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</table>76.28.76.206https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567427&oldid=prevM Sipher at 06:06, 17 March 20112011-03-17T06:06:03Z<p></p>
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</table>M Sipherhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567426&oldid=prevItsWalky at 05:59, 17 March 20112011-03-17T05:59:19Z<p></p>
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</table>ItsWalkyhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567425&oldid=prevM Sipher: NO.2011-03-17T05:56:29Z<p>NO.</p>
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</table>M Sipherhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567378&oldid=prevFortMax at 02:35, 17 March 20112011-03-17T02:35:31Z<p></p>
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</table>FortMaxhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567363&oldid=prevFortMax at 02:22, 17 March 20112011-03-17T02:22:28Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>That seems to be all of them. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:36, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>That seems to be all of them. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:36, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>FortMaxhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567320&oldid=prevFortMax at 01:54, 17 March 20112011-03-17T01:54:28Z<p></p>
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</table>FortMaxhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567314&oldid=prevInterrobang at 01:36, 17 March 20112011-03-17T01:36:21Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::::They didn't start using the new symbols till 1993. [[Rescue Force|Characters from 1992]] have appeared in [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 19|stories that are absolutely Generation 1]]. You are taking some package's minor text far too seriously and over what the boxes of the time actually say—what their toyline was. If, hypothetically, they included ''Beast Machines'' into "''Beast Wars'' 1996-2001", it would still not change the fact that their packaging states "Beast Machines" and that it was the toyline they were being sold as. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:00, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::::They didn't start using the new symbols till 1993. [[Rescue Force|Characters from 1992]] have appeared in [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 19|stories that are absolutely Generation 1]]. You are taking some package's minor text far too seriously and over what the boxes of the time actually say—what their toyline was. If, hypothetically, they included ''Beast Machines'' into "''Beast Wars'' 1996-2001", it would still not change the fact that their packaging states "Beast Machines" and that it was the toyline they were being sold as. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:00, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::::That's my point. There is no unambiguously Generation 1 branded material (not toys, not fiction, nothing) from that time. Everything before 1994 has been assumed to be Generation 1 because of the absence of evidence of belonging to another franchise. But absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. As minor as the evidence of the G2 series U08 toys is, it is evidence. While I find it enough, I accept that others might not. That's why I mentioned asking Hasbro. Our disagreement basically boils down to whether the addition of the G2 logo indicates the start of a new franchise (your position) or is an acknowledgement that such a new start has already occurred (my position). At any other transition, your position would clearly be right. But, this is the first such transition ever seen in the brand. Standard procedures may not apply because those standards had yet to be set at the time in question. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:13, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::::That's my point. There is no unambiguously Generation 1 branded material (not toys, not fiction, nothing) from that time. Everything before 1994 has been assumed to be Generation 1 because of the absence of evidence of belonging to another franchise. But absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. As minor as the evidence of the G2 series U08 toys is, it is evidence. While I find it enough, I accept that others might not. That's why I mentioned asking Hasbro. Our disagreement basically boils down to whether the addition of the G2 logo indicates the start of a new franchise (your position) or is an acknowledgement that such a new start has already occurred (my position). At any other transition, your position would clearly be right. But, this is the first such transition ever seen in the brand. Standard procedures may not apply because those standards had yet to be set at the time in question. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:13, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Interrobanghttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567179&oldid=prevKhajidha at 23:13, 16 March 20112011-03-16T23:13:37Z<p></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::::::That's my point. There is no unambiguously Generation 1 branded material (not toys, not fiction, nothing) from that time. Everything before 1994 has been assumed to be Generation 1 because of the absence of evidence of belonging to another franchise. But absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. As minor as the evidence of the G2 series U08 toys is, it is evidence. While I find it enough, I accept that others might not. That's why I mentioned asking Hasbro. Our disagreement basically boils down to whether the addition of the G2 logo indicates the start of a new franchise (your position) or is an acknowledgement that such a new start has already occurred (my position). At any other transition, your position would clearly be right. But, this is the first such transition ever seen in the brand. Standard procedures may not apply because those standards had yet to be set at the time in question. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:13, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Khajidhahttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Terradive_(G2)&diff=567140&oldid=prevInterrobang at 22:00, 16 March 20112011-03-16T22:00:48Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::No, I don't see the difference. The figures and symbols from that time show an obvious developmental disconnect from the previous years and a similarity to those that came later. Eventually Hasbro decided to mark this as a fresh start by adding the "Generation 2" logo to the packaging. Still later, Hasbro decided to acknowledge the continuity of these toys by extending the G2 name to them. Japanese toys from 1992 are already "Operation Combination" and there were no toys released in Japan in 1993 and 1994, so I don't see the problem. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:58, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::No, I don't see the difference. The figures and symbols from that time show an obvious developmental disconnect from the previous years and a similarity to those that came later. Eventually Hasbro decided to mark this as a fresh start by adding the "Generation 2" logo to the packaging. Still later, Hasbro decided to acknowledge the continuity of these toys by extending the G2 name to them. Japanese toys from 1992 are already "Operation Combination" and there were no toys released in Japan in 1993 and 1994, so I don't see the problem. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:58, 16 March 2011 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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