Talk:Transformer naming - Revision history

Rhymus: /* A-name and J-name */ new section

2016-05-29T04:34:27Z

A-name and J-name: new section

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:34, 29 May 2016
Line 23:		Line 23:
	I came looking for an article on this subject on TFwiki, so at the very least there's a bit of demand for it. I started things out by adding a section on the real-world linguistic origins of several Transformers, and while a lot of work is still necessary, I'm confident that this article can become something very useful. The key is differentiating between fictional and meta-fictional aspects of naming. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 12:57, 25 September 2009 (EDT)		I came looking for an article on this subject on TFwiki, so at the very least there's a bit of demand for it. I started things out by adding a section on the real-world linguistic origins of several Transformers, and while a lot of work is still necessary, I'm confident that this article can become something very useful. The key is differentiating between fictional and meta-fictional aspects of naming. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 12:57, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
	:I was just reading through it and I think there are some good in-fiction points we could raise here - BW Megs states that he took his name from the Covenant of Primus, for example. Most of the Beast Warriors appear to change their names upon receiving new forms (and as such are not referred by name in Dawn of Futures Past) and Jazz tell Sammy in Man of Iron that his real name would be unpronounceable, if memory serves. I'm pretty sure Bumblebee is referred to as "Codename Bumblebee" at some point too but I can't remember where. Isn't this the sort of thing we should be writing about? --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 13:46, 25 September 2009 (EDT) Haha, I'm the least observant person in the world, I just saw Jim mentioned Man of Iron up there ^ --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 13:50, 25 September 2009 (EDT)		:I was just reading through it and I think there are some good in-fiction points we could raise here - BW Megs states that he took his name from the Covenant of Primus, for example. Most of the Beast Warriors appear to change their names upon receiving new forms (and as such are not referred by name in Dawn of Futures Past) and Jazz tell Sammy in Man of Iron that his real name would be unpronounceable, if memory serves. I'm pretty sure Bumblebee is referred to as "Codename Bumblebee" at some point too but I can't remember where. Isn't this the sort of thing we should be writing about? --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 13:46, 25 September 2009 (EDT) Haha, I'm the least observant person in the world, I just saw Jim mentioned Man of Iron up there ^ --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 13:50, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

			== A-name and J-name ==

			i seem to recall some [[Human\|organic creatures]] in one of the [[Dreamwave Productions]] comics ([[War and Peace]], i think) observing the Transformers and using the terms "[[America\|A]]-name" and "[[Japan\|J]]-name" in their notes (specifically, "A-name: Jazz, J-name: Meister"). Should this article, and/or the [[Easter egg]] article, mention the use of those [[abbreviations]]? Also, should some article (maybe [[Jazz (G1)]]) mention that in this continuity, rather than going by [[Primax_984.17_Alpha\|Jazz]] ''or'' [[OG_World\|Meister]], he was known as Jazz ''and'' Meister?

			At any rate, i don't have the book handy to double-check my punctuation (A. Name? j-name?) or citations, so i won't add any of this anywhere yet.

			--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 00:34, 29 May 2016 (EDT)

Abates at 21:30, 4 October 2009

2009-10-04T21:30:06Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:30, 4 October 2009
Line 9:		Line 9:

	It sounds to me from the edits above and below as though I'm not the only person who thinks that this article can be made into something useful. Is it appropriate to remove the deletion tag? I'm not clear on the policy here for such things, and a brief search of [[Transformers_Wiki:Policies]] didn't turn anything up. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 23:15, 25 September 2009 (EDT)		It sounds to me from the edits above and below as though I'm not the only person who thinks that this article can be made into something useful. Is it appropriate to remove the deletion tag? I'm not clear on the policy here for such things, and a brief search of [[Transformers_Wiki:Policies]] didn't turn anything up. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 23:15, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
			:If you want to put in the work to overhaul this article (and as Derik points out up there, it'll need a lot of work) then I don't think there's a problem with removing the deletion tag when you start. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 17:30, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

	== Sorry ==		== Sorry ==

Ayellowbirds: should we remove the deletion tag?

2009-09-26T03:15:50Z

should we remove the deletion tag?

← Older revision		Revision as of 03:15, 26 September 2009
Line 7:		Line 7:
	::::I was planning an article on naming conventions before the Bookworm crash, covering things like the three distinct types of name (English, Graeco-Latin, 'alien') in the franchise, but forgot about it during the catastrophe. Might be a good time to start drafting again. --[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 05:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		::::I was planning an article on naming conventions before the Bookworm crash, covering things like the three distinct types of name (English, Graeco-Latin, 'alien') in the franchise, but forgot about it during the catastrophe. Might be a good time to start drafting again. --[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 05:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
	There could also be a section on Transformer naming in the real world. How the original line-up was all named but then most of them rejected by Hasbro and had to be renamed, etc. And real-world Japanese names, if it is at all interesting. A lot of them have "English" Japanese names (like "Convoy") which confused me for a while. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 11:28, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		There could also be a section on Transformer naming in the real world. How the original line-up was all named but then most of them rejected by Hasbro and had to be renamed, etc. And real-world Japanese names, if it is at all interesting. A lot of them have "English" Japanese names (like "Convoy") which confused me for a while. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 11:28, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

			It sounds to me from the edits above and below as though I'm not the only person who thinks that this article can be made into something useful. Is it appropriate to remove the deletion tag? I'm not clear on the policy here for such things, and a brief search of [[Transformers_Wiki:Policies]] didn't turn anything up. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 23:15, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

	== Sorry ==		== Sorry ==

Emvee: /* Salvaging */

2009-09-25T17:50:00Z

Salvaging

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:50, 25 September 2009
Line 19:		Line 19:
	==Salvaging==		==Salvaging==
	I came looking for an article on this subject on TFwiki, so at the very least there's a bit of demand for it. I started things out by adding a section on the real-world linguistic origins of several Transformers, and while a lot of work is still necessary, I'm confident that this article can become something very useful. The key is differentiating between fictional and meta-fictional aspects of naming. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 12:57, 25 September 2009 (EDT)		I came looking for an article on this subject on TFwiki, so at the very least there's a bit of demand for it. I started things out by adding a section on the real-world linguistic origins of several Transformers, and while a lot of work is still necessary, I'm confident that this article can become something very useful. The key is differentiating between fictional and meta-fictional aspects of naming. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 12:57, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
	:I was just reading through it and I think there are some good in-fiction points we could raise here - BW Megs states that he took his name from the Covenant of Primus, for example. Most of the Beast Warriors appear to change their names upon receiving new forms (and as such are not referred by name in Dawn of Futures Past) and Jazz tell Sammy in Man of Iron that his real name would be unpronounceable, if memory serves. I'm pretty sure Bumblebee is referred to as "Codename Bumblebee" at some point too but I can't remember where. Isn't this the sort of thing we should be writing about? --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 13:46, 25 September 2009 (EDT)		:I was just reading through it and I think there are some good in-fiction points we could raise here - BW Megs states that he took his name from the Covenant of Primus, for example. Most of the Beast Warriors appear to change their names upon receiving new forms (and as such are not referred by name in Dawn of Futures Past) and Jazz tell Sammy in Man of Iron that his real name would be unpronounceable, if memory serves. I'm pretty sure Bumblebee is referred to as "Codename Bumblebee" at some point too but I can't remember where. Isn't this the sort of thing we should be writing about? --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 13:46, 25 September 2009 (EDT) Haha, I'm the least observant person in the world, I just saw Jim mentioned Man of Iron up there ^ --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 13:50, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

Emvee: /* Salvaging */

2009-09-25T17:46:16Z

Salvaging

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:46, 25 September 2009
Line 19:		Line 19:
	==Salvaging==		==Salvaging==
	I came looking for an article on this subject on TFwiki, so at the very least there's a bit of demand for it. I started things out by adding a section on the real-world linguistic origins of several Transformers, and while a lot of work is still necessary, I'm confident that this article can become something very useful. The key is differentiating between fictional and meta-fictional aspects of naming. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 12:57, 25 September 2009 (EDT)		I came looking for an article on this subject on TFwiki, so at the very least there's a bit of demand for it. I started things out by adding a section on the real-world linguistic origins of several Transformers, and while a lot of work is still necessary, I'm confident that this article can become something very useful. The key is differentiating between fictional and meta-fictional aspects of naming. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 12:57, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
			:I was just reading through it and I think there are some good in-fiction points we could raise here - BW Megs states that he took his name from the Covenant of Primus, for example. Most of the Beast Warriors appear to change their names upon receiving new forms (and as such are not referred by name in Dawn of Futures Past) and Jazz tell Sammy in Man of Iron that his real name would be unpronounceable, if memory serves. I'm pretty sure Bumblebee is referred to as "Codename Bumblebee" at some point too but I can't remember where. Isn't this the sort of thing we should be writing about? --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 13:46, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

Ayellowbirds: what I've done, what can be done

2009-09-25T16:57:25Z

what I've done, what can be done

← Older revision		Revision as of 16:57, 25 September 2009
Line 16:		Line 16:
	:Plus you're bumping up against some meta-fictional questions. Are Transformer names ''really'' Greko-roman? Fiction presents Transformers as speaking English, but they don't really... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:44, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		:Plus you're bumping up against some meta-fictional questions. Are Transformer names ''really'' Greko-roman? Fiction presents Transformers as speaking English, but they don't really... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:44, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
	:::The "very general" aspect is very true in regards to the "Autobots" section where it claims they generally have heroic-sounding names. That's... well, no. Honestly, most Transformers have names that could go on a character of either good or evil (plus the naming of the section forgets the existence of Maximals). I mean, "classic" "hero" names like Ironhide, Mirage, Wheeljack, Chromia, Sandstorm, and Hot Rod have all been applied to villains... and "classic" "villain" names like Soundwave, Frenzy, Bonecrusher, Divebomb, Swindle and Skywarp have been applied to good guys. (And I'm not talking Shattered Glass here either.) Move beyond the first three years and the number of cross-ideological names only grows by leaps and bounds. At best, you can say the Decepticons have a slightly higher ratio of evil-sounding names than the Autobots have heroic-sounding ones... but not by a lot. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 15:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		:::The "very general" aspect is very true in regards to the "Autobots" section where it claims they generally have heroic-sounding names. That's... well, no. Honestly, most Transformers have names that could go on a character of either good or evil (plus the naming of the section forgets the existence of Maximals). I mean, "classic" "hero" names like Ironhide, Mirage, Wheeljack, Chromia, Sandstorm, and Hot Rod have all been applied to villains... and "classic" "villain" names like Soundwave, Frenzy, Bonecrusher, Divebomb, Swindle and Skywarp have been applied to good guys. (And I'm not talking Shattered Glass here either.) Move beyond the first three years and the number of cross-ideological names only grows by leaps and bounds. At best, you can say the Decepticons have a slightly higher ratio of evil-sounding names than the Autobots have heroic-sounding ones... but not by a lot. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 15:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

			==Salvaging==
			I came looking for an article on this subject on TFwiki, so at the very least there's a bit of demand for it. I started things out by adding a section on the real-world linguistic origins of several Transformers, and while a lot of work is still necessary, I'm confident that this article can become something very useful. The key is differentiating between fictional and meta-fictional aspects of naming. [[User:Ayellowbirds\|Ayellowbirds]] 12:57, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

M Sipher: /* Sorry */

2009-08-03T19:56:35Z

Sorry

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:56, 3 August 2009
Line 15:		Line 15:
	:What Jim, said. Really, these 'general topic' articles are among the ''hardest'' to write, because in order to say something that's 'true' for all of Transformers you have to be either ''very'' general, or start getting into ''very'' specific examples.		:What Jim, said. Really, these 'general topic' articles are among the ''hardest'' to write, because in order to say something that's 'true' for all of Transformers you have to be either ''very'' general, or start getting into ''very'' specific examples.
	:Plus you're bumping up against some meta-fictional questions. Are Transformer names ''really'' Greko-roman? Fiction presents Transformers as speaking English, but they don't really... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:44, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		:Plus you're bumping up against some meta-fictional questions. Are Transformer names ''really'' Greko-roman? Fiction presents Transformers as speaking English, but they don't really... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:44, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
	:::The "very general" aspect is very true in regards to the "Autobots" section where it claims they generally have heroic-sounding names. That's... well, no. Honestly, most Transformers have names that could go on a character of either good or evil (plus the naming of the section forgets the existence of Maximals). I mean, "classic" "hero" names like Ironhide, Mirage, Wheeljack, Chromia, Sandstorm, and Hot Rod have all been applied to villains... and "classic" "villain" names like Soundwave, Frenzy, ~~bonecrusher~~, Divebomb and Skywarp have been applied to good guys. (And I'm not talking Shattered Glass here either.) Move beyond the first three years and the number of cross-ideological names only grows by leaps and bounds. At best, you can say the Decepticons have a slightly higher ratio of evil-sounding names than the Autobots have heroic-sounding ones... but not by a lot. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 15:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		:::The "very general" aspect is very true in regards to the "Autobots" section where it claims they generally have heroic-sounding names. That's... well, no. Honestly, most Transformers have names that could go on a character of either good or evil (plus the naming of the section forgets the existence of Maximals). I mean, "classic" "hero" names like Ironhide, Mirage, Wheeljack, Chromia, Sandstorm, and Hot Rod have all been applied to villains... and "classic" "villain" names like Soundwave, Frenzy, Bonecrusher, Divebomb, Swindle and Skywarp have been applied to good guys. (And I'm not talking Shattered Glass here either.) Move beyond the first three years and the number of cross-ideological names only grows by leaps and bounds. At best, you can say the Decepticons have a slightly higher ratio of evil-sounding names than the Autobots have heroic-sounding ones... but not by a lot. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 15:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

M Sipher: /* Sorry */

2009-08-03T19:52:58Z

Sorry

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:52, 3 August 2009
Line 15:		Line 15:
	:What Jim, said. Really, these 'general topic' articles are among the ''hardest'' to write, because in order to say something that's 'true' for all of Transformers you have to be either ''very'' general, or start getting into ''very'' specific examples.		:What Jim, said. Really, these 'general topic' articles are among the ''hardest'' to write, because in order to say something that's 'true' for all of Transformers you have to be either ''very'' general, or start getting into ''very'' specific examples.
	:Plus you're bumping up against some meta-fictional questions. Are Transformer names ''really'' Greko-roman? Fiction presents Transformers as speaking English, but they don't really... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:44, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		:Plus you're bumping up against some meta-fictional questions. Are Transformer names ''really'' Greko-roman? Fiction presents Transformers as speaking English, but they don't really... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:44, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
			:::The "very general" aspect is very true in regards to the "Autobots" section where it claims they generally have heroic-sounding names. That's... well, no. Honestly, most Transformers have names that could go on a character of either good or evil (plus the naming of the section forgets the existence of Maximals). I mean, "classic" "hero" names like Ironhide, Mirage, Wheeljack, Chromia, Sandstorm, and Hot Rod have all been applied to villains... and "classic" "villain" names like Soundwave, Frenzy, bonecrusher, Divebomb and Skywarp have been applied to good guys. (And I'm not talking Shattered Glass here either.) Move beyond the first three years and the number of cross-ideological names only grows by leaps and bounds. At best, you can say the Decepticons have a slightly higher ratio of evil-sounding names than the Autobots have heroic-sounding ones... but not by a lot. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 15:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

Derik: /* Sorry */

2009-08-03T17:44:04Z

Sorry

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:44, 3 August 2009
Line 13:		Line 13:
	:It's not a stupid article. It's a smart article that's clumsily executed. If it was really just stupid, we'd have just marked it for deletion instead of debating about it. Keep trying, you'll get the hang of it. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 11:03, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		:It's not a stupid article. It's a smart article that's clumsily executed. If it was really just stupid, we'd have just marked it for deletion instead of debating about it. Keep trying, you'll get the hang of it. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 11:03, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
	::It was a good faith effort that was appreciated. It just needs a little touching up. Don't let the deletion comments discourage you. -- [[User:SFH\|SFH]] 11:19, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		::It was a good faith effort that was appreciated. It just needs a little touching up. Don't let the deletion comments discourage you. -- [[User:SFH\|SFH]] 11:19, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
			:What Jim, said. Really, these 'general topic' articles are among the ''hardest'' to write, because in order to say something that's 'true' for all of Transformers you have to be either ''very'' general, or start getting into ''very'' specific examples.
			:Plus you're bumping up against some meta-fictional questions. Are Transformer names ''really'' Greko-roman? Fiction presents Transformers as speaking English, but they don't really... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:44, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

Starfield at 15:28, 3 August 2009

2009-08-03T15:28:56Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:28, 3 August 2009
Line 6:		Line 6:
	:::Yes, a complete rewrite is necessary, but there is some good potential here. BTW, Man of Iron features something to the effect of "Optimus Prime calling Autobot operative codenamed Jazz." --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 01:31, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		:::Yes, a complete rewrite is necessary, but there is some good potential here. BTW, Man of Iron features something to the effect of "Optimus Prime calling Autobot operative codenamed Jazz." --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 01:31, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
	::::I was planning an article on naming conventions before the Bookworm crash, covering things like the three distinct types of name (English, Graeco-Latin, 'alien') in the franchise, but forgot about it during the catastrophe. Might be a good time to start drafting again. --[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 05:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		::::I was planning an article on naming conventions before the Bookworm crash, covering things like the three distinct types of name (English, Graeco-Latin, 'alien') in the franchise, but forgot about it during the catastrophe. Might be a good time to start drafting again. --[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 05:52, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
			There could also be a section on Transformer naming in the real world. How the original line-up was all named but then most of them rejected by Hasbro and had to be renamed, etc. And real-world Japanese names, if it is at all interesting. A lot of them have "English" Japanese names (like "Convoy") which confused me for a while. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 11:28, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

	== Sorry ==		== Sorry ==