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Poliwag06: /* Pablo fix? */ new section

2024-03-26T04:41:37Z

Pablo fix?: new section

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	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

			== Pablo fix? ==

			https://twitter.com/TFHypeGuy/status/1772471655358497251?t=cGKn-4Uo0MjTyqmMjM3byw&s=19
			Apparently this tweet thread talks about the SS figure having some clearance issue. Is it worth bringing up?[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 00:41, 26 March 2024 (EDT)

Liliesrobots: /* BB & ROTB Wheeljack */

2024-02-26T18:10:15Z

BB & ROTB Wheeljack

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	::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024		::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024
	:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it were just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)		:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it were just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)
			::::::Even so, a reimagining usually doesn't justify a new page. There's never been a split between Bay and BB/ROTB pages even when they are pretty substantially different. Reimagining doesn't create new pages within other continuities either. If it were up to me I'd either put them on the same page or make it a sub page. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 13:10, 26 February 2024 (EST)

	== Pablo semi canonized? ==		== Pablo semi canonized? ==

	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

Saix: /* BB & ROTB Wheeljack */

2024-02-23T18:02:52Z

BB & ROTB Wheeljack

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	:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)		:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
	::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024		::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024
	:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it ~~was~~ just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)		:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it were just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)

	== Pablo semi canonized? ==		== Pablo semi canonized? ==

	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

Saix at 18:01, 23 February 2024

2024-02-23T18:01:23Z

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	:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)		:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
	::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024		::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024
			:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it was just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)

	== Pablo semi canonized? ==		== Pablo semi canonized? ==

	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

Liliesrobots: /* BB & ROTB Wheeljack */

2024-02-23T17:10:11Z

BB & ROTB Wheeljack

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	::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)		::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
	:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)		:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
			::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024

	== Pablo semi canonized? ==		== Pablo semi canonized? ==

	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

Poliwag06: /* Pablo semi canonized? */ new section

2023-11-15T09:42:41Z

Pablo semi canonized?: new section

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	::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)		::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
	:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)		:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)

			== Pablo semi canonized? ==

			The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

Saix at 05:34, 28 July 2023

2023-07-28T05:34:30Z

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	:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)		:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
	::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)		::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
			:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)

Jman98: /* BB & ROTB Wheeljack */

2023-07-20T20:05:03Z

BB & ROTB Wheeljack

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	Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)		Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
	:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)		:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
			::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)

Jman98: Nevermind, misread it.

2023-07-06T03:12:43Z

Nevermind, misread it.

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	Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)		Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
	:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)		:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
	::That quote literally only references ''Dark of the Moon'' and actually mentions that Wheeljack was set for the film from the jump by Hasbro. He said he reimagined the character, but he doesn't state it's not the same one from ''Bumblebee'' because ''Bumblebee'' isn't mentioned at all. ''Bumblebee'' Wheeljack isn't the same as DOTM either. I'd say the quote actually supports BB and ROTB Wheeljack being the same, only pointing out that he's not the same as the one from DOTM, which tracks. I think the continuity discussion is pretty relevant here since you're essentially placing ''Bumblebee'' into two continuities while being selective on how it affects each one, when it's not that complicated at all as ROTB is the only one that it doesn't contradict. By the logic you're presenting, there should be ''three'' Wheeljack pages for each appearance then. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 23:10, 5 July 2023 (EDT)

Jman98 at 03:11, 6 July 2023

2023-07-06T03:11:47Z

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	Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)		Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
	:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)		:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
	::That quote literally only references ''Dark of the Moon'' and actually mentions that Wheeljack was set for the film from the jump by Hasbro. He said he reimagined the character, but he doesn't state it's not the same one from ''Bumblebee'' because ''Bumblebee'' isn't mentioned at all. ''Bumblebee'' Wheeljack isn't the same as DOTM either. I'd say the quote actually supports BB and ROTB Wheeljack being the same, only pointing out that he's not the same as the one from DOTM, which tracks. I think the continuity discussion is pretty relevant here since you're essentially placing ''Bumblebee'' into two continuities while being selective on how it affects each one, when it's not that complicated at all as ROTB is the only one that it doesn't contradict. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 23:10, 5 July 2023 (EDT)		::That quote literally only references ''Dark of the Moon'' and actually mentions that Wheeljack was set for the film from the jump by Hasbro. He said he reimagined the character, but he doesn't state it's not the same one from ''Bumblebee'' because ''Bumblebee'' isn't mentioned at all. ''Bumblebee'' Wheeljack isn't the same as DOTM either. I'd say the quote actually supports BB and ROTB Wheeljack being the same, only pointing out that he's not the same as the one from DOTM, which tracks. I think the continuity discussion is pretty relevant here since you're essentially placing ''Bumblebee'' into two continuities while being selective on how it affects each one, when it's not that complicated at all as ROTB is the only one that it doesn't contradict. By the logic you're presenting, there should be ''three'' Wheeljack pages for each appearance then. [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 23:10, 5 July 2023 (EDT)

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	::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024		::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024
	:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it were just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)		:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it were just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)
			::::::Even so, a reimagining usually doesn't justify a new page. There's never been a split between Bay and BB/ROTB pages even when they are pretty substantially different. Reimagining doesn't create new pages within other continuities either. If it were up to me I'd either put them on the same page or make it a sub page. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 13:10, 26 February 2024 (EST)

	== Pablo semi canonized? ==		== Pablo semi canonized? ==

	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

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	:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)		:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
	::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024		::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024
	:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it ~~was~~ just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)		:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it were just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)

	== Pablo semi canonized? ==		== Pablo semi canonized? ==

	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

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	:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)		:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
	::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024		::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024
			:::::You're doing the "be absurdly literal about the exact question asked" thing. If Caple is blathering on about effectively creating a new character for ROTB, why would he do that if it was just an extension of BB Wheeljack? If he had BB Wheeljack in mind at any moment when creating ROTB Wheeljack, wouldn't you think he'd mention him in the first place? [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 13:01, 23 February 2024 (EST)

	== Pablo semi canonized? ==		== Pablo semi canonized? ==

	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

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	::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)		::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
	:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)		:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
			::::I feel like they still only meant Quejack, since they specifically asked about DOTM. They never said anything that could even apply to BB since he never got any characterization in that movie. [[User:Liliesrobots\|Liliesrobots]] ([[User talk:Liliesrobots\|talk]]) 11:09, 23 Feb 2024

	== Pablo semi canonized? ==		== Pablo semi canonized? ==

	The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)		The pulse stream folks used the Pablo name for the first time. I dunno if that means Pablo is canon now.[[User:Poliwag06\|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06\|talk]]) 04:42, 15 November 2023 (EST)

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	:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)		:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
	::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)		::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98\|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98\|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
			:::The quote is a paragraph about creating a new character for ROTB. Pay attention to the context and meaning even if it doesn't explicitly mention BB. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)