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	::::::::Yeah, sounds logical to me. Armada WAS premiered as a "movie", but given that each segment has a unique title and the home video releases have split them all up into episodes, I guess it's safe to say that it isn't the same situation as "Transform and Roll Out", now that you mention it. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 21:47, 25 February 2014 (EST)		::::::::Yeah, sounds logical to me. Armada WAS premiered as a "movie", but given that each segment has a unique title and the home video releases have split them all up into episodes, I guess it's safe to say that it isn't the same situation as "Transform and Roll Out", now that you mention it. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 21:47, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)		::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising (Prime)\|Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)		I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)

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	::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)		::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)
	:::I was mostly addressing this question: "I'm just curious as to what criteria warrants Animated's "movie" premier to get 1 article and Armada's "movie" premier to get 3" The answer is, Armada's premier episodes can more clearly be considered part of the "regular" run of episodes and not a separate "movie" because the total number of episodes is a standard multiple-of-thirteen, 52, which includes those three. "Transform and Roll Out" stands a apart from three subsequent 13-episode seasons. Just like "Predacons Rising" stands apart from Prime's "regular" run of 52. That's what makes them "movies" and not just multi-part episodes aired together, even if they're broken up that way for re-runs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 09:55, 27 February 2014 (EST)		:::I was mostly addressing this question: "I'm just curious as to what criteria warrants Animated's "movie" premier to get 1 article and Armada's "movie" premier to get 3" The answer is, Armada's premier episodes can more clearly be considered part of the "regular" run of episodes and not a separate "movie" because the total number of episodes is a standard multiple-of-thirteen, 52, which includes those three. "Transform and Roll Out" stands a apart from three subsequent 13-episode seasons. Just like "Predacons Rising" stands apart from Prime's "regular" run of 52. That's what makes them "movies" and not just multi-part episodes aired together, even if they're broken up that way for re-runs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 09:55, 27 February 2014 (EST)
			::::And as the individual who asked that question, I find that to be a perfectly reasonable answer. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 10:31, 27 February 2014 (EST)

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	:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)		:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)
	::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)		::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)
			:::I was mostly addressing this question: "I'm just curious as to what criteria warrants Animated's "movie" premier to get 1 article and Armada's "movie" premier to get 3" The answer is, Armada's premier episodes can more clearly be considered part of the "regular" run of episodes and not a separate "movie" because the total number of episodes is a standard multiple-of-thirteen, 52, which includes those three. "Transform and Roll Out" stands a apart from three subsequent 13-episode seasons. Just like "Predacons Rising" stands apart from Prime's "regular" run of 52. That's what makes them "movies" and not just multi-part episodes aired together, even if they're broken up that way for re-runs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 09:55, 27 February 2014 (EST)

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	I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)		I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)		:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)
	::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)		::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)

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	I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)		I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)		:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)
			::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)

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	:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)		I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)
			:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)

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	::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)		::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)
			I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)

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	:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)		::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)
			:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)

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	::::::::Yeah, sounds logical to me. Armada WAS premiered as a "movie", but given that each segment has a unique title and the home video releases have split them all up into episodes, I guess it's safe to say that it isn't the same situation as "Transform and Roll Out", now that you mention it. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 21:47, 25 February 2014 (EST)		::::::::Yeah, sounds logical to me. Armada WAS premiered as a "movie", but given that each segment has a unique title and the home video releases have split them all up into episodes, I guess it's safe to say that it isn't the same situation as "Transform and Roll Out", now that you mention it. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 21:47, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)
			::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)

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	::::::I don't remember enough about those specific broadcasts to comment on them in particular, but my general feeling is that if the material is first broadcast as a continuous presentation it should go on one page while if it is first presented as back to back broadcast of multiple episodes (complete with opening/closing credits for each part) it should be on multiple pages. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 16:37, 25 February 2014 (EST)		::::::I don't remember enough about those specific broadcasts to comment on them in particular, but my general feeling is that if the material is first broadcast as a continuous presentation it should go on one page while if it is first presented as back to back broadcast of multiple episodes (complete with opening/closing credits for each part) it should be on multiple pages. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 16:37, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	:::::::I'd also note that it was released on DVD as a movie, too, and has ''only'' been available on home video in that form up to this point. The movie is its "true state", if you will. We're not going to split out Predacons Rising, you know? - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:42, 25 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::I'd also note that it was released on DVD as a movie, too, and has ''only'' been available on home video in that form up to this point. The movie is its "true state", if you will. We're not going to split out Predacons Rising, you know? - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 16:42, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	::::::::Yeah, sounds logical to me. Armada WAS premiered as a "movie", but given that each segment has a unique title and the home video releases have split them all up into episodes, I guess it's safe to say that it isn't the same situation as "Transform and Roll Out", now that you mention it. --16:48, 25 February 2014 (EST)		::::::::Yeah, sounds logical to me. Armada WAS premiered as a "movie", but given that each segment has a unique title and the home video releases have split them all up into episodes, I guess it's safe to say that it isn't the same situation as "Transform and Roll Out", now that you mention it. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 21:47, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)

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	::::::::Yeah, sounds logical to me. Armada WAS premiered as a "movie", but given that each segment has a unique title and the home video releases have split them all up into episodes, I guess it's safe to say that it isn't the same situation as "Transform and Roll Out", now that you mention it. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 21:47, 25 February 2014 (EST)		::::::::Yeah, sounds logical to me. Armada WAS premiered as a "movie", but given that each segment has a unique title and the home video releases have split them all up into episodes, I guess it's safe to say that it isn't the same situation as "Transform and Roll Out", now that you mention it. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 21:47, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::However, the first HD widescreen broadcast of this was in split-episode form on the Hub, and if the upcoming Shout! Factory DVDs adhere to this, we could be looking at a home video release of this in split-episode form. Not to mention that "TransWarped" may have initially aired as a movie, but that only applies to the U.S. Most other markets like Canada aired it in episode form first. And wasn't pretty much a known fact since before "TaRO" aired that was "the first three episodes of the series" rather than "a movie preceding the episodes of the series"? Keeping it together feels kinda like we're pretending it was made only to be a movie rather than a mere three-part episode. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 19:25, 25 February 2014 (EST)
	::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)		::::::::::So if the wiki considers this a movie like [[Predacons Rising (Prime)\|Predacons Rising]], then why is the entire article written as though they are separate episodes with no indication they are meant to be viewed as one? [[User:Indridcold13\|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13\|talk]]) 00:12, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)		:::::::::::My guess is because every country ''but'' the US aired "Transform and Roll Out" as three separate episodes, and even in the US all rebroadcasts of "Transform and Roll Out" were as three episodes and not a movie. So the "part #" designations are to let readers know where the story was broken up for reruns. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 09:39, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)		I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)

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	::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)		::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)
	:::I was mostly addressing this question: "I'm just curious as to what criteria warrants Animated's "movie" premier to get 1 article and Armada's "movie" premier to get 3" The answer is, Armada's premier episodes can more clearly be considered part of the "regular" run of episodes and not a separate "movie" because the total number of episodes is a standard multiple-of-thirteen, 52, which includes those three. "Transform and Roll Out" stands a apart from three subsequent 13-episode seasons. Just like "Predacons Rising" stands apart from Prime's "regular" run of 52. That's what makes them "movies" and not just multi-part episodes aired together, even if they're broken up that way for re-runs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 09:55, 27 February 2014 (EST)		:::I was mostly addressing this question: "I'm just curious as to what criteria warrants Animated's "movie" premier to get 1 article and Armada's "movie" premier to get 3" The answer is, Armada's premier episodes can more clearly be considered part of the "regular" run of episodes and not a separate "movie" because the total number of episodes is a standard multiple-of-thirteen, 52, which includes those three. "Transform and Roll Out" stands a apart from three subsequent 13-episode seasons. Just like "Predacons Rising" stands apart from Prime's "regular" run of 52. That's what makes them "movies" and not just multi-part episodes aired together, even if they're broken up that way for re-runs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 09:55, 27 February 2014 (EST)
			::::And as the individual who asked that question, I find that to be a perfectly reasonable answer. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler\|talk]]) 10:31, 27 February 2014 (EST)

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	:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)		:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)
	::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)		::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)
			:::I was mostly addressing this question: "I'm just curious as to what criteria warrants Animated's "movie" premier to get 1 article and Armada's "movie" premier to get 3" The answer is, Armada's premier episodes can more clearly be considered part of the "regular" run of episodes and not a separate "movie" because the total number of episodes is a standard multiple-of-thirteen, 52, which includes those three. "Transform and Roll Out" stands a apart from three subsequent 13-episode seasons. Just like "Predacons Rising" stands apart from Prime's "regular" run of 52. That's what makes them "movies" and not just multi-part episodes aired together, even if they're broken up that way for re-runs. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 09:55, 27 February 2014 (EST)

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	I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)		I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)		:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)
	::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)		::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. Kind of like how the US Marvel comics stories are presented as units even though the UK broke them into smaller parts. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)

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	I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)		I think a big point in favor of treating it as a movie rather than three episodes: it was followed by 13 Season 1 episodes. Which were then followed by a 13 episode second season, and a 13 episode third season. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC\|talk]]) 17:13, 26 February 2014 (EST)
	:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)		:Only on the first broadcast. And not in every market, as all airings on the Hub (which the HD versions ought to count as a new broadcast run since those had never aired before) and foreign market dubs like the Japanese version aired it in episode form. So it isn't universally regarded as solely a movie. While it is a movie, it is also a three-part episode. Same with "TransWarped", whose initial airing in the U.S.'s next door neighbor of Canada was in episode form. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 08:04, 27 February 2014 (EST)
			::"Only on the first broadcast." That's exactly the point. It ORIGINATED as a unit. "And not in every market." Not to be too nationalistic about it, but surely the presentation in the market of origin should count for something. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)