Talk:Wingthing (G1) - Revision history

LV: /* Re: Wingthing's gender */

2013-08-30T05:01:30Z

Re: Wingthing's gender

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	Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)		Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)
	:For what it's worth, Furman is using the character in Regeneration One, a continuity without female Transformers, so it's a very safe bet that, at the very least, RG1 Wingthing is male. (And probably not a drone here either.)--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 00:20, 30 August 2013 (EDT)		:For what it's worth, Furman is using the character in Regeneration One, a continuity without female Transformers, so it's a very safe bet that, at the very least, RG1 Wingthing is male. (And probably not a drone here either.)--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 00:20, 30 August 2013 (EDT)
			::How would we be able to tell if he were a drone? He has a sophisticated simulated personality! -[[User:LV\|LV]] 01:01, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

	== New mainpic? ==		== New mainpic? ==

Jimsorenson: /* Re: Wingthing's gender */

2013-08-30T04:24:47Z

Re: Wingthing's gender

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	Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)		Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)
	:For what it's worth, Furman is using the character in Regeneration One, a continuity without female Transformers, so it's a very safe bet that, at the very least, RG1 Wingthing is male. (And probably not a drone here ~~too~~.)--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 00:20, 30 August 2013 (EDT)		:For what it's worth, Furman is using the character in Regeneration One, a continuity without female Transformers, so it's a very safe bet that, at the very least, RG1 Wingthing is male. (And probably not a drone here either.)--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 00:20, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

	== New mainpic? ==		== New mainpic? ==

Jimsorenson: /* Re: Wingthing's gender */

2013-08-30T04:20:51Z

Re: Wingthing's gender

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	Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)		Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)
			:For what it's worth, Furman is using the character in Regeneration One, a continuity without female Transformers, so it's a very safe bet that, at the very least, RG1 Wingthing is male. (And probably not a drone here too.)--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 00:20, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

	== New mainpic? ==		== New mainpic? ==

SanityOrMadness: /* New mainpic? */

2013-07-20T19:35:11Z

New mainpic?

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	Would either of the panels from Regeneration One # 93 of Wingthing work as a better mainpic? --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 11:24, 20 July 2013 (EDT)		Would either of the panels from Regeneration One # 93 of Wingthing work as a better mainpic? --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 11:24, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
			:Yes. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:35, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

Nu-Priest: /* New mainpic? */ new section

2013-07-20T15:24:27Z

New mainpic?: new section

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	Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)		Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)

			== New mainpic? ==

			Would either of the panels from Regeneration One # 93 of Wingthing work as a better mainpic? --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 11:24, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

HydraDW: /* Re: Wingthing's gender */ new section

2012-03-09T01:07:14Z

Re: Wingthing's gender: new section

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	::::::::::::I guess my point is that our mission statement is to accumulate all official information on TFs and only official information on TFs. If there is no explicit mention of gender for a particular character, using a gendered pronoun is actually using unofficial information. Now, if Thy's statement has any official standing that would invalidate my point, but otherwise it seems we should not used gendered pronouns for characters that have not been stated as such in official sources or should use them but place a note on the page that such pronouns are only used for convenience and are subject to being changed in the event of explicit evidence. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 18:36, 29 December 2011 (EST)		::::::::::::I guess my point is that our mission statement is to accumulate all official information on TFs and only official information on TFs. If there is no explicit mention of gender for a particular character, using a gendered pronoun is actually using unofficial information. Now, if Thy's statement has any official standing that would invalidate my point, but otherwise it seems we should not used gendered pronouns for characters that have not been stated as such in official sources or should use them but place a note on the page that such pronouns are only used for convenience and are subject to being changed in the event of explicit evidence. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 18:36, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	:::::::::::::My stance is, I really doubt Bob Budiansky thought Wingthing was a chick when he wrote AM Soundwave's bio. Until someone comes along and uses the pronounless bio as an opportunity to create a female, Wingthing is male by default, just judging by the era Wingthing was created in. We're kidding ourselves if we believe that these G1 guys are possibly girls just because no pronouns are used. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:28, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::::::My stance is, I really doubt Bob Budiansky thought Wingthing was a chick when he wrote AM Soundwave's bio. Until someone comes along and uses the pronounless bio as an opportunity to create a female, Wingthing is male by default, just judging by the era Wingthing was created in. We're kidding ourselves if we believe that these G1 guys are possibly girls just because no pronouns are used. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:28, 29 December 2011 (EST)

			== Re: Wingthing's gender ==

			Not only is Wingthing not female, the bio card for the Japanese reissue makes it very clear that Wingthing is a non-sentient drone imbued with a personality simulation program. We may or may not assume by extension that all Action Master partners are drones, depending on where you want to go with that. [[User:HydraDW\|HydraDW]] 20:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)

ItsWalky at 00:28, 30 December 2011

2011-12-30T00:28:04Z

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	:::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	::::::::::::I guess my point is that our mission statement is to accumulate all official information on TFs and only official information on TFs. If there is no explicit mention of gender for a particular character, using a gendered pronoun is actually using unofficial information. Now, if Thy's statement has any official standing that would invalidate my point, but otherwise it seems we should not used gendered pronouns for characters that have not been stated as such in official sources or should use them but place a note on the page that such pronouns are only used for convenience and are subject to being changed in the event of explicit evidence. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 18:36, 29 December 2011 (EST)		::::::::::::I guess my point is that our mission statement is to accumulate all official information on TFs and only official information on TFs. If there is no explicit mention of gender for a particular character, using a gendered pronoun is actually using unofficial information. Now, if Thy's statement has any official standing that would invalidate my point, but otherwise it seems we should not used gendered pronouns for characters that have not been stated as such in official sources or should use them but place a note on the page that such pronouns are only used for convenience and are subject to being changed in the event of explicit evidence. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 18:36, 29 December 2011 (EST)
			:::::::::::::My stance is, I really doubt Bob Budiansky thought Wingthing was a chick when he wrote AM Soundwave's bio. Until someone comes along and uses the pronounless bio as an opportunity to create a female, Wingthing is male by default, just judging by the era Wingthing was created in. We're kidding ourselves if we believe that these G1 guys are possibly girls just because no pronouns are used. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:28, 29 December 2011 (EST)

Khajidha at 23:36, 29 December 2011

2011-12-29T23:36:30Z

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	:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)		::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	::::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)
			::::::::::::I guess my point is that our mission statement is to accumulate all official information on TFs and only official information on TFs. If there is no explicit mention of gender for a particular character, using a gendered pronoun is actually using unofficial information. Now, if Thy's statement has any official standing that would invalidate my point, but otherwise it seems we should not used gendered pronouns for characters that have not been stated as such in official sources or should use them but place a note on the page that such pronouns are only used for convenience and are subject to being changed in the event of explicit evidence. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 18:36, 29 December 2011 (EST)

Thylacine 2000 at 23:08, 29 December 2011

2011-12-29T23:08:04Z

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	:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)		::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)
			::::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)

Interrobang at 20:56, 29 December 2011

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	:::::::::Wingthing especially wouldn't be female in a Marvel continuity story. (Man, ''Recordicons'' strips set in Classics could potentially double the number of chicks.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::Wingthing especially wouldn't be female in a Marvel continuity story. (Man, ''Recordicons'' strips set in Classics could potentially double the number of chicks.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)
			::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)

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	:::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	::::::::::::I guess my point is that our mission statement is to accumulate all official information on TFs and only official information on TFs. If there is no explicit mention of gender for a particular character, using a gendered pronoun is actually using unofficial information. Now, if Thy's statement has any official standing that would invalidate my point, but otherwise it seems we should not used gendered pronouns for characters that have not been stated as such in official sources or should use them but place a note on the page that such pronouns are only used for convenience and are subject to being changed in the event of explicit evidence. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 18:36, 29 December 2011 (EST)		::::::::::::I guess my point is that our mission statement is to accumulate all official information on TFs and only official information on TFs. If there is no explicit mention of gender for a particular character, using a gendered pronoun is actually using unofficial information. Now, if Thy's statement has any official standing that would invalidate my point, but otherwise it seems we should not used gendered pronouns for characters that have not been stated as such in official sources or should use them but place a note on the page that such pronouns are only used for convenience and are subject to being changed in the event of explicit evidence. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 18:36, 29 December 2011 (EST)
			:::::::::::::My stance is, I really doubt Bob Budiansky thought Wingthing was a chick when he wrote AM Soundwave's bio. Until someone comes along and uses the pronounless bio as an opportunity to create a female, Wingthing is male by default, just judging by the era Wingthing was created in. We're kidding ourselves if we believe that these G1 guys are possibly girls just because no pronouns are used. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:28, 29 December 2011 (EST)

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	:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)		::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	::::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)
			::::::::::::I guess my point is that our mission statement is to accumulate all official information on TFs and only official information on TFs. If there is no explicit mention of gender for a particular character, using a gendered pronoun is actually using unofficial information. Now, if Thy's statement has any official standing that would invalidate my point, but otherwise it seems we should not used gendered pronouns for characters that have not been stated as such in official sources or should use them but place a note on the page that such pronouns are only used for convenience and are subject to being changed in the event of explicit evidence. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 18:36, 29 December 2011 (EST)

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	:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)		::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)
			::::::::::::Transformers are male until proven otherwise. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 18:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)

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	:::::::::Wingthing especially wouldn't be female in a Marvel continuity story. (Man, ''Recordicons'' strips set in Classics could potentially double the number of chicks.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::Wingthing especially wouldn't be female in a Marvel continuity story. (Man, ''Recordicons'' strips set in Classics could potentially double the number of chicks.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:08, 29 December 2011 (EST)
	:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)		:::::::::Try going back in time to 1991 and asking an eleven year old owner of Soundwave if making Wingthing a girl would be a retcon. Hasbro just didn't make female Transformer toys back in the G1 era. Much less secretly female Transformers. It didn't happen. But we don't know much of anything about Action Master partners. A lot of their bios make them sound beast-like. If they are some sort of Cybertronian wildlife they could be male and female. Even in Marvel. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 15:32, 29 December 2011 (EST)
			::::::::::A 11 year old in 1991 is not going to know what "retcon" is, much less be concerned over the gender of their robot bat toy. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 29 December 2011 (EST)