Talk:Victory Leo - Revision history

Catsukki at 18:35, 14 March 2023

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	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)		I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

			In the caption for the Haslab Victory Saber picture on both this page and the main Ginrai (Robot) page, there is a hyperlink to Victory Leo Notes, but Victory Leo does not have a notes section, and none of the notes on either Ginrai page seem to connect to the caption. -- [[User:Catsukki\|Catsukki]] ([[User talk:Catsukki\|talk]]) 11:34, 14 March 2023 (PDT)

Cyberlink420: Undo revision 1560217 by Projectus (talk) Maybe don't tell people not to give their opinion when there's an active discussion happening. That's a jerk move.

2021-10-17T07:17:52Z

Undo revision 1560217 by Projectus (talk) Maybe don't tell people not to give their opinion when there's an active discussion happening. That's a jerk move.

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	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)		I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::: Dude let it dropped, it just one of those things like Gavatron either is or isn't megatron (And don't get me started on Galvatron II).--[[User:Projectus\|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus\|talk]]) 03:06, 17 October 2021 (EDT)

Projectus at 07:06, 17 October 2021

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	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)		I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)
			::::::::::: Dude let it dropped, it just one of those things like Gavatron either is or isn't megatron (And don't get me started on Galvatron II).--[[User:Projectus\|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus\|talk]]) 03:06, 17 October 2021 (EDT)

Fanofcoolstuff27: /* Further separation from Ginrai? */

2021-10-17T03:23:35Z

Further separation from Ginrai?

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	:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping ~~them~~ separate to better ~~distuigish~~ them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)		I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

Fanofcoolstuff27: /* Further separation from Ginrai? */

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Further separation from Ginrai?

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	:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
			I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping them separate to better distuigish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

Jimsorenson: /* Further separation from Ginrai? */ well that was premature

2021-10-12T23:23:17Z

Further separation from Ginrai?: well that was premature

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	:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)

	Aaaaaaanyway it seems like the concensus is to move V.L. material here. Better for Hasbro, better for readers. Any last minute thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 14:23, 12 October 2021 (EDT)

ItsWalky at 18:33, 12 October 2021

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	::::::::Actually the opposite. I'm not intimately familiar with the Unicron Trilogy stuff so I'm not commenting on it but I know Victory well. Victory And Masterforce are nearer and dearer to my heart than Armada and Cybertron. Victory I encountered earlier in my fandom, back in the 90s. And yes, Victory Leo acts VERY differently than Ginrai who was mostly defined by his reluctance to get involved with the conflict at all and coming to terms with his position as de facto leader. V.L. does precisely none of that. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 16:59, 9 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::Actually the opposite. I'm not intimately familiar with the Unicron Trilogy stuff so I'm not commenting on it but I know Victory well. Victory And Masterforce are nearer and dearer to my heart than Armada and Cybertron. Victory I encountered earlier in my fandom, back in the 90s. And yes, Victory Leo acts VERY differently than Ginrai who was mostly defined by his reluctance to get involved with the conflict at all and coming to terms with his position as de facto leader. V.L. does precisely none of that. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 16:59, 9 October 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
			::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)

	Aaaaaaanyway it seems like the concensus is to move V.L. material here. Better for Hasbro, better for readers. Any last minute thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 14:23, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		Aaaaaaanyway it seems like the concensus is to move V.L. material here. Better for Hasbro, better for readers. Any last minute thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 14:23, 12 October 2021 (EDT)

Jimsorenson: /* Further separation from Ginrai? */

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Further separation from Ginrai?

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	::::::::Actually the opposite. I'm not intimately familiar with the Unicron Trilogy stuff so I'm not commenting on it but I know Victory well. Victory And Masterforce are nearer and dearer to my heart than Armada and Cybertron. Victory I encountered earlier in my fandom, back in the 90s. And yes, Victory Leo acts VERY differently than Ginrai who was mostly defined by his reluctance to get involved with the conflict at all and coming to terms with his position as de facto leader. V.L. does precisely none of that. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 16:59, 9 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::Actually the opposite. I'm not intimately familiar with the Unicron Trilogy stuff so I'm not commenting on it but I know Victory well. Victory And Masterforce are nearer and dearer to my heart than Armada and Cybertron. Victory I encountered earlier in my fandom, back in the 90s. And yes, Victory Leo acts VERY differently than Ginrai who was mostly defined by his reluctance to get involved with the conflict at all and coming to terms with his position as de facto leader. V.L. does precisely none of that. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 16:59, 9 October 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)

			Aaaaaaanyway it seems like the concensus is to move V.L. material here. Better for Hasbro, better for readers. Any last minute thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 14:23, 12 October 2021 (EDT)

Saix: /* Further separation from Ginrai? */

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	:::::::Ditto for Energon Mirage and Snow Cat. Again, this is seeming to boil down to VL being a older Japanese character while the other examples are more contemporary to the wiki and more well-known to us as Westerners. A kid in 1989 who read the bio on his Victory Leo toy and watched the cartoon isn’t going to conceptualize him as a different guy to God Ginrai just like how kids in 2004 didn’t think Mirage was a different guy to Tidal Wave despite the different appearance, name, and behavior in the cartoon. (And, once again, VL doesn’t act differently to GG.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:24, 9 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::Ditto for Energon Mirage and Snow Cat. Again, this is seeming to boil down to VL being a older Japanese character while the other examples are more contemporary to the wiki and more well-known to us as Westerners. A kid in 1989 who read the bio on his Victory Leo toy and watched the cartoon isn’t going to conceptualize him as a different guy to God Ginrai just like how kids in 2004 didn’t think Mirage was a different guy to Tidal Wave despite the different appearance, name, and behavior in the cartoon. (And, once again, VL doesn’t act differently to GG.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:24, 9 October 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::Actually the opposite. I'm not intimately familiar with the Unicron Trilogy stuff so I'm not commenting on it but I know Victory well. Victory And Masterforce are nearer and dearer to my heart than Armada and Cybertron. Victory I encountered earlier in my fandom, back in the 90s. And yes, Victory Leo acts VERY differently than Ginrai who was mostly defined by his reluctance to get involved with the conflict at all and coming to terms with his position as de facto leader. V.L. does precisely none of that. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 16:59, 9 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::Actually the opposite. I'm not intimately familiar with the Unicron Trilogy stuff so I'm not commenting on it but I know Victory well. Victory And Masterforce are nearer and dearer to my heart than Armada and Cybertron. Victory I encountered earlier in my fandom, back in the 90s. And yes, Victory Leo acts VERY differently than Ginrai who was mostly defined by his reluctance to get involved with the conflict at all and coming to terms with his position as de facto leader. V.L. does precisely none of that. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 16:59, 9 October 2021 (EDT)
			:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)

Jimsorenson: /* Further separation from Ginrai? */

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	::::::@Jim: Hmm, if we were to go by that, then Leobreaker would have to be split from Overhaul since his name, design, role in story (he's given far more prominence and even command positions), and (slightly) his voice all change from when he was Overhaul. Only his personality remains the same. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 16:00, 9 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::@Jim: Hmm, if we were to go by that, then Leobreaker would have to be split from Overhaul since his name, design, role in story (he's given far more prominence and even command positions), and (slightly) his voice all change from when he was Overhaul. Only his personality remains the same. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 16:00, 9 October 2021 (EDT)
	:::::::Ditto for Energon Mirage and Snow Cat. Again, this is seeming to boil down to VL being a older Japanese character while the other examples are more contemporary to the wiki and more well-known to us as Westerners. A kid in 1989 who read the bio on his Victory Leo toy and watched the cartoon isn’t going to conceptualize him as a different guy to God Ginrai just like how kids in 2004 didn’t think Mirage was a different guy to Tidal Wave despite the different appearance, name, and behavior in the cartoon. (And, once again, VL doesn’t act differently to GG.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:24, 9 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::Ditto for Energon Mirage and Snow Cat. Again, this is seeming to boil down to VL being a older Japanese character while the other examples are more contemporary to the wiki and more well-known to us as Westerners. A kid in 1989 who read the bio on his Victory Leo toy and watched the cartoon isn’t going to conceptualize him as a different guy to God Ginrai just like how kids in 2004 didn’t think Mirage was a different guy to Tidal Wave despite the different appearance, name, and behavior in the cartoon. (And, once again, VL doesn’t act differently to GG.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 16:24, 9 October 2021 (EDT)
			::::::::Actually the opposite. I'm not intimately familiar with the Unicron Trilogy stuff so I'm not commenting on it but I know Victory well. Victory And Masterforce are nearer and dearer to my heart than Armada and Cybertron. Victory I encountered earlier in my fandom, back in the 90s. And yes, Victory Leo acts VERY differently than Ginrai who was mostly defined by his reluctance to get involved with the conflict at all and coming to terms with his position as de facto leader. V.L. does precisely none of that. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson\|talk]]) 16:59, 9 October 2021 (EDT)

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	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)		I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

			In the caption for the Haslab Victory Saber picture on both this page and the main Ginrai (Robot) page, there is a hyperlink to Victory Leo Notes, but Victory Leo does not have a notes section, and none of the notes on either Ginrai page seem to connect to the caption. -- [[User:Catsukki\|Catsukki]] ([[User talk:Catsukki\|talk]]) 11:34, 14 March 2023 (PDT)

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	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)		I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::: Dude let it dropped, it just one of those things like Gavatron either is or isn't megatron (And don't get me started on Galvatron II).--[[User:Projectus\|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus\|talk]]) 03:06, 17 October 2021 (EDT)

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	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)		I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)
			::::::::::: Dude let it dropped, it just one of those things like Gavatron either is or isn't megatron (And don't get me started on Galvatron II).--[[User:Projectus\|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus\|talk]]) 03:06, 17 October 2021 (EDT)

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	:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping ~~them~~ separate to better ~~distuigish~~ them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)		I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping the separate origins apart to better distinguish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

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	:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		:::::::::That was human Ginrai's character arc that was resolved by the end of Masterforce. Robot Ginrai in Victory is primarily defined by being fond of Jan/Holi and wanting to useful to Star Saber. Which ultimately fulfilled by being turned into Star Saber's power-up. From the first episode of Victory on, he never shirks from leadership and wanting to fight the Decepticons. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 12:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
	::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)		::::::::::I... agree with Saix! I think a separate Victory Leo page that links to Ginrai for his cartoon section is the best solution, and we already do that. If you look for Victory Leo, you'll find him here! He's not hiding. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 14:33, 12 October 2021 (EDT)
			I forgot to post this the other day, but I personally don't care which page gets the info. I do think, however, that adding Victory Leo's page to the Ginrai suite would make sense. Keeping all of the relevant info together in the one place, with a simple tab to distinguish the two iterations just feels more user-friendly. I feel the same should also be done with Sixshot and Greatshot. Again, I don't care which page gets the info, but keeping them at a close enough reach, while also keeping them separate to better distuigish them, just makes the most sense to me. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 23:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)