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Rosicrucian: /* So, this is sitting here as a mess... */

2009-05-19T20:59:15Z

So, this is sitting here as a mess...

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	:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::See, I was under the impression that there was (speaking relatively) a lot of server strain involved in meta-templates, that two levels was okay if not necessarily advisable, but three was pushing it. And we're on a server with the stability of jelly on a pogo stick as it is. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 16:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		::::See, I was under the impression that there was (speaking relatively) a lot of server strain involved in meta-templates, that two levels was okay if not necessarily advisable, but three was pushing it. And we're on a server with the stability of jelly on a pogo stick as it is. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 16:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

			Which may explain why he hasn't done it yet, as we're about to move to something more stable. Shrug --[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:59, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

SanityOrMadness: /* So, this is sitting here as a mess... */

2009-05-19T20:57:31Z

So, this is sitting here as a mess...

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	::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
			::::See, I was under the impression that there was (speaking relatively) a lot of server strain involved in meta-templates, that two levels was okay if not necessarily advisable, but three was pushing it. And we're on a server with the stability of jelly on a pogo stick as it is. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 16:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Rosicrucian: /* So, this is sitting here as a mess... */

2009-05-19T19:05:21Z

So, this is sitting here as a mess...

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	:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
	::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
			:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

SanityOrMadness: /* So, this is sitting here as a mess... */

2009-05-19T19:00:11Z

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	Anything going to happen? We seem to have stopped even talking about it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		Anything going to happen? We seem to have stopped even talking about it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
	:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
			::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Rosicrucian: /* So, this is sitting here as a mess... */

2009-05-19T18:57:28Z

So, this is sitting here as a mess...

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	Anything going to happen? We seem to have stopped even talking about it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		Anything going to happen? We seem to have stopped even talking about it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
			:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

SanityOrMadness: /* So, this is sitting here as a mess... */

2009-05-19T18:21:48Z

So, this is sitting here as a mess...

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	== So, this is sitting here as a mess... ==		== So, this is sitting here as a mess... ==

	Anything ~~planned~~ to happen? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		Anything going to happen? We seem to have stopped even talking about it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

SanityOrMadness: /* So, this is sitting here as a mess... */ new section

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So, this is sitting here as a mess...: new section

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	:::::::That being said... if you can suggest something that's completely original, yet still visually invokes Transformers... I'd just find it handy if the meta boxes matched up with the overall look of the site, and I personally don't see anything wrong with the Allspark pattern either visually or legally.		:::::::That being said... if you can suggest something that's completely original, yet still visually invokes Transformers... I'd just find it handy if the meta boxes matched up with the overall look of the site, and I personally don't see anything wrong with the Allspark pattern either visually or legally.
	:::::::Well, any more illegal than all fanart or fanfic, both of which Hasbro has no issue with. Meanwhile, since screencaps and scans are explicitly taking actual official images and using them as-is on our wiki, those fall more strongly under needing to mark them as "fair use". Because then you get away from the realm of "derivative works" and into outright plagarism/stealing. (Is also why we don't just copy and paste tech spec bios into our intros - that would be plagarism.) --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 19:59, 13 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::::Well, any more illegal than all fanart or fanfic, both of which Hasbro has no issue with. Meanwhile, since screencaps and scans are explicitly taking actual official images and using them as-is on our wiki, those fall more strongly under needing to mark them as "fair use". Because then you get away from the realm of "derivative works" and into outright plagarism/stealing. (Is also why we don't just copy and paste tech spec bios into our intros - that would be plagarism.) --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 19:59, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

			== So, this is sitting here as a mess... ==

			Anything planned to happen? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Jeysie at 23:59, 13 May 2009

2009-05-13T23:59:38Z

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	::::::But - and here's the rub - ''is there no way to do that which doesn't involve a Hasbro IP''? As far as I can see, there is absolutely no way we could justify the AllSpark strips as "fair use" (i.e., that we could successfully claim that there was no free-as-in-speech alternative, when ''of course'' there are. Leaving them "absolutely plain" isn't even the only way of achieving that, although it would be the simplest.)		::::::But - and here's the rub - ''is there no way to do that which doesn't involve a Hasbro IP''? As far as I can see, there is absolutely no way we could justify the AllSpark strips as "fair use" (i.e., that we could successfully claim that there was no free-as-in-speech alternative, when ''of course'' there are. Leaving them "absolutely plain" isn't even the only way of achieving that, although it would be the simplest.)
	::::::I've been a bit uncomfortable with the amount of Hasbro stuff used for decoration rather than content for a while, and most other TF sites that I can see don't push it so far. And to use it on the frelling '''fair use''' tags feels like sticking two fingers (or the middle finger, if you prefer) up at Hasbro. Making it thinner doesn't make that better, and using it on '''everything''' makes it worse. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 19:00, 13 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::I've been a bit uncomfortable with the amount of Hasbro stuff used for decoration rather than content for a while, and most other TF sites that I can see don't push it so far. And to use it on the frelling '''fair use''' tags feels like sticking two fingers (or the middle finger, if you prefer) up at Hasbro. Making it thinner doesn't make that better, and using it on '''everything''' makes it worse. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 19:00, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
			:::::::Off the top of my head, Seibertron uses the glyphs from ROTF in its new design, as well as a silhouette lineup of Autobots based on some official bit of art (that I can't remember what specifically offhand).
			:::::::Plus... it's a ''pattern''. I could understand if we were using some official image, or the whole Allspark image, or something, but it's not. Might as well complain about all fanart and fanfic, since those things are based off official designs and media, too. Using a pattern based off the Allspark is pretty much fanart. (Using the screencaps themselves would merit complaining about, but we're not.)
			:::::::That being said... if you can suggest something that's completely original, yet still visually invokes Transformers... I'd just find it handy if the meta boxes matched up with the overall look of the site, and I personally don't see anything wrong with the Allspark pattern either visually or legally.
			:::::::Well, any more illegal than all fanart or fanfic, both of which Hasbro has no issue with. Meanwhile, since screencaps and scans are explicitly taking actual official images and using them as-is on our wiki, those fall more strongly under needing to mark them as "fair use". Because then you get away from the realm of "derivative works" and into outright plagarism/stealing. (Is also why we don't just copy and paste tech spec bios into our intros - that would be plagarism.) --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 19:59, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

SanityOrMadness: /* Color-coding */

2009-05-13T23:05:07Z

Color-coding

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	:::::Maybe we could make the strip/border thinner, but I liked the idea overall. I don't see why meta stuff has to look absolutely plain if the decoration doesn't get in the way of reading the information.		:::::Maybe we could make the strip/border thinner, but I liked the idea overall. I don't see why meta stuff has to look absolutely plain if the decoration doesn't get in the way of reading the information.
	:::::It also makes the meta boxes more noticable, and thus more likely for people to read them, which was the whole point of this exercise in the first place - that a plain box wasn't visually distinctive enough to say, "Hey, folks, this is a copyright!" --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 13:38, 13 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::It also makes the meta boxes more noticable, and thus more likely for people to read them, which was the whole point of this exercise in the first place - that a plain box wasn't visually distinctive enough to say, "Hey, folks, this is a copyright!" --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 13:38, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::But - and here's the rub - ''is there no way to do that which doesn't involve a Hasbro IP''? As far as I can see, there is absolutely no way we could justify the AllSpark strips as "fair use" (i.e., that we could successfully claim that there was no free-as-in-speech alternative, when ''of course'' there are. Leaving them "absolutely plain" isn't even the only way of achieving that, although it would be by the simplest.)		::::::But - and here's the rub - ''is there no way to do that which doesn't involve a Hasbro IP''? As far as I can see, there is absolutely no way we could justify the AllSpark strips as "fair use" (i.e., that we could successfully claim that there was no free-as-in-speech alternative, when ''of course'' there are. Leaving them "absolutely plain" isn't even the only way of achieving that, although it would be the simplest.)
	::::::I've been a bit uncomfortable with the amount of Hasbro stuff used for decoration rather than content for a while, and most other TF sites that I can see don't push it so far. And to use it on the frelling '''fair use''' tags feels like sticking two fingers (or the middle finger, if you prefer) up at Hasbro. Making it thinner doesn't make that better, and using it on '''everything''' makes it worse. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 19:00, 13 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::I've been a bit uncomfortable with the amount of Hasbro stuff used for decoration rather than content for a while, and most other TF sites that I can see don't push it so far. And to use it on the frelling '''fair use''' tags feels like sticking two fingers (or the middle finger, if you prefer) up at Hasbro. Making it thinner doesn't make that better, and using it on '''everything''' makes it worse. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 19:00, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

SanityOrMadness: /* Color-coding */

2009-05-13T23:00:52Z

Color-coding

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	:::::Maybe we could make the strip/border thinner, but I liked the idea overall. I don't see why meta stuff has to look absolutely plain if the decoration doesn't get in the way of reading the information.		:::::Maybe we could make the strip/border thinner, but I liked the idea overall. I don't see why meta stuff has to look absolutely plain if the decoration doesn't get in the way of reading the information.
	:::::It also makes the meta boxes more noticable, and thus more likely for people to read them, which was the whole point of this exercise in the first place - that a plain box wasn't visually distinctive enough to say, "Hey, folks, this is a copyright!" --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 13:38, 13 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::It also makes the meta boxes more noticable, and thus more likely for people to read them, which was the whole point of this exercise in the first place - that a plain box wasn't visually distinctive enough to say, "Hey, folks, this is a copyright!" --[[User:Jeysie\|Jeysie]] 13:38, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
			::::::But - and here's the rub - ''is there no way to do that which doesn't involve a Hasbro IP''? As far as I can see, there is absolutely no way we could justify the AllSpark strips as "fair use" (i.e., that we could successfully claim that there was no free-as-in-speech alternative, when ''of course'' there are. Leaving them "absolutely plain" isn't even the only way of achieving that, although it would be by the simplest.)
			::::::I've been a bit uncomfortable with the amount of Hasbro stuff used for decoration rather than content for a while, and most other TF sites that I can see don't push it so far. And to use it on the frelling '''fair use''' tags feels like sticking two fingers (or the middle finger, if you prefer) up at Hasbro. Making it thinner doesn't make that better, and using it on '''everything''' makes it worse. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 19:00, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

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	:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::See, I was under the impression that there was (speaking relatively) a lot of server strain involved in meta-templates, that two levels was okay if not necessarily advisable, but three was pushing it. And we're on a server with the stability of jelly on a pogo stick as it is. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 16:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		::::See, I was under the impression that there was (speaking relatively) a lot of server strain involved in meta-templates, that two levels was okay if not necessarily advisable, but three was pushing it. And we're on a server with the stability of jelly on a pogo stick as it is. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 16:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

			Which may explain why he hasn't done it yet, as we're about to move to something more stable. Shrug --[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:59, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

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	::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
			::::See, I was under the impression that there was (speaking relatively) a lot of server strain involved in meta-templates, that two levels was okay if not necessarily advisable, but three was pushing it. And we're on a server with the stability of jelly on a pogo stick as it is. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 16:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

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	:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
	::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
			:::That seemed to be what Derik was leaning towards. A standard copyright template that all others draw off of. That actually shouldn't really be a problem.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

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	Anything going to happen? We seem to have stopped even talking about it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		Anything going to happen? We seem to have stopped even talking about it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 14:19, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
	:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)		:Derik ought to have that base template done soon, in which case we can not only update all copyright templates simultaneously, but move debate over to that template's talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
			::Wait, sorry, are you saying there's going to be at least THREE levels of transclusion every time a template like {{tl\|TFAcap}} is called? - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 15:00, 19 May 2009 (EDT)