Talk:The Transformers (cartoon) - Revision history

Tribimat at 19:21, 6 September 2024

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	Returning to something I started about 15 years ago, I've been doing some digging on newspaper databases, and it's become clear from looking at the TV listings for various newspapers across the US that MTMTE episodes 1-3, at the very least, were broadcast before September 17 (as early as September 4 in Arizona), and that there was no single 'first airdate' for these. I'm assuming this information is of interest, but how should it be presented, both as evidence (since I imagine other editors will want to see that) and on the episode pages? [[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] ([[User talk:Tribimat\|talk]]) 15:56, 5 September 2024 (EDT)		Returning to something I started about 15 years ago, I've been doing some digging on newspaper databases, and it's become clear from looking at the TV listings for various newspapers across the US that MTMTE episodes 1-3, at the very least, were broadcast before September 17 (as early as September 4 in Arizona), and that there was no single 'first airdate' for these. I'm assuming this information is of interest, but how should it be presented, both as evidence (since I imagine other editors will want to see that) and on the episode pages? [[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] ([[User talk:Tribimat\|talk]]) 15:56, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
	:I think they should be adjusted to the earliest verifiable date (with ref notes explaining the discrepancy). 17:10, 5 September 2024 (EDT)		:I think they should be adjusted to the earliest verifiable date (with ref notes explaining the discrepancy). 17:10, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
			::That seems fair. I'll get stuck in once I've got as much info as I can. There does seem to be a cluster of networks first airing the show around 16/17 September, so that might be worth noting as well to account for the traditional dating. Interestingly, there's a definite clustering around 6/7 October, so the dates for Transport to Oblivion onwards look as though they're correct - it's just the miniseries that's out. [[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] ([[User talk:Tribimat\|talk]]) 15:21, 6 September 2024 (EDT)

Saix: /* Airdate issues */

2024-09-05T21:10:46Z

Airdate issues

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	Returning to something I started about 15 years ago, I've been doing some digging on newspaper databases, and it's become clear from looking at the TV listings for various newspapers across the US that MTMTE episodes 1-3, at the very least, were broadcast before September 17 (as early as September 4 in Arizona), and that there was no single 'first airdate' for these. I'm assuming this information is of interest, but how should it be presented, both as evidence (since I imagine other editors will want to see that) and on the episode pages? [[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] ([[User talk:Tribimat\|talk]]) 15:56, 5 September 2024 (EDT)		Returning to something I started about 15 years ago, I've been doing some digging on newspaper databases, and it's become clear from looking at the TV listings for various newspapers across the US that MTMTE episodes 1-3, at the very least, were broadcast before September 17 (as early as September 4 in Arizona), and that there was no single 'first airdate' for these. I'm assuming this information is of interest, but how should it be presented, both as evidence (since I imagine other editors will want to see that) and on the episode pages? [[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] ([[User talk:Tribimat\|talk]]) 15:56, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
			:I think they should be adjusted to the earliest verifiable date (with ref notes explaining the discrepancy). 17:10, 5 September 2024 (EDT)

Tribimat: How to go about supplementing / correcting airdate details based on new info?

2024-09-05T19:56:46Z

How to go about supplementing / correcting airdate details based on new info?

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	I just thought I would throw the idea out there, the sandbox is still in need of some work before it could even be up to standard as an actual page, but if anyone would be interested in looking into this idea let me know. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:06, 18 November 2020 (EST)		I just thought I would throw the idea out there, the sandbox is still in need of some work before it could even be up to standard as an actual page, but if anyone would be interested in looking into this idea let me know. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:06, 18 November 2020 (EST)

			==Airdate issues==

			Returning to something I started about 15 years ago, I've been doing some digging on newspaper databases, and it's become clear from looking at the TV listings for various newspapers across the US that MTMTE episodes 1-3, at the very least, were broadcast before September 17 (as early as September 4 in Arizona), and that there was no single 'first airdate' for these. I'm assuming this information is of interest, but how should it be presented, both as evidence (since I imagine other editors will want to see that) and on the episode pages? [[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] ([[User talk:Tribimat\|talk]]) 15:56, 5 September 2024 (EDT)

Saix: /* "Main Cast" list */clean up, replaced: (BWN) → (BW)

2021-11-04T21:46:55Z

"Main Cast" list: clean up, replaced: (BWN) → (BW)

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	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
	We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
	::I agree with Khajidha, I think a larger discussion may need to be had about this. Even on the Beast Wars Neo page, [[Great Convoy]] is mentioned, but that character had about as much screen-time as the likes of [[Gōmya]] who doesn't get a mention on the series page. Now one may argue that Gōmya isn't a Cybertronian and Great Convoy is, but wouldn't that mean that there should be an extra list that branches off for other lifeforms like the humans section for most shows? Shouldn't [[Strada]] be mentioned like Great Convoy is since he's also a Cybertronian who had about as much screen-time? Even the other guest characters on the Neo page that had toys made of them didn't even play that big of a roll in the show. [[Hydra (~~BWN~~)\|Hydra]] got a spotlight in two episodes of the show and he probably had a small cameo in the finale too (I can't remember, it's been a while since I last watched the show). That means he has appeared three times! Which is more than anyone else that guest starred in the show ever did. I think we should have one big pow wow over whether we are listing just the main characters for each show or whether we are listing toy characters on cartoon pages because that seems to be the biggest contradiction here. And then we also need to figure out if minor Cybertronian characters should be listed there too. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 19:46, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::I agree with Khajidha, I think a larger discussion may need to be had about this. Even on the Beast Wars Neo page, [[Great Convoy]] is mentioned, but that character had about as much screen-time as the likes of [[Gōmya]] who doesn't get a mention on the series page. Now one may argue that Gōmya isn't a Cybertronian and Great Convoy is, but wouldn't that mean that there should be an extra list that branches off for other lifeforms like the humans section for most shows? Shouldn't [[Strada]] be mentioned like Great Convoy is since he's also a Cybertronian who had about as much screen-time? Even the other guest characters on the Neo page that had toys made of them didn't even play that big of a roll in the show. [[Hydra (BW)\|Hydra]] got a spotlight in two episodes of the show and he probably had a small cameo in the finale too (I can't remember, it's been a while since I last watched the show). That means he has appeared three times! Which is more than anyone else that guest starred in the show ever did. I think we should have one big pow wow over whether we are listing just the main characters for each show or whether we are listing toy characters on cartoon pages because that seems to be the biggest contradiction here. And then we also need to figure out if minor Cybertronian characters should be listed there too. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 19:46, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
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Fanofcoolstuff27: /* "Main Cast" list */

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	We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
	::I agree with Khajidha, I think a larger discussion may need to be had about this. Even on the Beast Wars Neo page, [[Great Convoy]] is mentioned, but that character had about as much screen-time as the likes of [[Gōmya]] who doesn't get a mention on the series page. Now one may argue that Gōmya isn't a Cybertronian and Great Convoy is, but wouldn't that mean that there should be an extra list that branches off for other lifeforms like the humans section for most shows? Shouldn't [[Strada]] be mentioned like Great Convoy is since he's also a Cybertronian who had about as much screen-time? Even the other guest characters on the Neo page that had toys made of them didn't even play that big of a roll in the show. [[Hydra (BWN)\|Hydra]] got a spotlight in two episodes of the show and he probably had a small cameo in the finale too (I can't remember, it's been a while since I last watched the show). That means he has appeared three times! Which is more than anyone else that guest starred in the show ever did. I think we should have one big pow wow over whether we are listing just the main characters for each show or whether we are listing toy characters on cartoon pages because that seems to be the biggest contradiction here. And then we also need to figure out if minor Cybertronian characters should be listed there too. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 19:46, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::I agree with Khajidha, I think a larger discussion may need to be had about this. Even on the Beast Wars Neo page, [[Great Convoy]] is mentioned, but that character had about as much screen-time as the likes of [[Gōmya]] who doesn't get a mention on the series page. Now one may argue that Gōmya isn't a Cybertronian and Great Convoy is, but wouldn't that mean that there should be an extra list that branches off for other lifeforms like the humans section for most shows? Shouldn't [[Strada]] be mentioned like Great Convoy is since he's also a Cybertronian who had about as much screen-time? Even the other guest characters on the Neo page that had toys made of them didn't even play that big of a roll in the show. [[Hydra (BWN)\|Hydra]] got a spotlight in two episodes of the show and he probably had a small cameo in the finale too (I can't remember, it's been a while since I last watched the show). That means he has appeared three times! Which is more than anyone else that guest starred in the show ever did. I think we should have one big pow wow over whether we are listing just the main characters for each show or whether we are listing toy characters on cartoon pages because that seems to be the biggest contradiction here. And then we also need to figure out if minor Cybertronian characters should be listed there too. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 19:46, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
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			I know this discussion has already been made multiple times over the years, but I thought I would try a different approache. I decided to play around with the possibility of making it an entirely seperate page dedicated to just the main cast for viewers of the wiki if they wanted it, rather than trying to squeeze it into the cartoon page which is chocker-full with info already. The link to the sandbox can be found here: [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27/sandbox/G1 Cast List]].

			I had thought that maybe a note at the top of each season's topic on the main page could link to each season of the main cast page, much like how I've linked the main page's season topics to my main cast page. So the same but reversed, if that makes sense.

			I just thought I would throw the idea out there, the sandbox is still in need of some work before it could even be up to standard as an actual page, but if anyone would be interested in looking into this idea let me know. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:06, 18 November 2020 (EST)

Fanofcoolstuff27: /* "Main Cast" list */

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	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
	We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
			::I agree with Khajidha, I think a larger discussion may need to be had about this. Even on the Beast Wars Neo page, [[Great Convoy]] is mentioned, but that character had about as much screen-time as the likes of [[Gōmya]] who doesn't get a mention on the series page. Now one may argue that Gōmya isn't a Cybertronian and Great Convoy is, but wouldn't that mean that there should be an extra list that branches off for other lifeforms like the humans section for most shows? Shouldn't [[Strada]] be mentioned like Great Convoy is since he's also a Cybertronian who had about as much screen-time? Even the other guest characters on the Neo page that had toys made of them didn't even play that big of a roll in the show. [[Hydra (BWN)\|Hydra]] got a spotlight in two episodes of the show and he probably had a small cameo in the finale too (I can't remember, it's been a while since I last watched the show). That means he has appeared three times! Which is more than anyone else that guest starred in the show ever did. I think we should have one big pow wow over whether we are listing just the main characters for each show or whether we are listing toy characters on cartoon pages because that seems to be the biggest contradiction here. And then we also need to figure out if minor Cybertronian characters should be listed there too. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 19:46, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

Khajidha: /* "Main Cast" list */

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	:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
	We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

Khajidha: /* "Main Cast" list */

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	:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
			We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

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	::The same could be said with RID 2015. The last time I checked there were only a small handful of Decepticon cast members listed on the main page, but wouldn't every character be worthy of mention on the main page in their own right? It was obviously cut down because very little of those characters had much to do with the show other than appear in one or two episodes. So my argument is when suggesting a main cast list for G1 I am thinking along the lines of the original Ark and Nemesis crews, Dinobots, Insecticons and combiner teams and the other extra toy cast members that followed in '85, '86 and '87. This would exclude the likes of the Rainmakers or the past Matrix-Bearers as they didn't have that much screen-time and were used for one-shot plot devices. Going back over what I had said before, Dion, the Fembots, Alpha Trion, Autoscout etc. probably would be left under that catergory too. For the humans, we could list the closest Autobot human allies such as the Witwicky family (Sparkplug, Spike, Daniel and Carly) and the likes of Chip Chase and Marissa Faireborn. They were predominantly shown to be the closest allies and appeared to help the Autobots on more than one occasion. We could leave out the evil humans like Dr. Arkevillle and Abdul Fakkadi as their roles were very miniscule at best and even then they were mainly used as simple pawns or plot-devices by the Decepticons to gain energy resources much like the previously mentioned Transformers. The show was originally made to sell some Japanese toys in the worldwide market. In my eyes, the show's main cast were the ones they wanted to sell the toys of. So in short, list the characters that they tried to sell toys of and list the main human allies. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		::The same could be said with RID 2015. The last time I checked there were only a small handful of Decepticon cast members listed on the main page, but wouldn't every character be worthy of mention on the main page in their own right? It was obviously cut down because very little of those characters had much to do with the show other than appear in one or two episodes. So my argument is when suggesting a main cast list for G1 I am thinking along the lines of the original Ark and Nemesis crews, Dinobots, Insecticons and combiner teams and the other extra toy cast members that followed in '85, '86 and '87. This would exclude the likes of the Rainmakers or the past Matrix-Bearers as they didn't have that much screen-time and were used for one-shot plot devices. Going back over what I had said before, Dion, the Fembots, Alpha Trion, Autoscout etc. probably would be left under that catergory too. For the humans, we could list the closest Autobot human allies such as the Witwicky family (Sparkplug, Spike, Daniel and Carly) and the likes of Chip Chase and Marissa Faireborn. They were predominantly shown to be the closest allies and appeared to help the Autobots on more than one occasion. We could leave out the evil humans like Dr. Arkevillle and Abdul Fakkadi as their roles were very miniscule at best and even then they were mainly used as simple pawns or plot-devices by the Decepticons to gain energy resources much like the previously mentioned Transformers. The show was originally made to sell some Japanese toys in the worldwide market. In my eyes, the show's main cast were the ones they wanted to sell the toys of. So in short, list the characters that they tried to sell toys of and list the main human allies. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to ~~revise~~ that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

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	::The same could be said with RID 2015. The last time I checked there were only a small handful of Decepticon cast members listed on the main page, but wouldn't every character be worthy of mention on the main page in their own right? It was obviously cut down because very little of those characters had much to do with the show other than appear in one or two episodes. So my argument is when suggesting a main cast list for G1 I am thinking along the lines of the original Ark and Nemesis crews, Dinobots, Insecticons and combiner teams and the other extra toy cast members that followed in '85, '86 and '87. This would exclude the likes of the Rainmakers or the past Matrix-Bearers as they didn't have that much screen-time and were used for one-shot plot devices. Going back over what I had said before, Dion, the Fembots, Alpha Trion, Autoscout etc. probably would be left under that catergory too. For the humans, we could list the closest Autobot human allies such as the Witwicky family (Sparkplug, Spike, Daniel and Carly) and the likes of Chip Chase and Marissa Faireborn. They were predominantly shown to be the closest allies and appeared to help the Autobots on more than one occasion. We could leave out the evil humans like Dr. Arkevillle and Abdul Fakkadi as their roles were very miniscule at best and even then they were mainly used as simple pawns or plot-devices by the Decepticons to gain energy resources much like the previously mentioned Transformers. The show was originally made to sell some Japanese toys in the worldwide market. In my eyes, the show's main cast were the ones they wanted to sell the toys of. So in short, list the characters that they tried to sell toys of and list the main human allies. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		::The same could be said with RID 2015. The last time I checked there were only a small handful of Decepticon cast members listed on the main page, but wouldn't every character be worthy of mention on the main page in their own right? It was obviously cut down because very little of those characters had much to do with the show other than appear in one or two episodes. So my argument is when suggesting a main cast list for G1 I am thinking along the lines of the original Ark and Nemesis crews, Dinobots, Insecticons and combiner teams and the other extra toy cast members that followed in '85, '86 and '87. This would exclude the likes of the Rainmakers or the past Matrix-Bearers as they didn't have that much screen-time and were used for one-shot plot devices. Going back over what I had said before, Dion, the Fembots, Alpha Trion, Autoscout etc. probably would be left under that catergory too. For the humans, we could list the closest Autobot human allies such as the Witwicky family (Sparkplug, Spike, Daniel and Carly) and the likes of Chip Chase and Marissa Faireborn. They were predominantly shown to be the closest allies and appeared to help the Autobots on more than one occasion. We could leave out the evil humans like Dr. Arkevillle and Abdul Fakkadi as their roles were very miniscule at best and even then they were mainly used as simple pawns or plot-devices by the Decepticons to gain energy resources much like the previously mentioned Transformers. The show was originally made to sell some Japanese toys in the worldwide market. In my eyes, the show's main cast were the ones they wanted to sell the toys of. So in short, list the characters that they tried to sell toys of and list the main human allies. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
			::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to revise that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

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	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
	We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
			::I agree with Khajidha, I think a larger discussion may need to be had about this. Even on the Beast Wars Neo page, [[Great Convoy]] is mentioned, but that character had about as much screen-time as the likes of [[Gōmya]] who doesn't get a mention on the series page. Now one may argue that Gōmya isn't a Cybertronian and Great Convoy is, but wouldn't that mean that there should be an extra list that branches off for other lifeforms like the humans section for most shows? Shouldn't [[Strada]] be mentioned like Great Convoy is since he's also a Cybertronian who had about as much screen-time? Even the other guest characters on the Neo page that had toys made of them didn't even play that big of a roll in the show. [[Hydra (BWN)\|Hydra]] got a spotlight in two episodes of the show and he probably had a small cameo in the finale too (I can't remember, it's been a while since I last watched the show). That means he has appeared three times! Which is more than anyone else that guest starred in the show ever did. I think we should have one big pow wow over whether we are listing just the main characters for each show or whether we are listing toy characters on cartoon pages because that seems to be the biggest contradiction here. And then we also need to figure out if minor Cybertronian characters should be listed there too. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 19:46, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

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	:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
	We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon series pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

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	:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)
			We probably need to start a larger discussion about these sections of cartoon pages. The section is variously titled as "Cast", "Main Cast", "Characters", or "Featured Characters". On the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]] page, for example, the section is called "Main Cast" but is then broken down by Main Cast, Main Antagonists, Major Recurring, Other Recurring, etc. That seems rather contradictory. What does the community want these sections to be? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:20, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

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	::The same could be said with RID 2015. The last time I checked there were only a small handful of Decepticon cast members listed on the main page, but wouldn't every character be worthy of mention on the main page in their own right? It was obviously cut down because very little of those characters had much to do with the show other than appear in one or two episodes. So my argument is when suggesting a main cast list for G1 I am thinking along the lines of the original Ark and Nemesis crews, Dinobots, Insecticons and combiner teams and the other extra toy cast members that followed in '85, '86 and '87. This would exclude the likes of the Rainmakers or the past Matrix-Bearers as they didn't have that much screen-time and were used for one-shot plot devices. Going back over what I had said before, Dion, the Fembots, Alpha Trion, Autoscout etc. probably would be left under that catergory too. For the humans, we could list the closest Autobot human allies such as the Witwicky family (Sparkplug, Spike, Daniel and Carly) and the likes of Chip Chase and Marissa Faireborn. They were predominantly shown to be the closest allies and appeared to help the Autobots on more than one occasion. We could leave out the evil humans like Dr. Arkevillle and Abdul Fakkadi as their roles were very miniscule at best and even then they were mainly used as simple pawns or plot-devices by the Decepticons to gain energy resources much like the previously mentioned Transformers. The show was originally made to sell some Japanese toys in the worldwide market. In my eyes, the show's main cast were the ones they wanted to sell the toys of. So in short, list the characters that they tried to sell toys of and list the main human allies. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		::The same could be said with RID 2015. The last time I checked there were only a small handful of Decepticon cast members listed on the main page, but wouldn't every character be worthy of mention on the main page in their own right? It was obviously cut down because very little of those characters had much to do with the show other than appear in one or two episodes. So my argument is when suggesting a main cast list for G1 I am thinking along the lines of the original Ark and Nemesis crews, Dinobots, Insecticons and combiner teams and the other extra toy cast members that followed in '85, '86 and '87. This would exclude the likes of the Rainmakers or the past Matrix-Bearers as they didn't have that much screen-time and were used for one-shot plot devices. Going back over what I had said before, Dion, the Fembots, Alpha Trion, Autoscout etc. probably would be left under that catergory too. For the humans, we could list the closest Autobot human allies such as the Witwicky family (Sparkplug, Spike, Daniel and Carly) and the likes of Chip Chase and Marissa Faireborn. They were predominantly shown to be the closest allies and appeared to help the Autobots on more than one occasion. We could leave out the evil humans like Dr. Arkevillle and Abdul Fakkadi as their roles were very miniscule at best and even then they were mainly used as simple pawns or plot-devices by the Decepticons to gain energy resources much like the previously mentioned Transformers. The show was originally made to sell some Japanese toys in the worldwide market. In my eyes, the show's main cast were the ones they wanted to sell the toys of. So in short, list the characters that they tried to sell toys of and list the main human allies. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to ~~revise~~ that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)		::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to change that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)

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	::The same could be said with RID 2015. The last time I checked there were only a small handful of Decepticon cast members listed on the main page, but wouldn't every character be worthy of mention on the main page in their own right? It was obviously cut down because very little of those characters had much to do with the show other than appear in one or two episodes. So my argument is when suggesting a main cast list for G1 I am thinking along the lines of the original Ark and Nemesis crews, Dinobots, Insecticons and combiner teams and the other extra toy cast members that followed in '85, '86 and '87. This would exclude the likes of the Rainmakers or the past Matrix-Bearers as they didn't have that much screen-time and were used for one-shot plot devices. Going back over what I had said before, Dion, the Fembots, Alpha Trion, Autoscout etc. probably would be left under that catergory too. For the humans, we could list the closest Autobot human allies such as the Witwicky family (Sparkplug, Spike, Daniel and Carly) and the likes of Chip Chase and Marissa Faireborn. They were predominantly shown to be the closest allies and appeared to help the Autobots on more than one occasion. We could leave out the evil humans like Dr. Arkevillle and Abdul Fakkadi as their roles were very miniscule at best and even then they were mainly used as simple pawns or plot-devices by the Decepticons to gain energy resources much like the previously mentioned Transformers. The show was originally made to sell some Japanese toys in the worldwide market. In my eyes, the show's main cast were the ones they wanted to sell the toys of. So in short, list the characters that they tried to sell toys of and list the main human allies. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		::The same could be said with RID 2015. The last time I checked there were only a small handful of Decepticon cast members listed on the main page, but wouldn't every character be worthy of mention on the main page in their own right? It was obviously cut down because very little of those characters had much to do with the show other than appear in one or two episodes. So my argument is when suggesting a main cast list for G1 I am thinking along the lines of the original Ark and Nemesis crews, Dinobots, Insecticons and combiner teams and the other extra toy cast members that followed in '85, '86 and '87. This would exclude the likes of the Rainmakers or the past Matrix-Bearers as they didn't have that much screen-time and were used for one-shot plot devices. Going back over what I had said before, Dion, the Fembots, Alpha Trion, Autoscout etc. probably would be left under that catergory too. For the humans, we could list the closest Autobot human allies such as the Witwicky family (Sparkplug, Spike, Daniel and Carly) and the likes of Chip Chase and Marissa Faireborn. They were predominantly shown to be the closest allies and appeared to help the Autobots on more than one occasion. We could leave out the evil humans like Dr. Arkevillle and Abdul Fakkadi as their roles were very miniscule at best and even then they were mainly used as simple pawns or plot-devices by the Decepticons to gain energy resources much like the previously mentioned Transformers. The show was originally made to sell some Japanese toys in the worldwide market. In my eyes, the show's main cast were the ones they wanted to sell the toys of. So in short, list the characters that they tried to sell toys of and list the main human allies. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:38, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
	:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)		:Somewhere, buried deep in one (or more) of the discussion pages of this Wiki, there is a reason given for why we don't have a Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. I don't remember what that reason was, but the point is that this discussion has already been had in the past and was decided that there would be no Main Cast table for the G1 cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:48, 23 July 2020 (EDT)
			::Interesting. It did strike me as weird that all the other shows have one but this one didn't. Thanks for the insight. If anyone does care to revise that decision then algood, if not, then that's fine too.[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:08, 24 July 2020 (EDT)