Talk:The One - Revision history

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	::The Alternity is a Binaltech concept. The Vok's One is some minor plot point in a convention-exclusive comic. They're not connected, no matter how much Derik wants to shove fanon into articles. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 23:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)		::The Alternity is a Binaltech concept. The Vok's One is some minor plot point in a convention-exclusive comic. They're not connected, no matter how much Derik wants to shove fanon into articles. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 23:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
	:::You and I are probably never going to stop butting heads over this sort of thing, but I really do think that when any TF fiction presents itself as meta-continuity, its nature demands that we ''somehow'' acknowledge where it rubs shoulders with other meta-type fiction, whether the authors meant it to or not. What I envisioned for Derik's suggestion would be, say, "The Vok use the term "The One" in reference to Primus' grand plan, which blah blah blah insert all other The One facts from the 3H comics here. '''''Note:''' There's this other concept in another continuity called "the [[Alternity]]," which is similar in such-and-such way.''"		:::You and I are probably never going to stop butting heads over this sort of thing, but I really do think that when any TF fiction presents itself as meta-continuity, its nature demands that we ''somehow'' acknowledge where it rubs shoulders with other meta-type fiction, whether the authors meant it to or not. What I envisioned for Derik's suggestion would be, say, "The Vok use the term "The One" in reference to Primus' grand plan, which blah blah blah insert all other The One facts from the 3H comics here. '''''Note:''' There's this other concept in another continuity called "the [[Alternity (species)\|Alternity]]," which is similar in such-and-such way.''"
	:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.		:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.
	:::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)		:::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Iustitia: /* Daiakuron as The One's analog */ new section

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Daiakuron as The One's analog: new section

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	He is one, yes? [[User:Kaje\|Kaje]] 18:49, 11 May 2010 (EDT)		He is one, yes? [[User:Kaje\|Kaje]] 18:49, 11 May 2010 (EDT)
	:They've never expicitly said so but I don't see how he could not be given his nature and story.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 22:03, 11 May 2010 (EDT)		:They've never expicitly said so but I don't see how he could not be given his nature and story.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 22:03, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

			== Daiakuron as The One's analog ==

			So the Transformers/GI Joe story with [[Daiakuron]] has been out for a bit. Obviously the involvement of the Quintessons conflicts with the usual multiversal origins for Primus and Unicron but seeing as Multiversal Singularities are nullified after the Shrouding event, perhaps Daiakuron should be mentioned as a possible analog for The One in that particular story. It did create Unicron, Primus, Atlas and potentially other members of their pantheon. It would also be the first actual appearance of The One with an actual body or form that doesn't look like a galaxy-nebula-thing.--[[User:Iustitia\|Iustitia]] ([[User talk:Iustitia\|talk]]) 17:23, 26 January 2018 (EST)

76.28.76.206: /* Multiversal Singularity */

2010-05-12T02:03:48Z

Multiversal Singularity

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	He is one, yes? [[User:Kaje\|Kaje]] 18:49, 11 May 2010 (EDT)		He is one, yes? [[User:Kaje\|Kaje]] 18:49, 11 May 2010 (EDT)
			:They've never expicitly said so but I don't see how he could not be given his nature and story.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 22:03, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

Kaje at 22:49, 11 May 2010

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	::::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 01:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)		::::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 01:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::Earthforce makes perfect sense unless you're in denial about there being two timelines. I mean-- it's fairly explicit... Galvatron II even arrives in different circumstances in Earthforce. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 11:08, 10 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::::Earthforce makes perfect sense unless you're in denial about there being two timelines. I mean-- it's fairly explicit... Galvatron II even arrives in different circumstances in Earthforce. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 11:08, 10 May 2009 (EDT)


			==Multiversal Singularity==
			He is one, yes? [[User:Kaje\|Kaje]] 18:49, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

Derik: /* The Vok's "One" */

2009-05-10T15:08:58Z

The Vok's "One"

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	::::::And incidentally, I do still think that the Vok's One should be in this article too, as my edits ought to make clear. When the Vok ''first'' talk about The One, it's very much in line with what Furman would write years later in the ''Ultimate Guide''.... but like the Earthforce stories, it's paradoxically when Furman took over ''Primeval Dawn'' that the Vok's One became contradictory.		::::::And incidentally, I do still think that the Vok's One should be in this article too, as my edits ought to make clear. When the Vok ''first'' talk about The One, it's very much in line with what Furman would write years later in the ''Ultimate Guide''.... but like the Earthforce stories, it's paradoxically when Furman took over ''Primeval Dawn'' that the Vok's One became contradictory.
	::::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 01:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)		::::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 01:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::Earthforce makes perfect sense unless you're in denial about there being two timelines. I mean-- it's fairly explicit... Galvatron II even arrives in different circumstances in Earthforce. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 11:08, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

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	::::::I wouldn't mind seeing a "The All" article that focused on the Vok's "unity of worlds, timelines, and dimensions." From there, it could grow into a repository for all in-fiction references to the multiverse. The [[continuity]] article seems to be our default go-to for that topic, but I think it'd be nice to have another one for the specific times when the fiction refers to ''itself'' as a multilinear collective.		::::::I wouldn't mind seeing a "The All" article that focused on the Vok's "unity of worlds, timelines, and dimensions." From there, it could grow into a repository for all in-fiction references to the multiverse. The [[continuity]] article seems to be our default go-to for that topic, but I think it'd be nice to have another one for the specific times when the fiction refers to ''itself'' as a multilinear collective.
	::::::And incidentally, I do still think that the Vok's One should be in this article too, as my edits ought to make clear. When the Vok ''first'' talk about The One, it's very much in line with what Furman would write years later in the ''Ultimate Guide''.... but like the Earthforce stories, it's paradoxically when Furman took over ''Primeval Dawn'' that the Vok's One became contradictory.		::::::And incidentally, I do still think that the Vok's One should be in this article too, as my edits ought to make clear. When the Vok ''first'' talk about The One, it's very much in line with what Furman would write years later in the ''Ultimate Guide''.... but like the Earthforce stories, it's paradoxically when Furman took over ''Primeval Dawn'' that the Vok's One became contradictory.
	::::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 01:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		::::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 01:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Jackpot: /* The Vok's "One" */

2008-06-15T01:26:03Z

The Vok's "One"

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	::::Toss it in a trivia section and I'll live with it. I'm grudgingly fine with it as long as it isn't within the in-universe text and presented as "this is similar", not "this is probably the same thing". I do think the Vok stuff should be on a separate page, though. The two Ones aren't the same thing. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 04:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)		::::Toss it in a trivia section and I'll live with it. I'm grudgingly fine with it as long as it isn't within the in-universe text and presented as "this is similar", not "this is probably the same thing". I do think the Vok stuff should be on a separate page, though. The two Ones aren't the same thing. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 04:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Actually, After writing this- I went back and read the ''new'' BT story pages- the ones produced after the Alternity was intro'd in #17, and #18 refers tot he alternity as a direct evolution of the Binaltech Transformer. There's... some reasons that could still fit, depending on how metaphorically you make that statement, but I'm probably gonan drop that line of speculation. (I do want to pick DrDpengeler's brain on the original phrasing used though, since he helped with the translation.)		:::::Actually, After writing this- I went back and read the ''new'' BT story pages- the ones produced after the Alternity was intro'd in #17, and #18 refers tot he alternity as a direct evolution of the Binaltech Transformer. There's... some reasons that could still fit, depending on how metaphorically you make that statement, but I'm probably gonan drop that line of speculation. (I do want to pick DrDpengeler's brain on the original phrasing used though, since he helped with the translation.)
	:::::Really, the main reason ti appealed to me is-- Ichikawa-kun picked up on all sorts of stuff, especially obscure stuff, for his BT stories. And I coudl see him choosign the name 'Alternity' as a dual reference to the Alternators and 'The All'. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:::::Really, the main reason ti appealed to me is-- Ichikawa-kun picked up on all sorts of stuff, especially obscure stuff, for his BT stories. And I coudl see him choosign the name 'Alternity' as a dual reference to the Alternators and 'The All'. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
			::::::I wouldn't mind seeing a "The All" article that focused on the Vok's "unity of worlds, timelines, and dimensions." From there, it could grow into a repository for all in-fiction references to the multiverse. The [[continuity]] article seems to be our default go-to for that topic, but I think it'd be nice to have another one for the specific times when the fiction refers to ''itself'' as a multilinear collective.
			::::::And incidentally, I do still think that the Vok's One should be in this article too, as my edits ought to make clear. When the Vok ''first'' talk about The One, it's very much in line with what Furman would write years later in the ''Ultimate Guide''.... but like the Earthforce stories, it's paradoxically when Furman took over ''Primeval Dawn'' that the Vok's One became contradictory.
			::::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 01:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Derik: /* The Vok's "One" */

2008-06-14T05:23:57Z

The Vok's "One"

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	:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.		:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.
	:::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)		:::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
	::::Toss it in a trivia section and I'll live with it. I'm grudgingly fine with it as long as it isn't within the in-universe text and presented as "this is similar", not "this is probably the same thing". I do think the Vok stuff should be on a separate page, though. The two Ones aren't the same thing. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 04:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::::Toss it in a trivia section and I'll live with it. I'm grudgingly fine with it as long as it isn't within the in-universe text and presented as "this is similar", not "this is probably the same thing". I do think the Vok stuff should be on a separate page, though. The two Ones aren't the same thing. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 04:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Actually, After writing this- I went back and read the ''new'' BT story pages- the ones produced after the Alternity was intro'd in #17, and #18 refers tot he alternity as a direct evolution of the Binaltech Transformer. There's... some reasons that could still fit, depending on how metaphorically you make that statement, but I'm probably gonan drop that line of speculation. (I do want to pick DrDpengeler's brain on the original phrasing used though, since he helped with the translation.)
			:::::Really, the main reason ti appealed to me is-- Ichikawa-kun picked up on all sorts of stuff, especially obscure stuff, for his BT stories. And I coudl see him choosign the name 'Alternity' as a dual reference to the Alternators and 'The All'. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 05:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Interrobang: /* The Vok's "One" */

2008-06-14T04:47:17Z

The Vok's "One"

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	:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.		:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.
	:::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)		:::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
	::::Toss it in a trivia section and I'll live with it. I'm grudgingly fine with it as long as it isn't within the in-universe text. I do think the Vok stuff should be on a separate page, though. The two Ones aren't the same thing. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 04:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::::Toss it in a trivia section and I'll live with it. I'm grudgingly fine with it as long as it isn't within the in-universe text and presented as "this is similar", not "this is probably the same thing". I do think the Vok stuff should be on a separate page, though. The two Ones aren't the same thing. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 04:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Interrobang: /* The Vok's "One" */

2008-06-14T04:46:10Z

The Vok's "One"

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	:::You and I are probably never going to stop butting heads over this sort of thing, but I really do think that when any TF fiction presents itself as meta-continuity, its nature demands that we ''somehow'' acknowledge where it rubs shoulders with other meta-type fiction, whether the authors meant it to or not. What I envisioned for Derik's suggestion would be, say, "The Vok use the term "The One" in reference to Primus' grand plan, which blah blah blah insert all other The One facts from the 3H comics here. '''''Note:''' There's this other concept in another continuity called "the [[Alternity]]," which is similar in such-and-such way.''"		:::You and I are probably never going to stop butting heads over this sort of thing, but I really do think that when any TF fiction presents itself as meta-continuity, its nature demands that we ''somehow'' acknowledge where it rubs shoulders with other meta-type fiction, whether the authors meant it to or not. What I envisioned for Derik's suggestion would be, say, "The Vok use the term "The One" in reference to Primus' grand plan, which blah blah blah insert all other The One facts from the 3H comics here. '''''Note:''' There's this other concept in another continuity called "the [[Alternity]]," which is similar in such-and-such way.''"
	:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.		:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.
	:::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
			::::Toss it in a trivia section and I'll live with it. I'm grudgingly fine with it as long as it isn't within the in-universe text. I do think the Vok stuff should be on a separate page, though. The two Ones aren't the same thing. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 04:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>