https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ATransformers_%282023%29_issue_30 2026-09-16T03:44:38Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers_(2023)_issue_30&diff=1901623&oldid=prev 2026-03-13T21:28:50Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:28, 13 March 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Optimus doesn&#039;t seem shocked or by The Matrix&#039;s choice he doesn&#039;t seem dismayed or hurt. --[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Optimus doesn&#039;t seem shocked or by The Matrix&#039;s choice he doesn&#039;t seem dismayed or hurt. --[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Optimus says &quot;None can deny the will of the Matrix&quot;. Ergo, the Matrix made the choice, not him, because he falls under &quot;none&quot;. Or at least, that&#039;s the most straightforward reading. [[User:BerylRoll|BerylRoll]] ([[User talk:BerylRoll|talk]]) 14:08, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Optimus says &quot;None can deny the will of the Matrix&quot;. Ergo, the Matrix made the choice, not him, because he falls under &quot;none&quot;. Or at least, that&#039;s the most straightforward reading. [[User:BerylRoll|BerylRoll]] ([[User talk:BerylRoll|talk]]) 14:08, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Prime says the leader "must be chosen," and Ultra Magnus literally says "the Matrix has chosen" in response to Elita becoming Prime. There's no mistake here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:28, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Chris McFeely https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers_(2023)_issue_30&diff=1901616&oldid=prev 2026-03-13T18:14:44Z

<p><span class="autocomment">I Think the Main Summary Is Wrong</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 18:14, 13 March 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l5">Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Optimus doesn&#039;t seem shocked or by The Matrix&#039;s choice he doesn&#039;t seem dismayed or hurt. --[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Optimus doesn&#039;t seem shocked or by The Matrix&#039;s choice he doesn&#039;t seem dismayed or hurt. --[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Optimus says "None can deny the will of the Matrix". Ergo, the Matrix made the choice, not him, because he falls under "none". Or at least, that's the most straightforward reading.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Optimus says "None can deny the will of the Matrix". Ergo, the Matrix made the choice, not him, because he falls under "none". Or at least, that's the most straightforward reading. [[User:BerylRoll|BerylRoll]] ([[User talk:BerylRoll|talk]]) 14:08, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:And why would Optimus be dismayed or hurt by the situation? </del>[[User:BerylRoll|BerylRoll]] ([[User talk:BerylRoll|talk]]) 14:08, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> </table>

BerylRoll https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers_(2023)_issue_30&diff=1901615&oldid=prev 2026-03-13T18:08:56Z

<p><span class="autocomment">I Think the Main Summary Is Wrong</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 18:08, 13 March 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== I Think the Main Summary Is Wrong ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== I Think the Main Summary Is Wrong ==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the main summary, it stated that the matrix chooses Elita over Optimus. I think that&#039;s a misinterpretation of the events on the page.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the main summary, it stated that the matrix chooses Elita over Optimus. I think that&#039;s a misinterpretation of the events on the page.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Optimus doesn&#039;t seem shocked or by The Matrix&#039;s choice he doesn&#039;t seem dismayed or hurt. --[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Optimus doesn&#039;t seem shocked or by The Matrix&#039;s choice he doesn&#039;t seem dismayed or hurt. --[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Optimus says "None can deny the will of the Matrix". Ergo, the Matrix made the choice, not him, because he falls under "none". Or at least, that's the most straightforward reading.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:And why would Optimus be dismayed or hurt by the situation? [[User:BerylRoll|BerylRoll]] ([[User talk:BerylRoll|talk]]) 14:08, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

BerylRoll https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers_(2023)_issue_30&diff=1901614&oldid=prev 2026-03-13T17:55:11Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:55, 13 March 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== I Think the Main Summary Is Wrong ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== I Think the Main Summary Is Wrong ==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Looking at the sequence of events, optimus stops elita&#039;s fight, opens the matrix chamber and gives it to her, and then she becomes a prime. An insert panel has the characters reacting in shock before the choice is made. That doesn&#039;t read as it choosing her over him. That read as him voluntarily stepping down as prime and giving the role to her, in order to fight for earth. The line about a leader being Chosen to me is about Optimus choosing a successor, not The Matrix choosing.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Looking at the sequence of events, optimus stops elita&#039;s fight, opens the matrix chamber and gives it to her, and then she becomes a prime. An insert panel has the characters reacting in shock before the choice is made. That doesn&#039;t read as it choosing her over him. That read as him voluntarily stepping down as prime and giving the role to her, in order to fight for earth. The line about a leader being Chosen to me is about Optimus choosing a successor, not The Matrix choosing.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Optimus doesn't seem shocked or by The Matrix's choice he doesn't seem dismayed or hurt.  </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Optimus doesn't seem shocked or by The Matrix's choice he doesn't seem dismayed or hurt. --[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> </table>

Saix https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers_(2023)_issue_30&diff=1901612&oldid=prev 2026-03-13T17:40:10Z

<p>creating the discussion page</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div><br /> == I Think the Main Summary Is Wrong ==<br /> <br /> In the main summary, it stated that the matrix chooses Elita over Optimus. I think that&#039;s a misinterpretation of the events on the page.<br /> <br /> Looking at the sequence of events, optimus stops elita&#039;s fight, opens the matrix chamber and gives it to her, and then she becomes a prime. An insert panel has the characters reacting in shock before the choice is made. That doesn&#039;t read as it choosing her over him. That read as him voluntarily stepping down as prime and giving the role to her, in order to fight for earth. The line about a leader being Chosen to me is about Optimus choosing a successor, not The Matrix choosing. <br /> <br /> Optimus doesn&#039;t seem shocked or by The Matrix&#039;s choice he doesn&#039;t seem dismayed or hurt. <br /> <br /> --[[User:Leia G|Leia G]] ([[User talk:Leia G|talk]]) 13:40, 13 March 2026 (EDT)<br /> ----</div>

Leia G