https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ASonic_Bomber_%28Cybertron%29Talk:Sonic Bomber (Cybertron) - Revision history2026-09-14T04:43:21ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.3https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728313&oldid=prevSabrblade at 18:16, 25 October 20232023-10-25T18:16:14Z<p></p>
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</table>Sabrbladehttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728287&oldid=prevSaix at 17:40, 25 October 20232023-10-25T17:40:42Z<p></p>
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</table>Saixhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728286&oldid=prevCyberlink420: /* Deletion? */2023-10-25T17:38:08Z<p><span class="autocomment">Deletion?</span></p>
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</table>Cyberlink420https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728280&oldid=prevDancouMaryuu at 16:58, 25 October 20232023-10-25T16:58:43Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>DancouMaryuuhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728274&oldid=prevSaix at 16:49, 25 October 20232023-10-25T16:49:41Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>Saixhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728272&oldid=prevSabrblade at 16:10, 25 October 20232023-10-25T16:10:35Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::This is presupposing that the entire cast of Galaxy Force aren't the same guys as the Micron and Super Link characters, which we have zero evidence of. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:10, 25 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::This is presupposing that the entire cast of Galaxy Force aren't the same guys as the Micron and Super Link characters, which we have zero evidence of. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:10, 25 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Sabrbladehttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728222&oldid=prevSaix at 06:10, 25 October 20232023-10-25T06:10:42Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And which we can currently do because, thankfully, there has yet to be any Japanese fiction that has actually depicted the GF cartoon characters alongside the LOTM/SL cartoon characters (e.g. - there is no Japanese fiction that sees the cartoon versions of Grand Convoy and Galaxy Convoy standing side-by-side one another as separate individuals). If such fiction ever comes about, we'll cross that bridge when we get there (and could likely just explain why there are, say, two Optimus Primes next to each other, with a note). But until then, every GF cartoon character should go on the same page as the LOTM/SL cartoon characters that the English version treats them as being. While Sonic Bomber may have had unique production origins, they are not reflected in the final version of his appearances to make him stand apart from any other GF character (since, again, EVERY GF character was a new character). Even Noisemaze had the preliminary Takara name of "Sideways" according to [https://i.imgur.com/IBXmDAM.jpg this chart] (yes, yes, I KNOW Armada Sideways's Japanese name was "Doubleface"; what I mean is that this shows Takara was originally on the same page as Hasbro in considering him a new version of the guy Hasbro called "Sideways" before deciding to make him—like EVERY other GF character—a different person).</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And which we can currently do because, thankfully, there has yet to be any Japanese fiction that has actually depicted the GF cartoon characters alongside the LOTM/SL cartoon characters (e.g. - there is no Japanese fiction that sees the cartoon versions of Grand Convoy and Galaxy Convoy standing side-by-side one another as separate individuals). If such fiction ever comes about, we'll cross that bridge when we get there (and could likely just explain why there are, say, two Optimus Primes next to each other, with a note). But until then, every GF cartoon character should go on the same page as the LOTM/SL cartoon characters that the English version treats them as being. While Sonic Bomber may have had unique production origins, they are not reflected in the final version of his appearances to make him stand apart from any other GF character (since, again, EVERY GF character was a new character). Even Noisemaze had the preliminary Takara name of "Sideways" according to [https://i.imgur.com/IBXmDAM.jpg this chart] (yes, yes, I KNOW Armada Sideways's Japanese name was "Doubleface"; what I mean is that this shows Takara was originally on the same page as Hasbro in considering him a new version of the guy Hasbro called "Sideways" before deciding to make him—like EVERY other GF character—a different person).</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As for the Galaxy Force manga, there is no conflict there since that is a separate continuity in which the LOTM/SL characters don't seem to exist at all. So for all intents and purposes, SL Wing Saber and LOTM Doubleface don't even exist in that continuity, meaning GF Sonic Bomber and GF Noisemaze are the ''only'' Wing Saber and Sideways that exist in that manga continuity. They're each just a "different-continuity version" of Wing Saber and Sideways just like all the other different-continuity versions of every other character on this Wiki (heck, Dreamwave Sideways is even "just some guy" who isn't affiliated with Unicron at all in the few cameo appearances he made in the Armada comics proper). And as for the likes of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc., we can still keep their pages because they're just a small few in number, unlike the ''entire cast'' of the Galaxy Force cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:17, 25 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As for the Galaxy Force manga, there is no conflict there since that is a separate continuity in which the LOTM/SL characters don't seem to exist at all. So for all intents and purposes, SL Wing Saber and LOTM Doubleface don't even exist in that continuity, meaning GF Sonic Bomber and GF Noisemaze are the ''only'' Wing Saber and Sideways that exist in that manga continuity. They're each just a "different-continuity version" of Wing Saber and Sideways just like all the other different-continuity versions of every other character on this Wiki (heck, Dreamwave Sideways is even "just some guy" who isn't affiliated with Unicron at all in the few cameo appearances he made in the Armada comics proper). And as for the likes of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc., we can still keep their pages because they're just a small few in number, unlike the ''entire cast'' of the Galaxy Force cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:17, 25 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>Saixhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728219&oldid=prevSabrblade at 05:22, 25 October 20232023-10-25T05:22:34Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::After much consideration, I am of the opinion that this page (and the Noisemaze one) is indeed a redundancy. While going by the logic of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc. getting their own pages because of how their toy bios and/or Dreamwave appearances depicted them as their own separate characters coexisting with those of whom they were all depicted as body-upgrades in the Energon cartoon, theoretically means that this page should stay (since GF cartoon Sonic Bomber technically coexists separately from SL Wing Saber in the Japanese UT cartoon continuity), that same logic would also suggest that '''''EVERY''''' Galaxy Force character should get their own pages separate from those of LOTM and SL with whom they share names in Hasbro's market, and that would just be overkill. In other words, Cybertron/Galaxy Force is just another one of those "continuity kerfuffles" that we have to treat as a special case and make exceptions for in the name of reducing redundancies.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::After much consideration, I am of the opinion that this page (and the Noisemaze one) is indeed a redundancy. While going by the logic of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc. getting their own pages because of how their toy bios and/or Dreamwave appearances depicted them as their own separate characters coexisting with those of whom they were all depicted as body-upgrades in the Energon cartoon, theoretically means that this page should stay (since GF cartoon Sonic Bomber technically coexists separately from SL Wing Saber in the Japanese UT cartoon continuity), that same logic would also suggest that '''''EVERY''''' Galaxy Force character should get their own pages separate from those of LOTM and SL with whom they share names in Hasbro's market, and that would just be overkill. In other words, Cybertron/Galaxy Force is just another one of those "continuity kerfuffles" that we have to treat as a special case and make exceptions for in the name of reducing redundancies.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And which we can currently do because, thankfully, there has yet to be any Japanese fiction that has actually depicted the GF cartoon characters alongside the LOTM/SL cartoon characters (e.g. - there is no Japanese fiction that sees the cartoon versions of Grand Convoy and Galaxy Convoy standing side-by-side one another as separate individuals). If such fiction ever comes about, we'll cross that bridge when we get there (and could likely just explain why there are, say, two Optimus Primes next to each other, with a note). But until then, every GF cartoon character should go on the same page as the LOTM/SL cartoon characters that the English version treats them as being. While Sonic Bomber may have had unique production origins, they are not reflected in the final version of his appearances to make him stand apart from any other GF character (since, again, EVERY GF character was a new character). Even Noisemaze had the preliminary Takara name of "Sideways" according to [https://i.imgur.com/IBXmDAM.jpg this chart] (yes, yes, I KNOW Armada Sideways's Japanese name was "Doubleface"; what I mean is that this shows Takara was originally on the same page as Hasbro in considering him a new version of the guy Hasbro called "Sideways" before deciding to make him—like EVERY other GF character—a different person).</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And which we can currently do because, thankfully, there has yet to be any Japanese fiction that has actually depicted the GF cartoon characters alongside the LOTM/SL cartoon characters (e.g. - there is no Japanese fiction that sees the cartoon versions of Grand Convoy and Galaxy Convoy standing side-by-side one another as separate individuals). If such fiction ever comes about, we'll cross that bridge when we get there (and could likely just explain why there are, say, two Optimus Primes next to each other, with a note). But until then, every GF cartoon character should go on the same page as the LOTM/SL cartoon characters that the English version treats them as being. While Sonic Bomber may have had unique production origins, they are not reflected in the final version of his appearances to make him stand apart from any other GF character (since, again, EVERY GF character was a new character). Even Noisemaze had the preliminary Takara name of "Sideways" according to [https://i.imgur.com/IBXmDAM.jpg this chart] (yes, yes, I KNOW Armada Sideways's Japanese name was "Doubleface"; what I mean is that this shows Takara was originally on the same page as Hasbro in considering him a new version of the guy Hasbro called "Sideways" before deciding to make him—like EVERY other GF character—a different person).</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As for the Galaxy Force manga, there is no conflict there since that is a separate continuity in which the LOTM/SL characters don't seem to exist at all. So for all intents and purposes, SL Wing Saber and LOTM Doubleface don't even exist in that continuity, meaning GF Sonic Bomber and GF Noisemaze are the ''only'' Wing Saber and Sideways that exist in that manga continuity. They're each just a "different-continuity version" of Wing Saber and Sideways just like all the other different-continuity versions of every other character on this Wiki (heck, Dreamwave Sideways is even "just some guy" who isn't affiliated with Unicron at all in the few cameo appearances he made in the Armada comics proper). And as for the likes of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc., we can still keep their pages because they're just small few in number, unlike the ''entire cast'' of the Galaxy Force cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:17, 25 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As for the Galaxy Force manga, there is no conflict there since that is a separate continuity in which the LOTM/SL characters don't seem to exist at all. So for all intents and purposes, SL Wing Saber and LOTM Doubleface don't even exist in that continuity, meaning GF Sonic Bomber and GF Noisemaze are the ''only'' Wing Saber and Sideways that exist in that manga continuity. They're each just a "different-continuity version" of Wing Saber and Sideways just like all the other different-continuity versions of every other character on this Wiki (heck, Dreamwave Sideways is even "just some guy" who isn't affiliated with Unicron at all in the few cameo appearances he made in the Armada comics proper). And as for the likes of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc., we can still keep their pages because they're just <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a </ins>small few in number, unlike the ''entire cast'' of the Galaxy Force cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:17, 25 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>Sabrbladehttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728218&oldid=prevSabrblade at 05:21, 25 October 20232023-10-25T05:21:43Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::After much consideration, I am of the opinion that this page (and the Noisemaze one) is indeed a redundancy. While going by the logic of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc. getting their own pages because of how their toy bios and/or Dreamwave appearances depicted them as their own separate characters coexisting with those of whom they were all depicted as body-upgrades in the Energon cartoon, theoretically means that this page should stay (since GF cartoon Sonic Bomber technically coexists separately from SL Wing Saber in the Japanese UT cartoon continuity), that same logic would also suggest that '''''EVERY''''' Galaxy Force character should get their own pages separate from those of LOTM and SL with whom they share names in Hasbro's market, and that would just be overkill. In other words, Cybertron/Galaxy Force is just another one of those "continuity kerfuffles" that we have to treat as a special case and make exceptions for in the name of reducing redundancies.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::After much consideration, I am of the opinion that this page (and the Noisemaze one) is indeed a redundancy. While going by the logic of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc. getting their own pages because of how their toy bios and/or Dreamwave appearances depicted them as their own separate characters coexisting with those of whom they were all depicted as body-upgrades in the Energon cartoon, theoretically means that this page should stay (since GF cartoon Sonic Bomber technically coexists separately from SL Wing Saber in the Japanese UT cartoon continuity), that same logic would also suggest that '''''EVERY''''' Galaxy Force character should get their own pages separate from those of LOTM and SL with whom they share names in Hasbro's market, and that would just be overkill. In other words, Cybertron/Galaxy Force is just another one of those "continuity kerfuffles" that we have to treat as a special case and make exceptions for in the name of reducing redundancies.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And which we can currently do because, thankfully, there has yet to be any Japanese fiction that has actually depicted the GF cartoon characters alongside the LOTM/SL cartoon characters (e.g. - there is no Japanese fiction that sees the cartoon versions of Grand Convoy and Galaxy Convoy standing side-by-side one another as separate individuals). If such fiction ever comes about, we'll cross that bridge when we get there (and could likely just explain why there are, say, two Optimus Primes next to each other, with a note). But until then, every GF cartoon character should go on the same page as the LOTM/SL cartoon characters that the English version treats them as being. While Sonic Bomber may have had unique production origins, they are not reflected in the final version of his appearances to make him stand apart from any other GF character (since, again, EVERY GF character was a new character). Even Noisemaze had the preliminary Takara name of "Sideways" according to [https://i.imgur.com/IBXmDAM.jpg this chart] (yes, yes, I KNOW Armada Sideways's Japanese name was "Doubleface"; what I mean is that this shows Takara was originally on the same page as Hasbro in considering him a new version of the guy Hasbro called "Sideways" before deciding to make him—like EVERY other GF character—a different person).</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And which we can currently do because, thankfully, there has yet to be any Japanese fiction that has actually depicted the GF cartoon characters alongside the LOTM/SL cartoon characters (e.g. - there is no Japanese fiction that sees the cartoon versions of Grand Convoy and Galaxy Convoy standing side-by-side one another as separate individuals). If such fiction ever comes about, we'll cross that bridge when we get there (and could likely just explain why there are, say, two Optimus Primes next to each other, with a note). But until then, every GF cartoon character should go on the same page as the LOTM/SL cartoon characters that the English version treats them as being. While Sonic Bomber may have had unique production origins, they are not reflected in the final version of his appearances to make him stand apart from any other GF character (since, again, EVERY GF character was a new character). Even Noisemaze had the preliminary Takara name of "Sideways" according to [https://i.imgur.com/IBXmDAM.jpg this chart] (yes, yes, I KNOW Armada Sideways's Japanese name was "Doubleface"; what I mean is that this shows Takara was originally on the same page as Hasbro in considering him a new version of the guy Hasbro called "Sideways" before deciding to make him—like EVERY other GF character—a different person).</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As for the Galaxy Force manga, there is no conflict there since that is a separate continuity in which the LOTM/SL characters don't seem to exist at all. So for all intents and purposes, SL Wing Saber and LOTM Doubleface don't even exist in that continuity, meaning GF Sonic Bomber and GF Noisemaze are the ''only'' Wing Saber and Sideways that exist in that manga continuity. They're each just a "different-continuity version" of Wing Saber and Sideways just like all the other different-continuity versions of every other character on this Wiki (heck, Dreamwave Sideways is even "just some guy" who isn't affiliated with Unicron at all in the few cameo appearances he made in the Armada comics proper). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:17, 25 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As for the Galaxy Force manga, there is no conflict there since that is a separate continuity in which the LOTM/SL characters don't seem to exist at all. So for all intents and purposes, SL Wing Saber and LOTM Doubleface don't even exist in that continuity, meaning GF Sonic Bomber and GF Noisemaze are the ''only'' Wing Saber and Sideways that exist in that manga continuity. They're each just a "different-continuity version" of Wing Saber and Sideways just like all the other different-continuity versions of every other character on this Wiki (heck, Dreamwave Sideways is even "just some guy" who isn't affiliated with Unicron at all in the few cameo appearances he made in the Armada comics proper)<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. And as for the likes of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc., we can still keep their pages because they're just small few in number, unlike the ''entire cast'' of the Galaxy Force cartoon</ins>. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:17, 25 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>Sabrbladehttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sonic_Bomber_(Cybertron)&diff=1728217&oldid=prevSabrblade at 05:17, 25 October 20232023-10-25T05:17:12Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::We had this discussion about little artist cameos years ago with the Titan Hunters guys when someone (McFeely?) put their foot down and said "no, we're not giving pages to guys who don't do anything except appear in the background." I really don't think we need to do the same with these random ass UT cameos either, unless they're named or (in the case of the Lunabots) actually have lines of dialogue/do something or are in the script. As for Derailment, speaking as someone who just read it for purposes elsewhere...Wing Saber isn't implied at all to be a separate character from the Energon one there? He's appears for a few sentences as a lobotomized vehicle and there's no indication that him and the Energon one exist as separate characters there. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:28, 7 January 2023 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::We had this discussion about little artist cameos years ago with the Titan Hunters guys when someone (McFeely?) put their foot down and said "no, we're not giving pages to guys who don't do anything except appear in the background." I really don't think we need to do the same with these random ass UT cameos either, unless they're named or (in the case of the Lunabots) actually have lines of dialogue/do something or are in the script. As for Derailment, speaking as someone who just read it for purposes elsewhere...Wing Saber isn't implied at all to be a separate character from the Energon one there? He's appears for a few sentences as a lobotomized vehicle and there's no indication that him and the Energon one exist as separate characters there. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:28, 7 January 2023 (EST)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For my part, I also don't think this needs to exist. If there were a note that said why he's a separate guy, then maybe I'd be for it, but as-is I don't see the point. This is like creating a new page for, say, Japanese-dub G1 Shockwave. If someone could explain, then by all means go ahead, but I also don't see the point of this being a separate page. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 13:59, 27 February 2023 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For my part, I also don't think this needs to exist. If there were a note that said why he's a separate guy, then maybe I'd be for it, but as-is I don't see the point. This is like creating a new page for, say, Japanese-dub G1 Shockwave. If someone could explain, then by all means go ahead, but I also don't see the point of this being a separate page. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 13:59, 27 February 2023 (EST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'm inclined to agree. There is next to no point to this being a seperate page.[[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 19:34, 6 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::After much consideration, I am of the opinion that this page (and the Noisemaze one) is indeed a redundancy. While going by the logic of Snow Cat, Mirage, Roadblock, etc. getting their own pages because of how their toy bios and/or Dreamwave appearances depicted them as their own separate characters coexisting with those of whom they were all depicted as body-upgrades in the Energon cartoon, theoretically means that this page should stay (since GF cartoon Sonic Bomber technically coexists separately from SL Wing Saber in the Japanese UT cartoon continuity), that same logic would also suggest that '''''EVERY''''' Galaxy Force character should get their own pages separate from those of LOTM and SL with whom they share names in Hasbro's market, and that would just be overkill. In other words, Cybertron/Galaxy Force is just another one of those "continuity kerfuffles" that we have to treat as a special case and make exceptions for in the name of reducing redundancies.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I've decided to take the initiative and copy-paste the ''Galaxy Force'' comic info into [[Wing Saber (Energon)]]. Now that there's no longer anything in this article that's not in that article, I am nominating this article for deletion since the merger is more or less complete now. [[User:DancouMaryuu|The Metropolitan Dancou-Maryuu]] ([[User talk:DancouMaryuu|talk]]) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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