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S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47: /* Anti-Transformer campaign continuity link from MTMTE 2012 Annual */ new section

2015-05-17T04:12:11Z

Anti-Transformer campaign continuity link from MTMTE 2012 Annual: new section

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	: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	:: It wasn't my intention to "wobbify" him but to try and explain the motivations - twisted as they were - for his "reinvention" of the Decepticon cause (and honestly I'd rather not be so blithely labeled as someone who "wobbies" villains just because I was trying to address a trivia point) [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)		:: It wasn't my intention to "wobbify" him but to try and explain the motivations - twisted as they were - for his "reinvention" of the Decepticon cause (and honestly I'd rather not be so blithely labeled as someone who "wobbies" villains just because I was trying to address a trivia point) [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)

			== Anti-Transformer campaign continuity link from [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations\|MTMTE 2012 Annual]] ==

			At the end of the 2012 MTMTE annual, Galactic Council Captain K'gard proposed a "regime change" to his superior(s) because of the Transformers being spread out. Could the Council and Consortia's actions mentioned in this issue be a follow-up to that? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 00:12, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

Magaroja: Rewrote my latest edit to better reflect my reasonings

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Rewrote my latest edit to better reflect my reasonings

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	I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	:: ~~Who~~'~~s wobby-ing? If anything~~ my ~~point should confirm, more than ever, his terrorist-like mindset. He doesn't care who delivers the message now; it's not the speaker~~ but the ~~speech that are important. And please don't label me~~ as ~~coddling a clear~~-~~cut sociopath; I know words can be interpreted differently, but~~ I'd ~~really~~ rather not be ~~painted~~ as someone who ~~sympathizes with this mindset, thanks.~~ [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)		:: It wasn't my intention to "wobbify" him but to try and explain the motivations - twisted as they were - for his "reinvention" of the Decepticon cause (and honestly I'd rather not be so blithely labeled as someone who "wobbies" villains just because I was trying to address a trivia point) [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)

Magaroja: /* That second "Trivia" point... */

2015-04-29T17:56:05Z

That second "Trivia" point...

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	I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
			:: Who's wobby-ing? If anything my point should confirm, more than ever, his terrorist-like mindset. He doesn't care who delivers the message now; it's not the speaker but the speech that are important. And please don't label me as coddling a clear-cut sociopath; I know words can be interpreted differently, but I'd really rather not be painted as someone who sympathizes with this mindset, thanks. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)

M Sipher: /* That second "Trivia" point... */

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That second "Trivia" point...

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	I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
			: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

Magaroja: /* That second "Trivia" point... */ new section

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That second "Trivia" point...: new section

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	Is it just me, or does [[Nickel]] strongly physically resemble Kup, specifically the ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)#Generations\|Sergeant Kup]] toy? And if so, is that worth noting on this article? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 15:26, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		Is it just me, or does [[Nickel]] strongly physically resemble Kup, specifically the ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)#Generations\|Sergeant Kup]] toy? And if so, is that worth noting on this article? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 15:26, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	: Yes, it's just you, and no, it's not. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 16:08, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		: Yes, it's just you, and no, it's not. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 16:08, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

			== That second "Trivia" point... ==

			"Tarn's justification for the continued slaughter of non-Cybertronian life is the slaughter of Nickel's colony world... which was done in retaliation for the slaughter of non-Cybertronian life Megatron preached. Ooookaaaaaaay."

			I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

Escargon: /* Unidentified guy */

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Unidentified guy

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	::::The guy to the left of Star Saber. But looking at it again, I'm probably grasping for straws. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:35, 8 April 2015 (EDT)		::::The guy to the left of Star Saber. But looking at it again, I'm probably grasping for straws. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:35, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
	:::::The abs feel so familiar on the last guy, and so does that crest. I keep looking at Black Shadow's page and keep wondering if he's some kind of stand-in for him. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 15:40, 8 April 2015 (EDT)		:::::The abs feel so familiar on the last guy, and so does that crest. I keep looking at Black Shadow's page and keep wondering if he's some kind of stand-in for him. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 15:40, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
			::::::Update: I asked Hydra about it and apparently the name of the concept was Strike Soldier. It's gotta come from somewhere, the Generations book perhaps? [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 16:38, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

	==Warpath?==		==Warpath?==

M Sipher: /* Nickel looks like Kup? */

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Nickel looks like Kup?

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	Is it just me, or does [[Nickel]] strongly physically resemble Kup, specifically the ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)#Generations\|Sergeant Kup]] toy? And if so, is that worth noting on this article? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 15:26, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		Is it just me, or does [[Nickel]] strongly physically resemble Kup, specifically the ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)#Generations\|Sergeant Kup]] toy? And if so, is that worth noting on this article? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 15:26, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
			: Yes, it's just you, and no, it's not. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 16:08, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47: Links.

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Links.

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	== Nickel looks like Kup? ==		== Nickel looks like Kup? ==

	Is it just me, or does Nickel strongly physically resemble Kup, specifically the ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)~~#Toys~~#Generations\|Sergeant Kup]] toy? And if so, is that worth noting on this article? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 15:26, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		Is it just me, or does [[Nickel]] strongly physically resemble Kup, specifically the ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)#Generations\|Sergeant Kup]] toy? And if so, is that worth noting on this article? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 15:26, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47: /* Nickel looks like Kup? */ new section

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Nickel looks like Kup?: new section

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	Yeah, kinda over did it with the "confirmed", but I'm leaving it here in case it does get confirmed in a future issue. The pic could be used for the wiki to address the connection (I still have a "clean" text less version). [[User:Dead Metal\|Dead Metal]] ([[User talk:Dead Metal\|talk]]) 16:35, 8 April 2015 (EDT)		Yeah, kinda over did it with the "confirmed", but I'm leaving it here in case it does get confirmed in a future issue. The pic could be used for the wiki to address the connection (I still have a "clean" text less version). [[User:Dead Metal\|Dead Metal]] ([[User talk:Dead Metal\|talk]]) 16:35, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
	:It could certainly be interpreted as a hint, but all it means at face value is that Tarn knew Skids at some point when he was younger and had the tattoo. Nothing dates it to circa-#10 specifically. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:45, 8 April 2015 (EDT)		:It could certainly be interpreted as a hint, but all it means at face value is that Tarn knew Skids at some point when he was younger and had the tattoo. Nothing dates it to circa-#10 specifically. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:45, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

			== Nickel looks like Kup? ==

			Is it just me, or does Nickel strongly physically resemble Kup, specifically the ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)#Toys#Generations\|Sergeant Kup]] toy? And if so, is that worth noting on this article? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 15:26, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

Chris McFeely: /* Tarn and Skids */

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Tarn and Skids

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	http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Dead_Metal_album/Tarn-is-Roller_zpsyx9l0e2o.jpg		http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Dead_Metal_album/Tarn-is-Roller_zpsyx9l0e2o.jpg
	Yeah, kinda over did it with the "confirmed", but I'm leaving it here in case it does get confirmed in a future issue. The pic could be used for the wiki to address the connection (I still have a "clean" text less version). [[User:Dead Metal\|Dead Metal]] ([[User talk:Dead Metal\|talk]]) 16:35, 8 April 2015 (EDT)		Yeah, kinda over did it with the "confirmed", but I'm leaving it here in case it does get confirmed in a future issue. The pic could be used for the wiki to address the connection (I still have a "clean" text less version). [[User:Dead Metal\|Dead Metal]] ([[User talk:Dead Metal\|talk]]) 16:35, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
			:It could certainly be interpreted as a hint, but all it means at face value is that Tarn knew Skids at some point when he was younger and had the tattoo. Nothing dates it to circa-#10 specifically. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:45, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

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	: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	:: It wasn't my intention to "wobbify" him but to try and explain the motivations - twisted as they were - for his "reinvention" of the Decepticon cause (and honestly I'd rather not be so blithely labeled as someone who "wobbies" villains just because I was trying to address a trivia point) [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)		:: It wasn't my intention to "wobbify" him but to try and explain the motivations - twisted as they were - for his "reinvention" of the Decepticon cause (and honestly I'd rather not be so blithely labeled as someone who "wobbies" villains just because I was trying to address a trivia point) [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)

			== Anti-Transformer campaign continuity link from [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations\|MTMTE 2012 Annual]] ==

			At the end of the 2012 MTMTE annual, Galactic Council Captain K'gard proposed a "regime change" to his superior(s) because of the Transformers being spread out. Could the Council and Consortia's actions mentioned in this issue be a follow-up to that? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 00:12, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

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	I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	:: ~~Who~~'~~s wobby-ing? If anything~~ my ~~point should confirm, more than ever, his terrorist-like mindset. He doesn't care who delivers the message now; it's not the speaker~~ but the ~~speech that are important. And please don't label me~~ as ~~coddling a clear~~-~~cut sociopath; I know words can be interpreted differently, but~~ I'd ~~really~~ rather not be ~~painted~~ as someone who ~~sympathizes with this mindset, thanks.~~ [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)		:: It wasn't my intention to "wobbify" him but to try and explain the motivations - twisted as they were - for his "reinvention" of the Decepticon cause (and honestly I'd rather not be so blithely labeled as someone who "wobbies" villains just because I was trying to address a trivia point) [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)

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	I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		I think Tarn's revelation is a bit more nuanced than that. He was going to kill himself because he saw Megatron and the Decepticon cause as one; it was only when he looked at Nickel and remembered her situation that he awoke to the realization that the cause was ABOVE Megatron. He had to continue the cause not out of revenge but because of the "truth" of it; Nickel is "proof" that organics ARE a threat to Cybertronian life and thus must be wiped out. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
	: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)		: No it isn't. He pretends it is, but it isn't. The "reason" organics are a threat is because they're retaliating for Megatron's first-strike genocide against organics. The "proof" is circular, twisted, "the terrorists hate our freedom" level bullshit, and he's using a traumatized victim as a poster child. Let's stop woobieing the bad guys here. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
			:: Who's wobby-ing? If anything my point should confirm, more than ever, his terrorist-like mindset. He doesn't care who delivers the message now; it's not the speaker but the speech that are important. And please don't label me as coddling a clear-cut sociopath; I know words can be interpreted differently, but I'd really rather not be painted as someone who sympathizes with this mindset, thanks. [[User:Magaroja\|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja\|talk]]) 13:56, 29 April 2015 (EDT)