Talk:Unknown Constructicon shovel - Revision history

TheLastGherkin at 09:45, 16 January 2025

2025-01-16T09:45:28Z

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	== Merge ''Scrapmetal'' and ''Unknown Constructicon shovel''? ==		== Merge ''Scrapmetal'' and ''Unknown Constructicon shovel''? ==

	Okay so I happened to read back over that "Behind-the-Design"[https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator] post mentioned on [[Hasbro Pulse]] for SS Devastator and discovered something I didn't pick up on the first time reading it. Since '''[[Skipjack (ROTF)\|Skipjack]]''' has been more or less retconned as being Devastator's leg and we've made note of this on just about every page he's mentioned on on the wiki, I had also discovered that Mike B. and other Hasbro designers consider '''[[Unknown Constructicon shovel]]''' and '''[[Scrapmetal (ROTF)\|Scrapmetal]]''' the same character.		Okay so I happened to read back over that "Behind-the-Design"[https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator] post mentioned on [[Hasbro Pulse]] for SS Devastator and discovered something I didn't pick up on the first time reading it. Since '''[[Skipjack (ROTF)\|Skipjack]]''' has been more or less retconned as being Devastator's leg and we've made note of this on just about every page he's mentioned on on the wiki, I had also discovered that Mike B. and other Hasbro designers consider '''[[Unknown Constructicon shovel]]''' and '''[[Scrapmetal (ROTF)\|Scrapmetal]]''' the same character.

	''"However, when watching the scene we noticed that the left arm was formed by two figures: Scrapmetal and Hightower."''		''"However, when watching the scene we noticed that the left arm was formed by two figures: Scrapmetal and Hightower."''

Fanofcoolstuff27: /* Merge Scrapmetal and Unknown Constructicon shovel? */ new section

2020-11-06T00:06:16Z

Merge Scrapmetal and Unknown Constructicon shovel?: new section

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	[[User:Memeuser17\|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17\|talk]]) 10:05, 29 November 2018 (EST)		[[User:Memeuser17\|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17\|talk]]) 10:05, 29 November 2018 (EST)
	:...he turns into a Volvo excavator in the film as well. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 10:11, 29 November 2018 (EST)		:...he turns into a Volvo excavator in the film as well. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 10:11, 29 November 2018 (EST)

			== Merge ''Scrapmetal'' and ''Unknown Constructicon shovel''? ==

			Okay so I happened to read back over that "Behind-the-Design"[https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator] post mentioned on [[Hasbro Pulse]] for SS Devastator and discovered something I didn't pick up on the first time reading it. Since '''[[Skipjack (ROTF)\|Skipjack]]''' has been more or less retconned as being Devastator's leg and we've made note of this on just about every page he's mentioned on on the wiki, I had also discovered that Mike B. and other Hasbro designers consider '''[[Unknown Constructicon shovel]]''' and '''[[Scrapmetal (ROTF)\|Scrapmetal]]''' the same character.

			''"However, when watching the scene we noticed that the left arm was formed by two figures: Scrapmetal and Hightower."''

			Would this basically mean that they are the same characters with the same robot designs and different vehicles? (Animation errors of Scrapmetal using [[Scrapper (ROTF)\|Scrapper's]] CGI model aside). I also see this as [[Hasbro]] more or less doing their classic "not quite the alternate mode, but close enough" schtick, much like [[Scalpel (ROTF)\|Scalpel]] being a lense meter in the film and a microscope in toy form or [[Nitro Zeus]] being a different jet in the film when compared to his toy or an even more classic one [[Bumblebee (Movie)\|WWII Bumblebee]]/[[Hot Rod (DOTM)\|WWII Hot Rod]] being entirely different alternate forms to their appearance in the film, to name a few examples.

			I wanna see what everyone else thinks and see whether it would be worth merging the two pages and making note of this development. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 19:06, 5 November 2020 (EST)

Escargon: /* Scrapmetal is him */

2018-11-29T15:11:34Z

Scrapmetal is him

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	Although the Studio Series one is an excavator, this guy might be Scrapmetal. Hasbro confirms Scrapmetal transforming into a bulldozer. The "shovel" is a bulldozer. The shovel isn't a track loader also but a bulldozer, so it's safer to assume it's him		Although the Studio Series one is an excavator, this guy might be Scrapmetal. Hasbro confirms Scrapmetal transforming into a bulldozer. The "shovel" is a bulldozer. The shovel isn't a track loader also but a bulldozer, so it's safer to assume it's him
	[[User:Memeuser17\|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17\|talk]]) 10:05, 29 November 2018 (EST)		[[User:Memeuser17\|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17\|talk]]) 10:05, 29 November 2018 (EST)
			:...he turns into a Volvo excavator in the film as well. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 10:11, 29 November 2018 (EST)

Memeuser17: /* Scrapmetal is him */

2018-11-29T15:05:10Z

Scrapmetal is him

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	Although the Studio Series one is an excavator, this guy might be Scrapmetal. Hasbro confirms Scrapmetal transforming into a bulldozer. The "shovel" is a bulldozer. The shovel isn't a track loader also but a bulldozer, so it's safer to assume it's him		Although the Studio Series one is an excavator, this guy might be Scrapmetal. Hasbro confirms Scrapmetal transforming into a bulldozer. The "shovel" is a bulldozer. The shovel isn't a track loader also but a bulldozer, so it's safer to assume it's him
			[[User:Memeuser17\|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17\|talk]]) 10:05, 29 November 2018 (EST)

Memeuser17: /* Alt-Mode */

2018-11-29T15:04:35Z

Alt-Mode

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	This dude isn't a bulldozer, it is a track loader that is based on a heavily modified Caterpillar bulldozer of which the model is either a D7, or D8 and I guess the movie producers modified it to such an extent (older track loader arms, large wheel loader buckets) that it resembles a large track loader of unknown make (Probably Caterpillar) as shown when transforming with Hightower (Kobelco Crawler Crane).		This dude isn't a bulldozer, it is a track loader that is based on a heavily modified Caterpillar bulldozer of which the model is either a D7, or D8 and I guess the movie producers modified it to such an extent (older track loader arms, large wheel loader buckets) that it resembles a large track loader of unknown make (Probably Caterpillar) as shown when transforming with Hightower (Kobelco Crawler Crane).

			==Scrapmetal is him==

			Although the Studio Series one is an excavator, this guy might be Scrapmetal. Hasbro confirms Scrapmetal transforming into a bulldozer. The "shovel" is a bulldozer. The shovel isn't a track loader also but a bulldozer, so it's safer to assume it's him

Detour: Talk:Dirtjack moved to Talk:Unknown Constructicon shovel over redirect: revert

2011-09-27T06:58:29Z

Talk:Dirtjack moved to Talk:Unknown Constructicon shovel over redirect: revert

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Adamcs: Talk:Unknown Constructicon shovel moved to Talk:Dirtjack

2011-09-27T06:54:57Z

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68.253.210.192: /* Alt-Mode */ new section

2010-05-02T14:09:11Z

Alt-Mode: new section

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	Um, doesn't this guy transform into a Bulldozer? IIRC, there are still some differences between a bulldozer and a shovel/loader. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 02:47, 6 November 2009 (EST)		Um, doesn't this guy transform into a Bulldozer? IIRC, there are still some differences between a bulldozer and a shovel/loader. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 02:47, 6 November 2009 (EST)
	:Yeah, a "shovel" would be if it had a scoop on a long articulated arm. This guy is a bulldozer. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 19:10, 23 December 2009 (EST)		:Yeah, a "shovel" would be if it had a scoop on a long articulated arm. This guy is a bulldozer. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 19:10, 23 December 2009 (EST)

			== Alt-Mode ==

			This dude isn't a bulldozer, it is a track loader that is based on a heavily modified Caterpillar bulldozer of which the model is either a D7, or D8 and I guess the movie producers modified it to such an extent (older track loader arms, large wheel loader buckets) that it resembles a large track loader of unknown make (Probably Caterpillar) as shown when transforming with Hightower (Kobelco Crawler Crane).

Repowers: /* Alt mode */

2009-12-24T00:10:48Z

Alt mode

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	Um, doesn't this guy transform into a Bulldozer? IIRC, there are still some differences between a bulldozer and a shovel/loader. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 02:47, 6 November 2009 (EST)		Um, doesn't this guy transform into a Bulldozer? IIRC, there are still some differences between a bulldozer and a shovel/loader. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 02:47, 6 November 2009 (EST)
			:Yeah, a "shovel" would be if it had a scoop on a long articulated arm. This guy is a bulldozer. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 19:10, 23 December 2009 (EST)

TX55: /* Alt mode */

2009-11-06T07:49:22Z

Alt mode

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	== Alt mode ==		== Alt mode ==

	Um, doesn't this guy transform into a Bulldozer? --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 02:47, 6 November 2009 (EST)		Um, doesn't this guy transform into a Bulldozer? IIRC, there are still some differences between a bulldozer and a shovel/loader. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 02:47, 6 November 2009 (EST)

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	:...he turns into a Volvo excavator in the film as well. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 10:11, 29 November 2018 (EST)		:...he turns into a Volvo excavator in the film as well. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 10:11, 29 November 2018 (EST)

			== Merge ''Scrapmetal'' and ''Unknown Constructicon shovel''? ==

			Okay so I happened to read back over that "Behind-the-Design"[https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator] post mentioned on [[Hasbro Pulse]] for SS Devastator and discovered something I didn't pick up on the first time reading it. Since '''[[Skipjack (ROTF)\|Skipjack]]''' has been more or less retconned as being Devastator's leg and we've made note of this on just about every page he's mentioned on on the wiki, I had also discovered that Mike B. and other Hasbro designers consider '''[[Unknown Constructicon shovel]]''' and '''[[Scrapmetal (ROTF)\|Scrapmetal]]''' the same character.

			''"However, when watching the scene we noticed that the left arm was formed by two figures: Scrapmetal and Hightower."''

			Would this basically mean that they are the same characters with the same robot designs and different vehicles? (Animation errors of Scrapmetal using [[Scrapper (ROTF)\|Scrapper's]] CGI model aside). I also see this as [[Hasbro]] more or less doing their classic "not quite the alternate mode, but close enough" schtick, much like [[Scalpel (ROTF)\|Scalpel]] being a lense meter in the film and a microscope in toy form or [[Nitro Zeus]] being a different jet in the film when compared to his toy or an even more classic one [[Bumblebee (Movie)\|WWII Bumblebee]]/[[Hot Rod (DOTM)\|WWII Hot Rod]] being entirely different alternate forms to their appearance in the film, to name a few examples.

			I wanna see what everyone else thinks and see whether it would be worth merging the two pages and making note of this development. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 19:06, 5 November 2020 (EST)