Deluxes have that 100% link to the IDW G1 universe, due to their pack-in comics, and just because the Voyagers are part of the same line doesn't mean they're the same situation. As it is, the only connection the T30 Sky-Byte toy has to IDW G1 is its packaging art being used on a cover, which doesn't have any in-universe significance. And for the record, the wiki considers T30 Armada Starscream to be the ''Armada'' character repurposed (by his pack-in comic) into the G1 character, as his package bio describes the ''Armada'' guy (not to mention the toy's name). [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 20:36, 15 December 2014 (EST)
	:::::::::The new Sky-Byte toy has the right-wrist blaster that the art from 2 years earlier introduced, I'd say that's enough. So how, again, is this not just as much of a repurposing as Armada G1 Starscream was? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 07:59, 20 July 2015 (EDT)		:::::::::The new Sky-Byte toy has the right-wrist blaster that the art from 2 years earlier introduced, I'd say that's enough. So how, again, is this not just as much of a repurposing as Armada G1 Starscream was? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 07:59, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
	::::::::::The more I think about it, the more it seems like a random omission to me. The Generations Voyager Sky-Byte toy includes the wrist-blaster that was introduced in the ex-RID comic body model and that exists in no other media. The rest of the body looks pretty solid as the same character too - and whether that was due to them both being designed at the same time or convergent evolution, from an information-gathering standpoint what's the difference? I really think the Gen toy should go on this page. Can someone explain why not, please? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:07, 25 September 2015 (EDT)		::::::::::The more I think about it, the more it seems like a random omission to me. The Generations Voyager Sky-Byte toy includes the wrist-blaster that was introduced in the ex-RID comic body model and that exists in no other media. The rest of the body looks pretty solid as the same character too - and whether that was due to them both being designed at the same time or convergent evolution, from an information-gathering standpoint what's the difference? I really think the Gen toy should go on this page. Can someone explain why not, please? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:07, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::::::Another example of the pile of the cracks showing in our classification system... Sky-Byte is Sky-Byte is Sky-Byte... - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:26, 25 September 2015 (EDT)		:::::::::::Another example of the pile of the cracks showing in our classification system... Sky-Byte is Sky-Byte is Sky-Byte... - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:26, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
	::::::::::::I think the best argument I could think of for why I think the new Sky-Byte toy should be on this page is, what other reason would there really be for Sky-Byte to show up other than to promote his new toy? (Yes, I'm sure we can come up with a million other reason, but keeping in mind that Transformers is a merchandise-driven franchise, Sky-Byte showing up in media while he has a new toy out should be taken as an obvious hint that one is related to the other.) --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 16:30, 25 September 2015 (EDT)		::::::::::::I think the best argument I could think of for why I think the new Sky-Byte toy should be on this page is, what other reason would there really be for Sky-Byte to show up other than to promote his new toy? (Yes, I'm sure we can come up with a million other reason, but keeping in mind that Transformers is a merchandise-driven franchise, Sky-Byte showing up in media while he has a new toy out should be taken as an obvious hint that one is related to the other.) --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 16:30, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
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	:::::::::::::::::<nowiki>#MergeTheSkyBytes2015</nowiki> [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 17:25, 25 September 2015 (EDT)		:::::::::::::::::<nowiki>#MergeTheSkyBytes2015</nowiki> [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 17:25, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
	::::::::::::::::::I was just wanting to see the Generations toy on this page. As for actually merging the two Sky-Byte pages, I don't really have anything to input on that discussion. Put me down as neutral on that affair. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 17:32, 25 September 2015 (EDT)		::::::::::::::::::I was just wanting to see the Generations toy on this page. As for actually merging the two Sky-Byte pages, I don't really have anything to input on that discussion. Put me down as neutral on that affair. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 17:32, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::::::::I would never support wholly merging the two pages - the character histories and dimensions of origin are too different. All I'm saying is that if you use a toy as a dude, then the toy is that dude. Sometimes Optimus Primal toys represent Optimus Prime, but we would never merge those pages. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 17:41, 25 September 2015 (EDT)		:::::::::::::::::::I would never support wholly merging the two pages - the character histories and dimensions of origin are too different. All I'm saying is that if you use a toy as a dude, then the toy is that dude. Sometimes Optimus Primal toys represent Optimus Prime, but we would never merge those pages. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 17:41, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
	I wasn't all that serious here, but this page already contains two wholly different characterizations... [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 18:35, 25 September 2015 (EDT)		I wasn't all that serious here, but this page already contains two wholly different characterizations... [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 18:35, 25 September 2015 (EDT)

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	Can someone who's good at writing bios please expand this one? It's way too short. [[User:Abejorro97\|Abejorro97]] ([[User talk:Abejorro97\|talk]]) 12:55, 1 November 2015 (EST)		Can someone who's good at writing bios please expand this one? It's way too short. [[User:Abejorro97\|Abejorro97]] ([[User talk:Abejorro97\|talk]]) 12:55, 1 November 2015 (EST)

	:It's short because most of Sky-Byte's characterization varies between portrayals. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi\|talk]]) 14:56, 2 November 2015 (EST)		:It's short because most of Sky-Byte's characterization varies between portrayals. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi\|talk]]) 14:56, 2 November 2015 (EST)
	::I've expanded it a bit while hopefully still keeping it vague enough to fit all his appearances. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 18:49, 2 November 2015 (EST)		::I've expanded it a bit while hopefully still keeping it vague enough to fit all his appearances. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 18:49, 2 November 2015 (EST)

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	Sorry about that, [[User:Sockie\|Sockie]]. I misread the diff and thought you had removed the entire summary of that issue. My bad. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep\|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep\|talk]]) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)		Sorry about that, [[User:Sockie\|Sockie]]. I misread the diff and thought you had removed the entire summary of that issue. My bad. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep\|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep\|talk]]) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)