Talk:Ursagryph - Revision history

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	:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:::Oh frack, I just read what you said about the box specifically calling Grimwing's beast mode "Ursagryph Mode". That being the case, I think what I said earlier was wrong, and Ursagryph should be considered a subspecies of Predacon.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::Oh frack, I just read what you said about the box specifically calling Grimwing's beast mode "Ursagryph Mode". That being the case, I think what I said earlier was wrong, and Ursagryph should be considered a subspecies of Predacon.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			::Hmm, this makes sense to me. The Predacon alt modes inspired the Earth myths, so the alt modes must be Cybertronian critters. [[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:10, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:::Grimwing's ~~species is simply~~ "~~Predacon~~". ~~The statement about Ursagryphs in no way implies that Ursagryphs are~~ a subspecies of Predacon~~, it's just the toy designer stating what he based the design on. Ursagryphs are ''not'' meant to be part of the Transformers fictional universe, any more than Gundams or Digimon are~~.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:20, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::Oh frack, I just read what you said about the box specifically calling Grimwing's beast mode "Ursagryph Mode". That being the case, I think what I said earlier was wrong, and Ursagryph should be considered a subspecies of Predacon.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:::~~Predacons~~ are ~~Predacons. They're not Transformers taking the alt-mode form~~ of ~~Cybertronian wildlife~~, ~~they~~'~~re Predacons who look like Dragons,~~ just ~~like I'm a human rather than someone taking~~ the ~~alt-mode form of a human. You're ignoring~~ the ~~main facet of their background (being a prehistoric draconic species), and massively misinterpreting what is a fairly basic statement about Grimwing's~~ design. Ursagryphs are ''not'' meant to be part of the Transformers fictional universe, any more than Gundams or Digimon are~~. That a toy designer bases a character's design on one of them doesn't make them part of the fictional universe.~~		:::Grimwing's species is simply "Predacon". The statement about Ursagryphs in no way implies that Ursagryphs are a subspecies of Predacon, it's just the toy designer stating what he based the design on. Ursagryphs are ''not'' meant to be part of the Transformers fictional universe, any more than Gundams or Digimon are.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:20, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	~~::::Furthermore, even if they did bring ursagryphs into the TF universe, there's absolutely no reason at this point to assume they are Cybertronian wildlife or can shoot lasers from their eyes~~.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:20, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			:::Predacons are Predacons. They're not Transformers taking the alt-mode form of Cybertronian wildlife, they're Predacons who look like Dragons, just like I'm a human rather than someone taking the alt-mode form of a human. You're ignoring the main facet of their background (being a prehistoric draconic species), and massively misinterpreting what is a fairly basic statement about Grimwing's design. Ursagryphs are ''not'' meant to be part of the Transformers fictional universe, any more than Gundams or Digimon are. That a toy designer bases a character's design on one of them doesn't make them part of the fictional universe.
			::::Furthermore, even if they did bring ursagryphs into the TF universe, there's absolutely no reason at this point to assume they are Cybertronian wildlife or can shoot lasers from their eyes.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:20, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

Transfotaku at 22:59, 13 August 2013

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	:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	:::::::There is a little bit of buzz around the term "ursagryph" because of the toys. People will probably be googling it. That might be enough reason to have a page. It doesn't deserve much more content than this page currently has—no fiction section, just the real-world explanation. Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals. Air Hammer was not inspired by a pre-existing mythological creature. As far as a category is concerned, it could be something out-of-universe, like [[:Category:Toys\|toys]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 12:38, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::::::There is a little bit of buzz around the term "ursagryph" because of the toys. People will probably be googling it. That might be enough reason to have a page. It doesn't deserve much more content than this page currently has—no fiction section, just the real-world explanation. Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals. Air Hammer was not inspired by a pre-existing mythological creature. As far as a category is concerned, it could be something out-of-universe, like [[:Category:Toys\|toys]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 12:38, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	::::::::"Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals." I'm curious as to what you think an ursagryph is. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 13:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		::::::::"Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals." I'm curious as to what you think an ursagryph is. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 13:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	::::::From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. [[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		::::::From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. [[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:::::::There is a little bit of buzz around the term "ursagryph" because of the toys. People will probably be googling it. That might be enough reason to have a page. It doesn't deserve much more content than this page currently has—no fiction section, just the real-world explanation. Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals. Air Hammer was not inspired by a pre-existing mythological creature. As far as a category is concerned, it could be something out-of-universe, like [[:Category:Toys\|toys]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 12:38, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::::::There is a little bit of buzz around the term "ursagryph" because of the toys. People will probably be googling it. That might be enough reason to have a page. It doesn't deserve much more content than this page currently has—no fiction section, just the real-world explanation. Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals. Air Hammer was not inspired by a pre-existing mythological creature. As far as a category is concerned, it could be something out-of-universe, like [[:Category:Toys\|toys]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 12:38, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			::::::::"Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals." I'm curious as to what you think an ursagryph is. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 13:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	::::::From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. [[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		::::::From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. [[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:::::::There is a little bit of buzz around the term "ursagryph" because of the toys. People will probably be googling it. That might be enough reason to have a page. It doesn't deserve much more content than this page currently has—no fiction section, just the real-world explanation. Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals. Air Hammer was not inspired by a pre-existing mythological creature. As far as a category is concerned, it could be something out-of-universe, like [[:Category:Toys\|toys]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 12:38, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::::::There is a little bit of buzz around the term "ursagryph" because of the toys. People will probably be googling it. That might be enough reason to have a page. It doesn't deserve much more content than this page currently has—no fiction section, just the real-world explanation. Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals. Air Hammer was not inspired by a pre-existing mythological creature. As far as a category is concerned, it could be something out-of-universe, like [[:Category:Toys\|toys]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 12:38, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

			I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	::::::"In-fiction" would mean that, despite Roulette being designed after Sakuyamon, Sakuyamon does not exist within the Transformers universe.		::::::"In-fiction" would mean that, despite Roulette being designed after Sakuyamon, Sakuyamon does not exist within the Transformers universe.
	::::::From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. [[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		::::::From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. [[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			:::::::There is a little bit of buzz around the term "ursagryph" because of the toys. People will probably be googling it. That might be enough reason to have a page. It doesn't deserve much more content than this page currently has—no fiction section, just the real-world explanation. Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals. Air Hammer was not inspired by a pre-existing mythological creature. As far as a category is concerned, it could be something out-of-universe, like [[:Category:Toys\|toys]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 12:38, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	:::::Yeah, I don't think this needs an article, especially since we don't know anything about ursagryphs besides that Grimwing is one. We don't have an article for the FB-129, say, or Air Hammer's "hammerhead hawk" mode. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 09:41, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::::Yeah, I don't think this needs an article, especially since we don't know anything about ursagryphs besides that Grimwing is one. We don't have an article for the FB-129, say, or Air Hammer's "hammerhead hawk" mode. -[[User:LV\|LV]] 09:41, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	::::::It's very, ''very'' obscure, but there are results from before Transformers Prime, [http://www.google.com/search?q=ursagryph&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&safe=active#bav=on.2,or.&fp=c5e5314ba1f5624a&q=ursagryph+-grimwing+-transformers+-prime&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-SearchBox&safe=active primarily related to D&D and furry RPs]. You gotta filter out the Grimwing results to find it, though.		::::::It's very, ''very'' obscure, but there are results from before Transformers Prime, [http://www.google.com/search?q=ursagryph&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&safe=active#bav=on.2,or.&fp=c5e5314ba1f5624a&q=ursagryph+-grimwing+-transformers+-prime+-%22%E3%82%B0%E3%83%AA%E3%83%A0%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%22+-%22%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%80%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%22&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-SearchBox&safe=active primarily related to D&D and furry RPs]. You gotta filter out the Grimwing results to find it, though.
	::::::"In-fiction" would mean that, despite Roulette being designed after Sakuyamon, Sakuyamon does not exist within the Transformers universe.		::::::"In-fiction" would mean that, despite Roulette being designed after Sakuyamon, Sakuyamon does not exist within the Transformers universe.
	::::::From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. [[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		::::::From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. [[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:::Oh frack, I just read what you said about the box specifically calling Grimwing's beast mode "Ursagryph Mode". That being the case, I think what I said earlier was wrong, and Ursagryph should be considered a subspecies of Predacon.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::Oh frack, I just read what you said about the box specifically calling Grimwing's beast mode "Ursagryph Mode". That being the case, I think what I said earlier was wrong, and Ursagryph should be considered a subspecies of Predacon.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			::Hmm, this makes sense to me. The Predacon alt modes inspired the Earth myths, so the alt modes must be Cybertronian critters. [[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:10, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:::Grimwing's ~~species is simply~~ "~~Predacon~~". ~~The statement about Ursagryphs in no way implies that Ursagryphs are~~ a subspecies of Predacon~~, it's just the toy designer stating what he based the design on. Ursagryphs are ''not'' meant to be part of the Transformers fictional universe, any more than Gundams or Digimon are~~.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:20, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::Oh frack, I just read what you said about the box specifically calling Grimwing's beast mode "Ursagryph Mode". That being the case, I think what I said earlier was wrong, and Ursagryph should be considered a subspecies of Predacon.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	:::~~Predacons~~ are ~~Predacons. They're not Transformers taking the alt-mode form~~ of ~~Cybertronian wildlife~~, ~~they~~'~~re Predacons who look like Dragons,~~ just ~~like I'm a human rather than someone taking~~ the ~~alt-mode form of a human. You're ignoring~~ the ~~main facet of their background (being a prehistoric draconic species), and massively misinterpreting what is a fairly basic statement about Grimwing's~~ design. Ursagryphs are ''not'' meant to be part of the Transformers fictional universe, any more than Gundams or Digimon are~~. That a toy designer bases a character's design on one of them doesn't make them part of the fictional universe.~~		:::Grimwing's species is simply "Predacon". The statement about Ursagryphs in no way implies that Ursagryphs are a subspecies of Predacon, it's just the toy designer stating what he based the design on. Ursagryphs are ''not'' meant to be part of the Transformers fictional universe, any more than Gundams or Digimon are.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:20, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	~~::::Furthermore, even if they did bring ursagryphs into the TF universe, there's absolutely no reason at this point to assume they are Cybertronian wildlife or can shoot lasers from their eyes~~.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:20, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			:::Predacons are Predacons. They're not Transformers taking the alt-mode form of Cybertronian wildlife, they're Predacons who look like Dragons, just like I'm a human rather than someone taking the alt-mode form of a human. You're ignoring the main facet of their background (being a prehistoric draconic species), and massively misinterpreting what is a fairly basic statement about Grimwing's design. Ursagryphs are ''not'' meant to be part of the Transformers fictional universe, any more than Gundams or Digimon are. That a toy designer bases a character's design on one of them doesn't make them part of the fictional universe.
			::::Furthermore, even if they did bring ursagryphs into the TF universe, there's absolutely no reason at this point to assume they are Cybertronian wildlife or can shoot lasers from their eyes.[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 19:20, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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	:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		:::::::::As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
	I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)		I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
			I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. [[User:Transfotaku\|Transfotaku]] 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)