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2012-09-16T04:56:28Z

OK, So how do we do it?

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	Well Hasbro's given the New Universe line it's own page so really time to make a definate decision on this. It seems like the general concensus is seperate pages for the old defunct Universe line and the New one. Yes? Makes sense to me. So how do we want to go with the line's overal page? [[Universe (2008 franchise)]] is the best I can think of but it's admitedly awkward. If we do go with that then we need to rename/move this one to '''Universe (???? franchise)''' for whatever year it started, yes?		Well Hasbro's given the New Universe line it's own page so really time to make a definate decision on this. It seems like the general concensus is seperate pages for the old defunct Universe line and the New one. Yes? Makes sense to me. So how do we want to go with the line's overal page? [[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)\|Universe (2008 franchise)]] is the best I can think of but it's admitedly awkward. If we do go with that then we need to rename/move this one to '''Universe (???? franchise)''' for whatever year it started, yes?

	(edit- Oh and I just realized we may need as disambig page since we have the Marvel Universe profuile books too)		(edit- Oh and I just realized we may need as disambig page since we have the Marvel Universe profuile books too)

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2009-08-29T18:00:34Z

Universe "2" how do we handle it.: dead link

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	:::::I'm all in favor of waiting until the toys are out, the bios are up, etc. Anything that people decide to use in the Wiki now will probably end up changing, no matter what conclusion we come to with our limited evidence.		:::::I'm all in favor of waiting until the toys are out, the bios are up, etc. Anything that people decide to use in the Wiki now will probably end up changing, no matter what conclusion we come to with our limited evidence.
	:::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 19:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)		:::::- [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 19:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Character parentheticals are one thing- they go in their home continuity-family by first-choice, right? So if we got a 'Universe 2' Waspinator, since Universe is a G1 Continutiy Family line, that character would be [[Waspinator (G1)]], right? We'd only need a more specific designation if there was overlap- like if we got a Universe 2.0 Divebomb figure? -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 19:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)		::::::Character parentheticals are one thing- they go in their home continuity-family by first-choice, right? So if we got a 'Universe 2' Waspinator, since Universe is a G1 Continutiy Family line, that character would be "Waspinator (G1)", right? We'd only need a more specific designation if there was overlap- like if we got a Universe 2.0 Divebomb figure? -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 19:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::"''that character would be [[Waspinator (G1)]], right?''"		:::::::"''that character would be "Waspinator (G1)", right?''"
	:::::::Uh, no. the new ''Universe'' line is not explicitly "G1 only". It's a "not the main line" line for whatever Hasbro feels liek making that isn't Animated (or Movie product, seemingly) and that's about it, as Hasbro said it was at BC07. (That wave 1 is all new-mold G1 guys is just how things worked out.) In fact, both the G1 and Beast Wars Robot Heroes have the new "Transformers Universe" packaging/logo. If we get a toy with a recycled name a toy that cannot be reasonably assumed to be any pre-existing character of that name, then we would have to determine what it goes under by if it has any sort of fictional setting attached to it or not. If we can't figure it out, it'd end up liekly having to be dismbigged by the line name. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)		:::::::Uh, no. the new ''Universe'' line is not explicitly "G1 only". It's a "not the main line" line for whatever Hasbro feels liek making that isn't Animated (or Movie product, seemingly) and that's about it, as Hasbro said it was at BC07. (That wave 1 is all new-mold G1 guys is just how things worked out.) In fact, both the G1 and Beast Wars Robot Heroes have the new "Transformers Universe" packaging/logo. If we get a toy with a recycled name a toy that cannot be reasonably assumed to be any pre-existing character of that name, then we would have to determine what it goes under by if it has any sort of fictional setting attached to it or not. If we can't figure it out, it'd end up liekly having to be dismbigged by the line name. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Yea, we msy even need the actual cases for some of this. Take the Classics Legends. The toy packaging makes not mention of "Classics", but the case (which was used to ship my Legends Menasor and Whirl, oddly enough) is labeled "TRA CLASSICS LEGENDS ASST WV 2 07". --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 19:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)		::::::Yea, we msy even need the actual cases for some of this. Take the Classics Legends. The toy packaging makes not mention of "Classics", but the case (which was used to ship my Legends Menasor and Whirl, oddly enough) is labeled "TRA CLASSICS LEGENDS ASST WV 2 07". --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 19:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

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	::::I guess as a more general question, then: if a character dimension jumps from one continuity family to another family or subcontinuity, are those new adventures listed under the reality the character is in or the reality the character is from? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 22:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)		::::I guess as a more general question, then: if a character dimension jumps from one continuity family to another family or subcontinuity, are those new adventures listed under the reality the character is in or the reality the character is from? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 22:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
	:::::The reality the character is in. Check out [[Sideswipe (G1)]] for what I consider to be a good example of how it's done. In most cases, you won't even need to specify which continuity the ''Universe'' comics belong in; they're just their own high-level header. If Sideswipe had ALSO had, say, a ''Beast Wars'' cartoon appearance, then there might be a need for an umbrella header for both of them. (In [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections\|my sandbox on the subject]], I suggested "Beast cartoon continuity". There, I also folded the ''Universe'' comic into a "3H comics" header. You probably don't need to be that nonspecific if all you're talking about is ''Universe'', though.) - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		:::::The reality the character is in. Check out [[Sideswipe (G1)]] for what I consider to be a good example of how it's done. In most cases, you won't even need to specify which continuity the ''Universe'' comics belong in; they're just their own high-level header. If Sideswipe had ALSO had, say, a ''Beast Wars'' cartoon appearance, then there might be a need for an umbrella header for both of them. (In [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections\|my sandbox on the subject]], I suggested "Beast cartoon continuity". There, I also folded the ''Universe'' comic into a "3H comics" header. You probably don't need to be that nonspecific if all you're talking about is ''Universe'', though.) - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Jackpot: /* Universe Fiction */

2008-06-03T23:13:18Z

Universe Fiction

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	::::So what about cases like Brawn? Here's a guy pulled out of the Generation 2 comic continuity and dropped into (supposedly) Beast Era cartoon continuity. So should he get a separate Beast Era heading, should the Beast Era be made a subheading under his Marvel Comics continuity heading, even though it would never be there on any other character's page or...ow. ow. ow. I think my cerebellum just imploded.		::::So what about cases like Brawn? Here's a guy pulled out of the Generation 2 comic continuity and dropped into (supposedly) Beast Era cartoon continuity. So should he get a separate Beast Era heading, should the Beast Era be made a subheading under his Marvel Comics continuity heading, even though it would never be there on any other character's page or...ow. ow. ow. I think my cerebellum just imploded.

	::::I guess as a more general question, then: if a character dimension jumps from one continuity family to another family or subcontinuity, are those new adventures listed under the reality the character is in or the reality the character is from? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 22:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::::I guess as a more general question, then: if a character dimension jumps from one continuity family to another family or subcontinuity, are those new adventures listed under the reality the character is in or the reality the character is from? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 22:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
			:::::The reality the character is in. Check out [[Sideswipe (G1)]] for what I consider to be a good example of how it's done. In most cases, you won't even need to specify which continuity the ''Universe'' comics belong in; they're just their own high-level header. If Sideswipe had ALSO had, say, a ''Beast Wars'' cartoon appearance, then there might be a need for an umbrella header for both of them. (In [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections\|my sandbox on the subject]], I suggested "Beast cartoon continuity". There, I also folded the ''Universe'' comic into a "3H comics" header. You probably don't need to be that nonspecific if all you're talking about is ''Universe'', though.) - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Xaaron: /* Universe Fiction */

2008-06-03T22:22:44Z

Universe Fiction

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	::Even for characters that wouldn't have a Beast Era heading normally, like Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Big Daddy...? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)		::Even for characters that wouldn't have a Beast Era heading normally, like Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Big Daddy...? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

	:::I agree with Walky, though I admit it gets tricky because we don't know what dimension Unicron is in, if he's in any pre-established dimension at all. To use your examples, Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker would certainly get "Beast Era" sections because their ''Universe'' backstory puts them in the BW/BM universe all along, simply offworld until they returned to the technorganic Cybertron. But Big Daddy showed up only within Unicron, so technically he may have never been in a Beast universe. I could see making exceptions for characters like him, elevating their "''Universe'' comic" sections to top-level because the Unicron-dimension they're in isn't identifiable as any other universe. For simplicity's sake, I'd ''like'' to be able to say that Uni is still just in the BM universe, but I don't think there's any evidence for that. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 17:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:::I agree with Walky, though I admit it gets tricky because we don't know what dimension Unicron is in, if he's in any pre-established dimension at all. To use your examples, Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker would certainly get "Beast Era" sections because their ''Universe'' backstory puts them in the BW/BM universe all along, simply offworld until they returned to the technorganic Cybertron. But Big Daddy showed up only within Unicron, so technically he may have never been in a Beast universe. I could see making exceptions for characters like him, elevating their "''Universe'' comic" sections to top-level because the Unicron-dimension they're in isn't identifiable as any other universe. For simplicity's sake, I'd ''like'' to be able to say that Uni is still just in the BM universe, but I don't think there's any evidence for that. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 17:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

			::::So what about cases like Brawn? Here's a guy pulled out of the Generation 2 comic continuity and dropped into (supposedly) Beast Era cartoon continuity. So should he get a separate Beast Era heading, should the Beast Era be made a subheading under his Marvel Comics continuity heading, even though it would never be there on any other character's page or...ow. ow. ow. I think my cerebellum just imploded.

			::::I guess as a more general question, then: if a character dimension jumps from one continuity family to another family or subcontinuity, are those new adventures listed under the reality the character is in or the reality the character is from? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 22:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Jackpot: /* Universe Fiction */

2008-05-30T17:24:33Z

Universe Fiction

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	:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)		:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

	::Even for characters that wouldn't have a Beast Era heading normally, like Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Big Daddy...? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::Even for characters that wouldn't have a Beast Era heading normally, like Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Big Daddy...? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

			:::I agree with Walky, though I admit it gets tricky because we don't know what dimension Unicron is in, if he's in any pre-established dimension at all. To use your examples, Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker would certainly get "Beast Era" sections because their ''Universe'' backstory puts them in the BW/BM universe all along, simply offworld until they returned to the technorganic Cybertron. But Big Daddy showed up only within Unicron, so technically he may have never been in a Beast universe. I could see making exceptions for characters like him, elevating their "''Universe'' comic" sections to top-level because the Unicron-dimension they're in isn't identifiable as any other universe. For simplicity's sake, I'd ''like'' to be able to say that Uni is still just in the BM universe, but I don't think there's any evidence for that. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 17:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Xaaron: /* Universe Fiction */

2008-05-30T04:14:09Z

Universe Fiction

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	Where's the best location for the Universe comics to be located in the Fiction section of Character Pages? I've seen it as a separate heading, a subheading of the Cartoon, a subheading of Beast Wars, etc. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)		Where's the best location for the Universe comics to be located in the Fiction section of Character Pages? I've seen it as a separate heading, a subheading of the Cartoon, a subheading of Beast Wars, etc. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

	:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

			::Even for characters that wouldn't have a Beast Era heading normally, like Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Big Daddy...? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

ItsWalky: /* Universe Fiction */

2008-05-30T04:04:49Z

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	Where's the best location for the Universe comics to be located in the Fiction section of Character Pages? I've seen it as a separate heading, a subheading of the Cartoon, a subheading of Beast Wars, etc. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)		Where's the best location for the Universe comics to be located in the Fiction section of Character Pages? I've seen it as a separate heading, a subheading of the Cartoon, a subheading of Beast Wars, etc. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

	Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

ItsWalky: /* Universe Fiction */

2008-05-30T04:04:39Z

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	Where's the best location for the Universe comics to be located in the Fiction section of Character Pages? I've seen it as a separate heading, a subheading of the Cartoon, a subheading of Beast Wars, etc. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		Where's the best location for the Universe comics to be located in the Fiction section of Character Pages? I've seen it as a separate heading, a subheading of the Cartoon, a subheading of Beast Wars, etc. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

			Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)		:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

	::Even for characters that wouldn't have a Beast Era heading normally, like Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Big Daddy...? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::Even for characters that wouldn't have a Beast Era heading normally, like Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Big Daddy...? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

			:::I agree with Walky, though I admit it gets tricky because we don't know what dimension Unicron is in, if he's in any pre-established dimension at all. To use your examples, Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker would certainly get "Beast Era" sections because their ''Universe'' backstory puts them in the BW/BM universe all along, simply offworld until they returned to the technorganic Cybertron. But Big Daddy showed up only within Unicron, so technically he may have never been in a Beast universe. I could see making exceptions for characters like him, elevating their "''Universe'' comic" sections to top-level because the Unicron-dimension they're in isn't identifiable as any other universe. For simplicity's sake, I'd ''like'' to be able to say that Uni is still just in the BM universe, but I don't think there's any evidence for that. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 17:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	Where's the best location for the Universe comics to be located in the Fiction section of Character Pages? I've seen it as a separate heading, a subheading of the Cartoon, a subheading of Beast Wars, etc. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)		Where's the best location for the Universe comics to be located in the Fiction section of Character Pages? I've seen it as a separate heading, a subheading of the Cartoon, a subheading of Beast Wars, etc. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

	:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Should be a subheading of "Beast Era," I believe wholeheartedly. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

			::Even for characters that wouldn't have a Beast Era heading normally, like Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Big Daddy...? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>