Talk:Whirl (ROTF) - Revision history

Khajidha: Talk:Whirl (DOTM) moved to Talk:Whirl (ROTF): DOTM Whirl was merged to ROTF, might as well move this to maintain discussion

2011-07-29T13:38:58Z

Talk:Whirl (DOTM) moved to Talk:Whirl (ROTF): DOTM Whirl was merged to ROTF, might as well move this to maintain discussion

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76.28.76.206 at 20:20, 26 June 2011

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	I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)		I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)
	:Well, since we DID previously use identical tech spec numbers to connect dump-truck [[Payload (Movie)\|Payload]] and the older toy, I for one would be fine with using the same justification for Whirl. --[[User:Apoc\|Apoc]] 15:40, 26 June 2011 (EDT)		:Well, since we DID previously use identical tech spec numbers to connect dump-truck [[Payload (Movie)\|Payload]] and the older toy, I for one would be fine with using the same justification for Whirl. --[[User:Apoc\|Apoc]] 15:40, 26 June 2011 (EDT)
			::Bing-Bing-Bing! We have a winner. Someone (working on a beter platform from me) merge 'em! --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 16:20, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

Apoc at 19:40, 26 June 2011

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	:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
	I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)		I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)
			:Well, since we DID previously use identical tech spec numbers to connect dump-truck [[Payload (Movie)\|Payload]] and the older toy, I for one would be fine with using the same justification for Whirl. --[[User:Apoc\|Apoc]] 15:40, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

MCRG: Same dude.

2011-06-26T19:26:23Z

Same dude.

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	Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
	:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
			I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

76.28.76.206 at 10:16, 16 June 2011

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	::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
			:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

99.64.126.254 at 09:45, 16 June 2011

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	::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

99.64.126.254 at 09:43, 16 June 2011

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	::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
			Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

Starscream0625 at 15:00, 9 June 2011

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	:Bump. Anyone? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 22:33, 7 June 2011 (EDT)		:Bump. Anyone? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 22:33, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
	::I would agree to it. I've added the merge notice to [[Whirl (ROTF)]] hoping to attract more attention. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 08:14, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::I would agree to it. I've added the merge notice to [[Whirl (ROTF)]] hoping to attract more attention. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 08:14, 8 June 2011 (EDT
			I agree. We meged DOTM< Backfire with the HFTD one right?[[User:Starscream0625\|Starscream0625]] 11:00, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

	:::I wouldn't think so. One's a Metallikato master and the other is a strategist. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 13:38, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		:::I wouldn't think so. One's a Metallikato master and the other is a strategist. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 13:38, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	::::But those are not mutually exclusive things, in fact they would draw on similar mental skills. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 13:41, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::::But those are not mutually exclusive things, in fact they would draw on similar mental skills. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 13:41, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

Andrusi at 19:54, 8 June 2011

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	:So then when do we put up the merge proposal for the [[Smokescreen (Armada)\|Aurex]] [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)\|Smokescreens]]? And then we can tackle the [[Sky High (Micromaster)\|Sky]] [[Sky High (Pretender)\|Highs]], and throw in a note that in Dreamwave they're different guys, like IDW's Megatron/Galvatron and Bumblebee/Goldbug. At least the PCC guys we merged had ''some'' sort of hint towards being the same. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		:So then when do we put up the merge proposal for the [[Smokescreen (Armada)\|Aurex]] [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)\|Smokescreens]]? And then we can tackle the [[Sky High (Micromaster)\|Sky]] [[Sky High (Pretender)\|Highs]], and throw in a note that in Dreamwave they're different guys, like IDW's Megatron/Galvatron and Bumblebee/Goldbug. At least the PCC guys we merged had ''some'' sort of hint towards being the same. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	:::We're talking characters with out fiction appearances and without conflicting bios, with the same name and same alt mode in the same universe. Occum's Razor and simplicity says they belong together till we have ANY reason to think they're separate people.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 15:45, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		:::We're talking characters with out fiction appearances and without conflicting bios, with the same name and same alt mode in the same universe. Occum's Razor and simplicity says they belong together till we have ANY reason to think they're separate people.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 15:45, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
			::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

Khajidha at 19:46, 8 June 2011

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	:So then when do we put up the merge proposal for the [[Smokescreen (Armada)\|Aurex]] [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)\|Smokescreens]]? And then we can tackle the [[Sky High (Micromaster)\|Sky]] [[Sky High (Pretender)\|Highs]], and throw in a note that in Dreamwave they're different guys, like IDW's Megatron/Galvatron and Bumblebee/Goldbug. At least the PCC guys we merged had ''some'' sort of hint towards being the same. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		:So then when do we put up the merge proposal for the [[Smokescreen (Armada)\|Aurex]] [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)\|Smokescreens]]? And then we can tackle the [[Sky High (Micromaster)\|Sky]] [[Sky High (Pretender)\|Highs]], and throw in a note that in Dreamwave they're different guys, like IDW's Megatron/Galvatron and Bumblebee/Goldbug. At least the PCC guys we merged had ''some'' sort of hint towards being the same. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:32, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	:::We're talking characters with out fiction appearances and without conflicting bios, with the same name and same alt mode in the same universe. Occum's Razor and simplicity says they belong together till we have ANY reason to think they're separate people.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 15:45, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		:::We're talking characters with out fiction appearances and without conflicting bios, with the same name and same alt mode in the same universe. Occum's Razor and simplicity says they belong together till we have ANY reason to think they're separate people.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 15:45, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
			::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

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	I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)		I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)
	:Well, since we DID previously use identical tech spec numbers to connect dump-truck [[Payload (Movie)\|Payload]] and the older toy, I for one would be fine with using the same justification for Whirl. --[[User:Apoc\|Apoc]] 15:40, 26 June 2011 (EDT)		:Well, since we DID previously use identical tech spec numbers to connect dump-truck [[Payload (Movie)\|Payload]] and the older toy, I for one would be fine with using the same justification for Whirl. --[[User:Apoc\|Apoc]] 15:40, 26 June 2011 (EDT)
			::Bing-Bing-Bing! We have a winner. Someone (working on a beter platform from me) merge 'em! --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 16:20, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

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	:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
	I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)		I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)
			:Well, since we DID previously use identical tech spec numbers to connect dump-truck [[Payload (Movie)\|Payload]] and the older toy, I for one would be fine with using the same justification for Whirl. --[[User:Apoc\|Apoc]] 15:40, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

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	Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
	:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
			I'm pretty sure he's intended to be the same guy. His tech spec numbers are identical to Movie Whirl from the TRU 2-pack- Strength: 8, Intelligence: 6, Speed: 6, Endurance: 8, Rank: 8, Courage: 7, Fireblast: 5, Skill: 10. Identical on both.--[[User:MCRG\|MCRG]] 15:26, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

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	::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
			:Yeah, That's all tiny superficial stuff that means nothing. See [[Backfire (TF 2010)]]. It doesn't trump our usual rule "Same name, same faction, same continuity, no contradictions = same character". It's just Occum's Razor unless the's any significant reason to believe them different guys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 06:16, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

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	::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::::There's nothing in Cybertron Smokescreen's bio that contradicts him being Armada Smokescreen. He'd have to stop being Hoist, but if Megatron can do it... --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 15:54, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)		::Actually, I have long thought that the two Smokescreens should be merged. The fact that the two Sky Highs are shown separate in IDW would keep them separate pages. Unless other fiction showed that they were the same in some universes. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:46, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
	Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)		Honestly I think it's clear they are different characters....HUGE difference in size...no mention of any martial arts skills in the toy bio of the smaller one....One is a very large battle copter and the other is an extremely tiny one person helicopter that triple changes into a gun weapon. Not to mention they are completely different colors, and simply couldn't look more different from one another. I think it would be a huge mistake merging these two as they are clearly not the same character. [[Special:Contributions/99.64.126.254\|99.64.126.254]] 05:43, 16 June 2011 (EDT)