Talk:Violengiguar - Revision history

Star Spangled Sam at 14:18, 14 May 2021

2021-05-14T14:18:57Z

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	I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	: Yeah, and it's not like we'd change it to Violengiguar in stuff like the AVP writeups where that ''was'' used as his English name. Same as how we kept Rartorata for IDWBW. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 06:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		: Yeah, and it's not like we'd change it to Violengiguar in stuff like the AVP writeups where that ''was'' used as his English name. Same as how we kept Rartorata for IDWBW. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 06:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			::I'm basically in favour of the move as well. Like Jala said, compared to something like the Dai Atlas/Daiatlas situation, the original romanisation is nowhere near prominent enough to cause any real trouble in terms of identity. Furthermore, due to the hard-to-find nature of a lot of interviews with JP creatives, I think we should prioritise as many insights into that creative process as possible. Side note, but I really think we should get rid of some of the joke romanisations given in the name section. Stuff like "Valium Chugger" goes over the line from "romanisations can be ambiguous" to "haha japanese funny", which I think we've been trying to avoid as of late. [[User:Star Spangled Sam\|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam\|talk]]) 10:18, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Saix: Saix moved page Talk:Violen Jiger to Talk:Violengiguar: Looks like most people are for it

2021-05-14T12:41:19Z

Saix moved page Talk:Violen Jiger to Talk:Violengiguar: Looks like most people are for it

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Broadside: /* Name change */

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	:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			: Yeah, and it's not like we'd change it to Violengiguar in stuff like the AVP writeups where that ''was'' used as his English name. Same as how we kept Rartorata for IDWBW. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 06:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Jalaguy at 08:08, 14 May 2021

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	::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Jalaguy at 08:01, 14 May 2021

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	::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Saix: /* Name change */

2021-05-14T05:34:24Z

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	:I'm totally for the move too. I feel like that may have gotten lost in my earlier statement lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:27, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:I'm totally for the move too. I feel like that may have gotten lost in my earlier statement lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:27, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Sabrblade: /* Name change */

2021-05-14T05:20:20Z

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	As someone who never agreed with this Romanization in the first place, I support a move matching the original intent of the name. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 00:22, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		As someone who never agreed with this Romanization in the first place, I support a move matching the original intent of the name. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 00:22, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	:I'm totally for the move too. I feel like that may have gotten lost in my earlier statement lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:27, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:I'm totally for the move too. I feel like that may have gotten lost in my earlier statement lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:27, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Fanofcoolstuff27: /* Name change */

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	:I think that TFWiki has a responsibility to be a fair and accurate steward of information, especially when that information is obscure or culturally alien to our presumed english-speaking audience. I support a move to a carefully-considered romanization that matches creative intent, paired with an extensive and informative notes section on etymology, similar to Latolata. [[User:Brightcoat\|Brightcoat]] ([[User talk:Brightcoat\|talk]]) 22:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)		:I think that TFWiki has a responsibility to be a fair and accurate steward of information, especially when that information is obscure or culturally alien to our presumed english-speaking audience. I support a move to a carefully-considered romanization that matches creative intent, paired with an extensive and informative notes section on etymology, similar to Latolata. [[User:Brightcoat\|Brightcoat]] ([[User talk:Brightcoat\|talk]]) 22:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
	As someone who never agreed with this Romanization in the first place, I support a move matching the original intent of the name. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 00:22, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		As someone who never agreed with this Romanization in the first place, I support a move matching the original intent of the name. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 00:22, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			:I'm totally for the move too. I feel like that may have gotten lost in my earlier statement lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:27, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Monzo: /* Name change */

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	::I think authorial intent and etymology are more important than the longevity of a name that isn't accurate. [[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 22:02, 13 May 2021 (EDT)		::I think authorial intent and etymology are more important than the longevity of a name that isn't accurate. [[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 22:02, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
	:I think that TFWiki has a responsibility to be a fair and accurate steward of information, especially when that information is obscure or culturally alien to our presumed english-speaking audience. I support a move to a carefully-considered romanization that matches creative intent, paired with an extensive and informative notes section on etymology, similar to Latolata. [[User:Brightcoat\|Brightcoat]] ([[User talk:Brightcoat\|talk]]) 22:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)		:I think that TFWiki has a responsibility to be a fair and accurate steward of information, especially when that information is obscure or culturally alien to our presumed english-speaking audience. I support a move to a carefully-considered romanization that matches creative intent, paired with an extensive and informative notes section on etymology, similar to Latolata. [[User:Brightcoat\|Brightcoat]] ([[User talk:Brightcoat\|talk]]) 22:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
	:As someone who never agreed with this Romanization in the first place, I support a move matching the original intent of the name. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 00:22, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		As someone who never agreed with this Romanization in the first place, I support a move matching the original intent of the name. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 00:22, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Monzo at 04:22, 14 May 2021

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	::I think authorial intent and etymology are more important than the longevity of a name that isn't accurate. [[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 22:02, 13 May 2021 (EDT)		::I think authorial intent and etymology are more important than the longevity of a name that isn't accurate. [[User:MrRald\|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald\|talk]]) 22:02, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
	:I think that TFWiki has a responsibility to be a fair and accurate steward of information, especially when that information is obscure or culturally alien to our presumed english-speaking audience. I support a move to a carefully-considered romanization that matches creative intent, paired with an extensive and informative notes section on etymology, similar to Latolata. [[User:Brightcoat\|Brightcoat]] ([[User talk:Brightcoat\|talk]]) 22:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)		:I think that TFWiki has a responsibility to be a fair and accurate steward of information, especially when that information is obscure or culturally alien to our presumed english-speaking audience. I support a move to a carefully-considered romanization that matches creative intent, paired with an extensive and informative notes section on etymology, similar to Latolata. [[User:Brightcoat\|Brightcoat]] ([[User talk:Brightcoat\|talk]]) 22:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
			:As someone who never agreed with this Romanization in the first place, I support a move matching the original intent of the name. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 00:22, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

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	I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	: Yeah, and it's not like we'd change it to Violengiguar in stuff like the AVP writeups where that ''was'' used as his English name. Same as how we kept Rartorata for IDWBW. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 06:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		: Yeah, and it's not like we'd change it to Violengiguar in stuff like the AVP writeups where that ''was'' used as his English name. Same as how we kept Rartorata for IDWBW. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 06:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			::I'm basically in favour of the move as well. Like Jala said, compared to something like the Dai Atlas/Daiatlas situation, the original romanisation is nowhere near prominent enough to cause any real trouble in terms of identity. Furthermore, due to the hard-to-find nature of a lot of interviews with JP creatives, I think we should prioritise as many insights into that creative process as possible. Side note, but I really think we should get rid of some of the joke romanisations given in the name section. Stuff like "Valium Chugger" goes over the line from "romanisations can be ambiguous" to "haha japanese funny", which I think we've been trying to avoid as of late. [[User:Star Spangled Sam\|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam\|talk]]) 10:18, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

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	:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			: Yeah, and it's not like we'd change it to Violengiguar in stuff like the AVP writeups where that ''was'' used as his English name. Same as how we kept Rartorata for IDWBW. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 06:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

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	::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. I'm generally a big proponent of not being giant dorks about Japanese media, but I think this is a pedantic but ''positive'' change. The alternative is putting the existing romanisation on a pedestal just because "that's how it's always been done". [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

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	::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			I'd support a move too. "Violen Jiger" may have been a deliberate choice, but it was one made with less information available than we have now. Keeping it around just out of... inertia doesn't seem right. I disagree with the "oh but Violen Jiger is his published Western name" idea because (a) it's ''barely'' published, this guy has not exactly had much exposure in Western media and (b) this isn't a Stepper vs. Ricochet situation where a conscious decision was made to give the character a new name for Hasbro markets. Rather, those scant pieces of Western media intended to ''keep'' his Japanese name, and Violen Jiger simply happened to be the accepted way of romanising that Japanese name at the time. [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 04:01, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

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	:I'm totally for the move too. I feel like that may have gotten lost in my earlier statement lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:27, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		:I'm totally for the move too. I feel like that may have gotten lost in my earlier statement lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27\|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27\|talk]]) 00:27, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
	::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)		::How might we adapt the names of his three components? "Vion" is fine but "Lenja" and "Igern" don't really reflect the words of the name's meaning. "Lenga" gives the wrong impression to English speakers not in the know, and "Iguarn" also looks odd. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 01:20, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
			:::I was going to go with "Lenger" and "Iguarn". [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)