Talk:Tree of Life - Revision history

Derik at 19:53, 16 September 2010

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	I wish I'd twigged on to this while I was working on the Almanacs.--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 15:50, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		I wish I'd twigged on to this while I was working on the Almanacs.--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 15:50, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

			:Meh. One does what one can.
			:With the (entirely sensible) retcon that the AllSpark lies at the core of the Well of All Sparks, that also retroactively places the AllSpark in most TF continuities. (Assumming the pool of metal the first TF's arose from in Marvel continuity was the well-- and we've every reason to believe it is.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:53, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Jimsorenson at 19:50, 16 September 2010

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	I don't plan on putting it into the article <small>(and the line is certainly blurred enough, with the Matrix being used for trips on the Sephirot)</small> but that really appears to be the 'shape' continuity is assuming. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:23, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		I don't plan on putting it into the article <small>(and the line is certainly blurred enough, with the Matrix being used for trips on the Sephirot)</small> but that really appears to be the 'shape' continuity is assuming. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:23, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

	I wish I'd twigged on to this while I was working on the Almanacs.--[[~~Special~~:~~Contributions/63.203.180.99~~\|~~63.203.180.99~~]] 15:46, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		I wish I'd twigged on to this while I was working on the Almanacs.--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 15:50, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

63.203.180.99 at 19:46, 16 September 2010

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	* AllSpark == Tree of Life		* AllSpark == Tree of Life
	I don't plan on putting it into the article <small>(and the line is certainly blurred enough, with the Matrix being used for trips on the Sephirot)</small> but that really appears to be the 'shape' continuity is assuming. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:23, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		I don't plan on putting it into the article <small>(and the line is certainly blurred enough, with the Matrix being used for trips on the Sephirot)</small> but that really appears to be the 'shape' continuity is assuming. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:23, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

			I wish I'd twigged on to this while I was working on the Almanacs.--[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99\|63.203.180.99]] 15:46, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Derik at 19:23, 16 September 2010

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	:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
	::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. Er, re: the purple pillars and flying equations, that is. Think you're pushing it correlating random moments to the different levels. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. Er, re: the purple pillars and flying equations, that is. Think you're pushing it correlating random moments to the different levels. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

			Having finally finished TF: Exodus, I'm going to throw this out:
			* Matrix == Tree of Knowledge
			* AllSpark == Tree of Life
			I don't plan on putting it into the article <small>(and the line is certainly blurred enough, with the Matrix being used for trips on the Sephirot)</small> but that really appears to be the 'shape' continuity is assuming. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:23, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Chris McFeely at 14:38, 8 September 2010

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	Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
	:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
	::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. Er, re: the purple pillars and flying equations, that is. Think you're pushing it correlating random moments to the different levels. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

Chris McFeely at 14:29, 8 September 2010

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	Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
	:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
			::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000 at 13:55, 8 September 2010

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	Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
			:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

Derik: TransformingSeminarian, eat your heart out. (Transformers+Human Theology isn't a big field of interest, but the competition is very fierce.)

2010-09-08T06:43:39Z

TransformingSeminarian, eat your heart out. (Transformers+Human Theology isn't a big field of interest, but the competition is very fierce.)

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	:::::There's at least a tiny possibility that linking it to The One would be '''very''' appropriate. TF Legends had a reasonable helping of 2003 'grand vision' of the TF Multiverse which spawned 'Worlds Collide,' the whole "Transformers as a Mystery Religion" approach where the reader from their privileged position viewing multiple universes simultaneously often has a clearer idea of what's going on than the main characters do. That's when The One made its never-properly-articulated debut, and and the year <u>Legends</u> was published. It's entirely possible that Skir was asked to fold some of this stuff in. (I don't particularly care if this was the case or not, it's just ''interesting.'')		:::::There's at least a tiny possibility that linking it to The One would be '''very''' appropriate. TF Legends had a reasonable helping of 2003 'grand vision' of the TF Multiverse which spawned 'Worlds Collide,' the whole "Transformers as a Mystery Religion" approach where the reader from their privileged position viewing multiple universes simultaneously often has a clearer idea of what's going on than the main characters do. That's when The One made its never-properly-articulated debut, and and the year <u>Legends</u> was published. It's entirely possible that Skir was asked to fold some of this stuff in. (I don't particularly care if this was the case or not, it's just ''interesting.'')
	:::::And you don't see bile leveled at Skir on the wiki because we are '''gentlemen''' here, and we are above such spurious character-assassination. ...except me, obviously. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:03, 7 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::And you don't see bile leveled at Skir on the wiki because we are '''gentlemen''' here, and we are above such spurious character-assassination. ...except me, obviously. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:03, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

			Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

Derik at 02:03, 8 September 2010

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	:::Anyway just a heads up. Any contamination from Derik's Crazy Ideas shouldn't stray beyond this page, and the community can veto me if things get too wacky, as per usual. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:07, 7 September 2010 (EDT)		:::Anyway just a heads up. Any contamination from Derik's Crazy Ideas shouldn't stray beyond this page, and the community can veto me if things get too wacky, as per usual. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:07, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::There is no effective difference between Botanica's hip-guns, Primal's chest-gun, Strika's wrist-guns, and Jetstorm's shoulder-guns. It is a worthless nontroversy. And since this is exactly the first ever discussion about the tree concept I have seen anywhere since the book was published 6 years ago, I don't see how it has "earned Skir such bile". It only ever appeared in one story, it didn't really mean anything, and it's pretty clearly not in effect anymore as no one else has ever used it or even mentioned it since. It's a weird curio, probably his attempt at an... I'd say "Easter Egg," but, uh, more like a hamantosh. This is a PERFECT CASE STUDY of an abandoned concept within the canon; linking it with "The One" would be quite appropriate in that regard. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 21:42, 7 September 2010 (EDT)		::::There is no effective difference between Botanica's hip-guns, Primal's chest-gun, Strika's wrist-guns, and Jetstorm's shoulder-guns. It is a worthless nontroversy. And since this is exactly the first ever discussion about the tree concept I have seen anywhere since the book was published 6 years ago, I don't see how it has "earned Skir such bile". It only ever appeared in one story, it didn't really mean anything, and it's pretty clearly not in effect anymore as no one else has ever used it or even mentioned it since. It's a weird curio, probably his attempt at an... I'd say "Easter Egg," but, uh, more like a hamantosh. This is a PERFECT CASE STUDY of an abandoned concept within the canon; linking it with "The One" would be quite appropriate in that regard. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 21:42, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
			:::::There's at least a tiny possibility that linking it to The One would be '''very''' appropriate. TF Legends had a reasonable helping of 2003 'grand vision' of the TF Multiverse which spawned 'Worlds Collide,' the whole "Transformers as a Mystery Religion" approach where the reader from their privileged position viewing multiple universes simultaneously often has a clearer idea of what's going on than the main characters do. That's when The One made its never-properly-articulated debut, and and the year <u>Legends</u> was published. It's entirely possible that Skir was asked to fold some of this stuff in. (I don't particularly care if this was the case or not, it's just ''interesting.'')
			:::::And you don't see bile leveled at Skir on the wiki because we are '''gentlemen''' here, and we are above such spurious character-assassination. ...except me, obviously. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:03, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000 at 01:42, 8 September 2010

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	:::FYI Walky, I plan to go pretty straight-on gnostic w/ this page, taking the material as it's straightforwardly presented. (I assume Rosicrucian can check me on the details, probably others.) [[The One]] is related to this concept, using Blake's model of "Gnostic emanations to resolve internal conflict" so the two articles will probably end up tied together. I'm cautiously optimistic that everything can be stitched together the way it's 'supposed' to go without straying beyond the TF source material.		:::FYI Walky, I plan to go pretty straight-on gnostic w/ this page, taking the material as it's straightforwardly presented. (I assume Rosicrucian can check me on the details, probably others.) [[The One]] is related to this concept, using Blake's model of "Gnostic emanations to resolve internal conflict" so the two articles will probably end up tied together. I'm cautiously optimistic that everything can be stitched together the way it's 'supposed' to go without straying beyond the TF source material.
	:::Anyway just a heads up. Any contamination from Derik's Crazy Ideas shouldn't stray beyond this page, and the community can veto me if things get too wacky, as per usual. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:07, 7 September 2010 (EDT)		:::Anyway just a heads up. Any contamination from Derik's Crazy Ideas shouldn't stray beyond this page, and the community can veto me if things get too wacky, as per usual. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:07, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
			::::There is no effective difference between Botanica's hip-guns, Primal's chest-gun, Strika's wrist-guns, and Jetstorm's shoulder-guns. It is a worthless nontroversy. And since this is exactly the first ever discussion about the tree concept I have seen anywhere since the book was published 6 years ago, I don't see how it has "earned Skir such bile". It only ever appeared in one story, it didn't really mean anything, and it's pretty clearly not in effect anymore as no one else has ever used it or even mentioned it since. It's a weird curio, probably his attempt at an... I'd say "Easter Egg," but, uh, more like a hamantosh. This is a PERFECT CASE STUDY of an abandoned concept within the canon; linking it with "The One" would be quite appropriate in that regard. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 21:42, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

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	Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
	:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
	::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. Er, re: the purple pillars and flying equations, that is. Think you're pushing it correlating random moments to the different levels. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

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	Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
	:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)		:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
			::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)