Talk:Structure - Revision history

KilMichaelMcC at 14:24, 26 November 2009

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	:Because we need a "Shell" page and someone wanted to promote a term that was used 1 time in a 1985 cartoon episode over that? -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 25 November 2009 (EST)		:Because we need a "Shell" page and someone wanted to promote a term that was used 1 time in a 1985 cartoon episode over that? -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 25 November 2009 (EST)
			::"Structure" and variants on it (exo-, super-, etc.) is a far more prominent term for a Transformer's body than "shell." --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:24, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Derik at 02:47, 26 November 2009

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	I cannot fathom why this page exists. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 20:20, 25 November 2009 (EST)		I cannot fathom why this page exists. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 20:20, 25 November 2009 (EST)

			:Because we need a "Shell" page and someone wanted to promote a term that was used 1 time in a 1985 cartoon episode over that? -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Repowers at 01:20, 26 November 2009

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	:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)		:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)
	::::All 3 of these terms are used exclusively in that context. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)		::::All 3 of these terms are used exclusively in that context. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)

			I cannot fathom why this page exists. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 20:20, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Derik at 10:18, 25 November 2009

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	::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)		::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)
	:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)		:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)
			::::All 3 of these terms are used exclusively in that context. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)

KilMichaelMcC at 02:14, 25 November 2009

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	:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)		:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)
	::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)		::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)
			:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)

KilMichaelMcC at 00:47, 25 November 2009

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	:* "Shell" has deep penetration, was used in BW/BM which continues to set the standard for the terminology which followed, etc. It's also the term which formalized the Spark/Shell separation.		:* "Shell" has deep penetration, was used in BW/BM which continues to set the standard for the terminology which followed, etc. It's also the term which formalized the Spark/Shell separation.
	:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)		:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)
	::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[~~Special~~:~~Contributions/71.234.192.28~~\|~~71.234.192.28~~]] 19:46, 24 November 2009 (EST)		::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)

71.234.192.28 at 00:46, 25 November 2009

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	:* "Shell" has deep penetration, was used in BW/BM which continues to set the standard for the terminology which followed, etc. It's also the term which formalized the Spark/Shell separation.		:* "Shell" has deep penetration, was used in BW/BM which continues to set the standard for the terminology which followed, etc. It's also the term which formalized the Spark/Shell separation.
	:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)		:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)
			::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[Special:Contributions/71.234.192.28\|71.234.192.28]] 19:46, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Derik: Poll for opinions on possible page move?

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Poll for opinions on possible page move?

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	It was Teletraan-1 who gae a history on the [[Renegade Decepticon]]s and said that their [[Personality component]]'s were removed from their structures and that the structures were destroyed. To me, I took "personality component" and "structure" as specialized terminology. I read somewhere about the exo-structure thing but couldnt find it otherwise I would have mentioned it in that article perhaps. Anyway, hope that helps. -- [[User:Darth Batrus\|Darth Batrus]]		It was Teletraan-1 who gae a history on the [[Renegade Decepticon]]s and said that their [[Personality component]]'s were removed from their structures and that the structures were destroyed. To me, I took "personality component" and "structure" as specialized terminology. I read somewhere about the exo-structure thing but couldnt find it otherwise I would have mentioned it in that article perhaps. Anyway, hope that helps. -- [[User:Darth Batrus\|Darth Batrus]]
			:That seems fair, but it seems ot be we've got 3 terms here.
			:* '''Structure''' — (G1 'toon, and implicitly in the exo-structure of latter-day stuff, as well as the superstructure noted above)
			:* '''Shell''' — The BW term for the same.
			:* '''Armor''' — The UT term for the same.
			:These terms seem to be inter-exchangeable. "The body from which your glowy-thing seat-of-consciousness can be yanked or inserted." If we are to have 1 article instead of 3 (and I think that's wise) then we have to decide where it should live.
			:* "Structure" is incredibly obscure, and is validated primary due to weak derivatives. (I might also cite an absence of Author intent behind those derivatives... except I ignore Author Intent anyway.)
			:* "Armor", though used in more than one UT series, is still very far background. (And just ''wierd''.)
			:* "Shell" has deep penetration, was used in BW/BM which continues to set the standard for the terminology which followed, etc. It's also the term which formalized the Spark/Shell separation.
			:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)

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I'm not sure this article is really justified... I haven't watched the episode recently, but, is this word really presented as specialized terminology rather than just as... like, English? Is the superstructure/substructure stuff supported by canon? I don't want us to be falsely implying that these are specific, "real" terms rather than just normal words. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

:I'd think an article on exo-structure would be more logical.
:Nothign that the whole body was called a Structure in one G1 ep would make more sense as a sub-set of that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::Spotlight: Nightbeat referred to the vehicle kibble as superstructure, which is what I'm recalling it from.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]]

It was Teletraan-1 who gae a history on the [[Renegade Decepticon]]s and said that their [[Personality component]]'s were removed from their structures and that the structures were destroyed. To me, I took "personality component" and "structure" as specialized terminology. I read somewhere about the exo-structure thing but couldnt find it otherwise I would have mentioned it in that article perhaps. Anyway, hope that helps. -- [[User:Darth Batrus|Darth Batrus]]

Rosicrucian at 20:29, 10 August 2007

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	:I'd think an article on exo-structure would be more logical.		:I'd think an article on exo-structure would be more logical.
	:Nothign that the whole body was called a Structure in one G1 ep would make more sense as a sub-set of that. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 20:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Nothign that the whole body was called a Structure in one G1 ep would make more sense as a sub-set of that. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 20:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
			::Spotlight: Nightbeat referred to the vehicle kibble as superstructure, which is what I'm recalling it from.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)		:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)
	::::All 3 of these terms are used exclusively in that context. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)		::::All 3 of these terms are used exclusively in that context. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)

			I cannot fathom why this page exists. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 20:20, 25 November 2009 (EST)

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	::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)		::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)
	:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)		:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)
			::::All 3 of these terms are used exclusively in that context. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)

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	:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)		:(Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)
	::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)		::Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)
			:::And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a ''living'' Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)