The Beast Within - Revision history

Nevermore: /* Transformers references */

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Transformers references

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	* Optimus Prime swears by [[Primus]].		* Optimus Prime swears by [[Primus]].
	* Starscream narrowly escapes the Beast, playing into the fact that Starscream would always "get out of it" in classic stories.<ref name=whatif />		* Starscream narrowly escapes the Beast, playing into the fact that Starscream would always "get out of it" in classic stories.<ref name=whatif />
	* The title of the comic uses the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)\|Beast Wars]]'' font. Specifically, it appears to be the publicly available "Beast Wars" True Type font that's extrapolated from the US "Beast Wars" title.		* The title of the comic uses the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)\|Beast Wars]]'' font. Specifically, it appears to be the publicly available "Beast Wars" True Type font that's extrapolated from the US ''Beast Wars'' title as well as the ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers\|Machine Wars]]'' title.

	===Real-life references===		===Real-life references===

Nevermore: /* Transformers references */

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Transformers references

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	* Optimus Prime swears by [[Primus]].		* Optimus Prime swears by [[Primus]].
	* Starscream narrowly escapes the Beast, playing into the fact that Starscream would always "get out of it" in classic stories.<ref name=whatif />		* Starscream narrowly escapes the Beast, playing into the fact that Starscream would always "get out of it" in classic stories.<ref name=whatif />
	* The title of the comic uses the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)\|Beast Wars]]'' font.		* The title of the comic uses the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)\|Beast Wars]]'' font. Specifically, it appears to be the publicly available "Beast Wars" True Type font that's extrapolated from the US "Beast Wars" title.

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Other trivia

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	===Other trivia===		===Other trivia===
	* ''The Beast Within'' came about as a result of Darren Jamieson's involvement with two DVD companies to hold the ''Transformers'' license in the UK around the time. Working as a webmaster for retailer {{w\|Game (retailer)\|GAME}}, he first became involved with [[Maverick Entertainment]] after cold-calling them to ask for details on their upcoming release of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. As it turned out, they had no plans for special features, and they invited Jamieson (who obviously had a much deeper knowledge of the franchise) to help on the project.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=But the really exciting thing, and this bit got me- you can imagine this got me shivering, when I saw on the reschedule for about 4 or 5 months later... ''Transformers: The Movie''. And there was no details, there was no price, there was no pack shot, it just said ''Transformers: The Movie'', Maverick Entertainment. And I was like, this is the big one. I'm gonna get this film before anybody else, 'cause I want this. It's not been on DVD before. So I got hold of Maverick Entertainment and I phoned up, it was a guy named Mike Diprose, he was in charge of Maverick Entertainment, and I said, "Look, I can see, I'm calling from GAME [...] and I see you've got ''Transformers: The Movie'' coming out on DVD. Can you tell me anything about it, what special features have you got?" And he was like, "I don't know really, we haven't really thought about it yet." "Oh... well, can you tell me what version of the film it's going to be? Is it going to be the one with the scrol, or is it gonna be the one where Spike says 'shit'?" "I don't really know." "Oh. Well... what about the cover art?" And then he said, "Look, you seem to know a lot about this..." "Uh, yeah, I do a little bit, yeah yeah..." He said, "Do you reckon you could help with it?"\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 14:00</ref> When the license passed to [[Metrodome]], Jamieson quickly introduced himself to them, and was able to continue compiling special features for their releases.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Darren has been an invaluable to Metrodome. He has advised us and been a constant source of information and help - there is nothing he doesn't know! Darren's name was first mentioned to me by Maverick when I spoke to them during the hand over but from memory I think he contacted me directly also! I cannot thank Darren enough for his advice and help that he has given Metrodome. Within Metrodome there are no official "transfans" although I must confess I have become admirer myself since working on it and have the honour of being Metrodome's and TVL's resident authority on all things autobot - although I do not deserve the accolade! [...] When we began work on TF we discovered we had very little decent artwork. Darren Jamieson put me in touch with Lee as we were looking to package the DVD programming in radically different way to anyone before us. At this time we took the decision to commission Lee to draw some new artwork which is exclusive to our DVD's. I think we made the right decision and I was delighted with the artwork Lee produced - it looks great and I hope the fans like it. Lee was really great to work with. I am also in contact with another TF legendary artist Andrew Wildman so watch this space...\|link=https://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/gallery/corporate/jane+from+metrodome+in+2003/198\|name=Jane Lawson\|site=Transformers At The Moon\|title=Interview with Jane Lawson at Metrodome\|year=~~2023~~\|month=12\|day=09}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial\|quote=But then... they lost the license. I think it was only valid for about two years, or so. And Metrodome picked up. And it's like... I've gotta start again. Well, I got on the phone to Metrodome immediately, didn't I? Spoke to a lovely lady called Jane Lawson at Metrodome, who I'm still in touch with now, she's lovely. [...] Jane was working on producing the DVDs, and she knew nothing about ''Transformers'', but she just wanted to know lots about everything, so she, she, really loved it all and got involved with it. But I realised then that it was starting again, so it was going to be ''The Movie'', and it was going to be Season 1 boxset, yet again. And it's, you kind of feel like it's going back to square one again, because obviously we just had that, really, it's like getting reissues of Optimus Prime all the time. We want Season 2, and we want Season 3. But I helped them then with the cover art and all the special features again for the coming-up season boxsets. So I introduced them to Lee Sullivan [...] so that he could do some artwork for the DVDs. I also got in touch with Andy Wildman, so he did the postcard set.\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 17:41</ref> At one point, Metrodome staffer [[Jane Lawson]] asked him if he had any ideas for a truly unique extra; around the same time, fanartist Dylan Gibson (a user of Jamieson's fansite [https://www.thetransformers.net/ TheTransformers.net]) had asked if Jamieson could help him create a ''Transformers'' comic.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=But what happened then, you see, Jane wanted something special. She wanted something that hadn't been done before, that is- "Can you have any ideas for a special feature that nobody's used?" I said, "Well, I'll have a think about it." And at the same time, a guy named Dylan Gibson, who was one of the ''Transformers'' art contributors to the fanart gallery, which again is a special feature on some of the DVDs, that all came from TheTransformers.net... Dylan Gibson got in touch with me and said, "I would really love to draw a comic—a ''Transformers'' comic—it's been my dream. Do you know anyone that could help with that?" And I thought, "Jane wants something special for the Metrodome DVDs. Dylan wants to draw a comic. Hello... I think I've got an idea here." So I said to Dylan, "Yeah, I think I could not only help you with your comic, I think I could get it published, and get it officially released. How does that sound?" Well, obviously, yeah, that's pretty cool. And I said to Jane, "I've got this artist, wants to draw a comic for you. And he doesn't want paying for it, he just wants to do it for the experience. How does that sound?" Brilliant. Y'know, it's a win-win for everybody. So that was the concept then, "I'll write the comic for you, Dylan, all you've got to do it draw it. Jane will get it published, and then everybody's a winner..."\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 20:25</ref> The rest is history.		* ''The Beast Within'' came about as a result of Darren Jamieson's involvement with two DVD companies to hold the ''Transformers'' license in the UK around the time. Working as a webmaster for retailer {{w\|Game (retailer)\|GAME}}, he first became involved with [[Maverick Entertainment]] after cold-calling them to ask for details on their upcoming release of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. As it turned out, they had no plans for special features, and they invited Jamieson (who obviously had a much deeper knowledge of the franchise) to help on the project.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=But the really exciting thing, and this bit got me- you can imagine this got me shivering, when I saw on the reschedule for about 4 or 5 months later... ''Transformers: The Movie''. And there was no details, there was no price, there was no pack shot, it just said ''Transformers: The Movie'', Maverick Entertainment. And I was like, this is the big one. I'm gonna get this film before anybody else, 'cause I want this. It's not been on DVD before. So I got hold of Maverick Entertainment and I phoned up, it was a guy named Mike Diprose, he was in charge of Maverick Entertainment, and I said, "Look, I can see, I'm calling from GAME [...] and I see you've got ''Transformers: The Movie'' coming out on DVD. Can you tell me anything about it, what special features have you got?" And he was like, "I don't know really, we haven't really thought about it yet." "Oh... well, can you tell me what version of the film it's going to be? Is it going to be the one with the scrol, or is it gonna be the one where Spike says 'shit'?" "I don't really know." "Oh. Well... what about the cover art?" And then he said, "Look, you seem to know a lot about this..." "Uh, yeah, I do a little bit, yeah yeah..." He said, "Do you reckon you could help with it?"\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 14:00</ref> When the license passed to [[Metrodome]], Jamieson quickly introduced himself to them, and was able to continue compiling special features for their releases.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Darren has been an invaluable to Metrodome. He has advised us and been a constant source of information and help - there is nothing he doesn't know! Darren's name was first mentioned to me by Maverick when I spoke to them during the hand over but from memory I think he contacted me directly also! I cannot thank Darren enough for his advice and help that he has given Metrodome. Within Metrodome there are no official "transfans" although I must confess I have become admirer myself since working on it and have the honour of being Metrodome's and TVL's resident authority on all things autobot - although I do not deserve the accolade! [...] When we began work on TF we discovered we had very little decent artwork. Darren Jamieson put me in touch with Lee as we were looking to package the DVD programming in radically different way to anyone before us. At this time we took the decision to commission Lee to draw some new artwork which is exclusive to our DVD's. I think we made the right decision and I was delighted with the artwork Lee produced - it looks great and I hope the fans like it. Lee was really great to work with. I am also in contact with another TF legendary artist Andrew Wildman so watch this space...\|link=https://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/gallery/corporate/jane+from+metrodome+in+2003/198\|name=Jane Lawson\|site=''Transformers At The Moon''\|title=Interview with Jane Lawson at Metrodome\|year=2003\|month=12\|day=09}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial\|quote=But then... they lost the license. I think it was only valid for about two years, or so. And Metrodome picked up. And it's like... I've gotta start again. Well, I got on the phone to Metrodome immediately, didn't I? Spoke to a lovely lady called Jane Lawson at Metrodome, who I'm still in touch with now, she's lovely. [...] Jane was working on producing the DVDs, and she knew nothing about ''Transformers'', but she just wanted to know lots about everything, so she, she, really loved it all and got involved with it. But I realised then that it was starting again, so it was going to be ''The Movie'', and it was going to be Season 1 boxset, yet again. And it's, you kind of feel like it's going back to square one again, because obviously we just had that, really, it's like getting reissues of Optimus Prime all the time. We want Season 2, and we want Season 3. But I helped them then with the cover art and all the special features again for the coming-up season boxsets. So I introduced them to Lee Sullivan [...] so that he could do some artwork for the DVDs. I also got in touch with Andy Wildman, so he did the postcard set.\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 17:41</ref> At one point, Metrodome staffer [[Jane Lawson]] asked him if he had any ideas for a truly unique extra; around the same time, fanartist Dylan Gibson (a user of Jamieson's fansite [https://www.thetransformers.net/ TheTransformers.net]) had asked if Jamieson could help him create a ''Transformers'' comic.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=But what happened then, you see, Jane wanted something special. She wanted something that hadn't been done before, that is- "Can you have any ideas for a special feature that nobody's used?" I said, "Well, I'll have a think about it." And at the same time, a guy named Dylan Gibson, who was one of the ''Transformers'' art contributors to the fanart gallery, which again is a special feature on some of the DVDs, that all came from TheTransformers.net... Dylan Gibson got in touch with me and said, "I would really love to draw a comic—a ''Transformers'' comic—it's been my dream. Do you know anyone that could help with that?" And I thought, "Jane wants something special for the Metrodome DVDs. Dylan wants to draw a comic. Hello... I think I've got an idea here." So I said to Dylan, "Yeah, I think I could not only help you with your comic, I think I could get it published, and get it officially released. How does that sound?" Well, obviously, yeah, that's pretty cool. And I said to Jane, "I've got this artist, wants to draw a comic for you. And he doesn't want paying for it, he just wants to do it for the experience. How does that sound?" Brilliant. Y'know, it's a win-win for everybody. So that was the concept then, "I'll write the comic for you, Dylan, all you've got to do it draw it. Jane will get it published, and then everybody's a winner..."\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 20:25</ref> The rest is history.
	* Veteran writer [[Simon Furman]] receives a thank-you alongside Lawson. Having never written a comic before, Jamieson had reached out to Furman asking for some advice—and although he doesn't remember what was said, he remembers finding it helpful. He's sure Simon wants none of the blame for how the comic actually turned out.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Well, I was a bit nervous about writing a comic... and for some reason I had contact details for Simon Furman as well, I don't know why, uhh... I don't recall ever doing anything with him, but I do recall messaging him and asking him for some help and advice. And he did help, he did offer some advice. I don't have the email that he sent, 'cause this is many computers ago, and it's been wiped. But I do recall Simon giving me some advice on how to do it, and how to lay out the comic. Whatever he said... I probably think, whatever he said, he didn't mean it! And he doesn't want to take any guilt whatsoever for what actually transpired. But I do remember him being really helpful, so much so that I wanted to put him on the credit. But unfortunately I can't rememeber what he said! Sure it was great, Simon, I'm sure it was brilliant!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 22:05</ref>		* Veteran writer [[Simon Furman]] receives a thank-you alongside Lawson. Having never written a comic before, Jamieson had reached out to Furman asking for some advice—and although he doesn't remember what was said, he remembers finding it helpful. He's sure Simon wants none of the blame for how the comic actually turned out.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Well, I was a bit nervous about writing a comic... and for some reason I had contact details for Simon Furman as well, I don't know why, uhh... I don't recall ever doing anything with him, but I do recall messaging him and asking him for some help and advice. And he did help, he did offer some advice. I don't have the email that he sent, 'cause this is many computers ago, and it's been wiped. But I do recall Simon giving me some advice on how to do it, and how to lay out the comic. Whatever he said... I probably think, whatever he said, he didn't mean it! And he doesn't want to take any guilt whatsoever for what actually transpired. But I do remember him being really helpful, so much so that I wanted to put him on the credit. But unfortunately I can't rememeber what he said! Sure it was great, Simon, I'm sure it was brilliant!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 22:05</ref>
	* In the foreword, artist Dylan Gibson stated that he wanted the comic to "combine the brash, bright eighties colours of the [[Marvel Comics\|old style comics]] with the strong character design associated with the [[Dreamwave Productions\|contemporary issues]]". Jamieson takes the blame for the Dreamwave-like art, stating that he specifically asked Gibson to draw it in a [[Pat Lee]] style, which was enormously popular at the time.<ref name=comicsans />		* In the foreword, artist Dylan Gibson stated that he wanted the comic to "combine the brash, bright eighties colours of the [[Marvel Comics\|old style comics]] with the strong character design associated with the [[Dreamwave Productions\|contemporary issues]]". Jamieson takes the blame for the Dreamwave-like art, stating that he specifically asked Gibson to draw it in a [[Pat Lee]] style, which was enormously popular at the time.<ref name=comicsans />

The Wadapan: concurred with Jenny about this, it's gotta be Swindle

2023-11-01T00:02:38Z

concurred with Jenny about this, it's gotta be Swindle

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	*[[Tantrum (G1)\|Tantrum]] (41)		*[[Tantrum (G1)\|Tantrum]] (41)
	*[[Dead End (G1)\|Dead End]] (43)		*[[Dead End (G1)\|Dead End]] (43)
	*~~???~~ (44)		*[[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]] (44)
	*[[Brawl (G1)\|Brawl]] (45)		*[[Brawl (G1)\|Brawl]] (45)
	*[[Rumble (G1)\|Rumble]] [[FIRRIB\|or]] [[Frenzy (G1)\|Frenzy]] (48)		*[[Rumble (G1)\|Rumble]] [[FIRRIB\|or]] [[Frenzy (G1)\|Frenzy]] (48)
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	* As the comic draws inspiration both from the cartoon (which the comic would be packaged with) and the comics (which had been a staple of Jamieson's childhood, with Furman's epic battle scenes in particular leaving a big impression),<ref name=beastorigins /> it similarly features a mix of influences for its character designs.		* As the comic draws inspiration both from the cartoon (which the comic would be packaged with) and the comics (which had been a staple of Jamieson's childhood, with Furman's epic battle scenes in particular leaving a big impression),<ref name=beastorigins /> it similarly features a mix of influences for its character designs.
	* The comic's huge cast is drawn entirely from the first three years of [[The Transformers (franchise)\|the franchise]]. In particular, it features almost every single Decepticon from this time period; some notable absences include [[Shockwave (G1)\|Shockwave]], [[Buzzsaw (G1)\|Buzzsaw]], [[Spyglass]], and [[Shrapnel (G1)\|Shrapnel]] (who appears in the second part).		* The comic's huge cast is drawn entirely from the first three years of [[The Transformers (franchise)\|the franchise]]. In particular, it features almost every single Decepticon from this time period; some notable absences include [[Shockwave (G1)\|Shockwave]], [[Buzzsaw (G1)\|Buzzsaw]], [[Spyglass]], and [[Shrapnel (G1)\|Shrapnel]] (who appears in the second part).
	** [[Motormaster (G1)\|Motormaster]], [[Wildrider (G1)\|Wildrider]], [[Breakdown (G1)\|Breakdown]], [[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off~~]], [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle~~]], and [[Hook (G1)\|Hook]] never appear as individuals, only as the component parts of their respective combined forms.		** [[Motormaster (G1)\|Motormaster]], [[Wildrider (G1)\|Wildrider]], [[Breakdown (G1)\|Breakdown]], [[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off]], and [[Hook (G1)\|Hook]] never appear as individuals, only as the component parts of their respective combined forms. [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]] appears to be barely visible in just a single panel, obscured by Dead End's arm, though his exact details are a little different to usual.
	** In an unusual choice, the [[Reflector (G1)\|Reflector]] robots are drawn according to their rarely-seen toy designs, rather than the near-identical designs based on Viewfinder's toy they shared in the cartoon.		** In an unusual choice, the [[Reflector (G1)\|Reflector]] robots are drawn according to their rarely-seen toy designs, rather than the near-identical designs based on Viewfinder's toy they shared in the cartoon.
	** One odd inclusion is [[Twin Twist (G1)\|Twin Twist]], who never appeared in the '80s cartoon. He was apparently added under Gibson's own initiative.		** One odd inclusion is [[Twin Twist (G1)\|Twin Twist]], who never appeared in the '80s cartoon. He was apparently added under Gibson's own initiative.

Cyberlink420: /* Legacy */

2023-10-31T14:38:00Z

Legacy

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	===Legacy===		===Legacy===
	* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>		* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation.
	* While he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, ~~when asked why people hated the comic so strongly, Jamieson~~ attributed the vitriol primarily to jealousy.<ref name=knockoff>{{citesocial\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.		* Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref> As for Jamieson, while he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, he attributed the vitriol towards the comic primarily to jealousy.<ref name=knockoff>{{citesocial\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.
	\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>		\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>
	* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.		* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.

The Wadapan at 14:34, 31 October 2023

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	* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>		* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>
	* While he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, when asked why people hated the comic so strongly, Jamieson attributed the vitriol primarily to jealousy.<ref>{{citesocial ~~name=knockoff~~\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.		* While he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, when asked why people hated the comic so strongly, Jamieson attributed the vitriol primarily to jealousy.<ref name=knockoff>{{citesocial\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.
	\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>		\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>
	* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.		* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.

The Wadapan: oh but I can't NOT include this

2023-10-31T14:34:21Z

oh but I can't NOT include this

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	* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>		* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>
			* While he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, when asked why people hated the comic so strongly, Jamieson attributed the vitriol primarily to jealousy.<ref>{{citesocial name=knockoff\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.
			\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>
	* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.		* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.
	* As far as [[Hasbro]] in 2009 was concerned, "There never was a Dinobot combiner".<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=There never was a Dinobot combiner, so we didn't think of re-inventing it.\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20090820093433/http://www.actionfigs.com/index.php?categoryid=21&p2_articleid=2471\|name=Hasbro\|title=Hasbro Transformers Q&A\|year=2008\|month=10\|day=13th}}</ref> While the most likely explanation for this comment is that this particular Hasbro representative was unaware of an obscure UK only DVD pack-in comic, and was simply remarking on the lack of such a combiner in the original '80s series, it's also possible Hasbro has tried to erase "The Beast Within" from [[canon]] entirely using special canon [[cannon (disambiguation)\|cannon]]s. However, with the introduction of ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Grimstone (PCC)\|Grimstone]] and ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Volcanicus (POTP)\|Volcanicus]] years later—the latter of whom has had several significant appearances in media and multiple toys—it seems that the idea of a Dinobot combiner is here to stay.		* As far as [[Hasbro]] in 2009 was concerned, "There never was a Dinobot combiner".<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=There never was a Dinobot combiner, so we didn't think of re-inventing it.\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20090820093433/http://www.actionfigs.com/index.php?categoryid=21&p2_articleid=2471\|name=Hasbro\|title=Hasbro Transformers Q&A\|year=2008\|month=10\|day=13th}}</ref> While the most likely explanation for this comment is that this particular Hasbro representative was unaware of an obscure UK only DVD pack-in comic, and was simply remarking on the lack of such a combiner in the original '80s series, it's also possible Hasbro has tried to erase "The Beast Within" from [[canon]] entirely using special canon [[cannon (disambiguation)\|cannon]]s. However, with the introduction of ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Grimstone (PCC)\|Grimstone]] and ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Volcanicus (POTP)\|Volcanicus]] years later—the latter of whom has had several significant appearances in media and multiple toys—it seems that the idea of a Dinobot combiner is here to stay. Jamieson considers Volcanicus to be "a cheap Hasbro knockoff"... but he does own one!<ref name=knockoff />
	* In the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' mobile game, [[Simon Furman]] would slyly nod to the Beast, with Swoop expressing trepidation over the thought of merging to form Volcanicus: "I dunno, ''Grimlock''. What if once we're combined we lose all sense of individuality, and become some monosyllabic, blundering oaf with less sense than a lug nut." Fittingly enough, Volcanicus faced off against Predaking.		* In the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' mobile game, [[Simon Furman]] would slyly nod to the Beast, with Swoop expressing trepidation over the thought of merging to form Volcanicus: "I dunno, ''Grimlock''. What if once we're combined we lose all sense of individuality, and become some monosyllabic, blundering oaf with less sense than a lug nut." Fittingly enough, Volcanicus faced off against Predaking.

Cyberlink420: /* Covers */ Formatting to match other comics

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Covers: Formatting to match other comics

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	~~[[Image:The Beast Within 1 full.jpg\|thumb\|200px\|We made our love on wasteland...]]~~		*Grimlock goes all tentacley while Optimus watches, surrounded by Megatron, Soundwave, and Starscream, by Dylan Gibson.
	*Grimlock goes all tentacley while Optimus watches, surrounded by Megatron, Soundwave, and Starscream.		<gallery>
	~~:Cover~~ by Dylan Gibson.		The Beast Within 1 full.jpg\|We made our love on wasteland...
			</gallery>

	==References==		==References==

Cyberlink420: /* Legacy */

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	* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation.		* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>
	* Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>
	* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.		* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.
	* As far as [[Hasbro]] in 2009 was concerned, "There never was a Dinobot combiner".<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=There never was a Dinobot combiner, so we didn't think of re-inventing it.\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20090820093433/http://www.actionfigs.com/index.php?categoryid=21&p2_articleid=2471\|name=Hasbro\|title=Hasbro Transformers Q&A\|year=2008\|month=10\|day=13th}}</ref> While the most likely explanation for this comment is that this particular Hasbro representative was unaware of an obscure UK only DVD pack-in comic, and was simply remarking on the lack of such a combiner in the original '80s series, it's also possible Hasbro has tried to erase "The Beast Within" from [[canon]] entirely using special canon [[cannon (disambiguation)\|cannon]]s.		* As far as [[Hasbro]] in 2009 was concerned, "There never was a Dinobot combiner".<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=There never was a Dinobot combiner, so we didn't think of re-inventing it.\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20090820093433/http://www.actionfigs.com/index.php?categoryid=21&p2_articleid=2471\|name=Hasbro\|title=Hasbro Transformers Q&A\|year=2008\|month=10\|day=13th}}</ref> While the most likely explanation for this comment is that this particular Hasbro representative was unaware of an obscure UK only DVD pack-in comic, and was simply remarking on the lack of such a combiner in the original '80s series, it's also possible Hasbro has tried to erase "The Beast Within" from [[canon]] entirely using special canon [[cannon (disambiguation)\|cannon]]s. However, with the introduction of ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Grimstone (PCC)\|Grimstone]] and ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Volcanicus (POTP)\|Volcanicus]] years later—the latter of whom has had several significant appearances in media and multiple toys—it seems that the idea of a Dinobot combiner is here to stay.
	* However, with the introduction of ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Grimstone (PCC)\|Grimstone]] and ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Volcanicus (POTP)\|Volcanicus]] years later—the latter of whom has had several significant appearances in media and ~~two different~~ toys—it seems that the idea of a Dinobot combiner is here to stay.
	* In the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' mobile game, [[Simon Furman]] would slyly nod to the Beast, with Swoop expressing trepidation over the thought of merging to form Volcanicus: "I dunno, ''Grimlock''. What if once we're combined we lose all sense of individuality, and become some monosyllabic, blundering oaf with less sense than a lug nut." Fittingly enough, Volcanicus faced off against Predaking.		* In the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' mobile game, [[Simon Furman]] would slyly nod to the Beast, with Swoop expressing trepidation over the thought of merging to form Volcanicus: "I dunno, ''Grimlock''. What if once we're combined we lose all sense of individuality, and become some monosyllabic, blundering oaf with less sense than a lug nut." Fittingly enough, Volcanicus faced off against Predaking.

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	* As the comic draws inspiration both from the cartoon (which the comic would be packaged with) and the comics (which had been a staple of Jamieson's childhood, with Furman's epic battle scenes in particular leaving a big impression),<ref name=beastorigins /> it similarly features a mix of influences for its character designs.		* As the comic draws inspiration both from the cartoon (which the comic would be packaged with) and the comics (which had been a staple of Jamieson's childhood, with Furman's epic battle scenes in particular leaving a big impression),<ref name=beastorigins /> it similarly features a mix of influences for its character designs.
	* The comic's huge cast is drawn entirely from the first three years of [[The Transformers (franchise)\|the franchise]]. In particular, it features almost every single Decepticon from this time period; some notable absences include [[Shockwave (G1)\|Shockwave]], [[Buzzsaw (G1)\|Buzzsaw]], [[Spyglass]], and [[Shrapnel (G1)\|Shrapnel]] (who appears in the second part).		* The comic's huge cast is drawn entirely from the first three years of [[The Transformers (franchise)\|the franchise]]. In particular, it features almost every single Decepticon from this time period; some notable absences include [[Shockwave (G1)\|Shockwave]], [[Buzzsaw (G1)\|Buzzsaw]], [[Spyglass]], and [[Shrapnel (G1)\|Shrapnel]] (who appears in the second part).
	** [[Motormaster (G1)\|Motormaster]], [[Wildrider (G1)\|Wildrider]], [[Breakdown (G1)\|Breakdown]], [[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off~~]], [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle~~]], and [[Hook (G1)\|Hook]] never appear as individuals, only as the component parts of their respective combined forms.		** [[Motormaster (G1)\|Motormaster]], [[Wildrider (G1)\|Wildrider]], [[Breakdown (G1)\|Breakdown]], [[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off]], and [[Hook (G1)\|Hook]] never appear as individuals, only as the component parts of their respective combined forms. [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]] appears to be barely visible in just a single panel, obscured by Dead End's arm, though his exact details are a little different to usual.
	** In an unusual choice, the [[Reflector (G1)\|Reflector]] robots are drawn according to their rarely-seen toy designs, rather than the near-identical designs based on Viewfinder's toy they shared in the cartoon.		** In an unusual choice, the [[Reflector (G1)\|Reflector]] robots are drawn according to their rarely-seen toy designs, rather than the near-identical designs based on Viewfinder's toy they shared in the cartoon.
	** One odd inclusion is [[Twin Twist (G1)\|Twin Twist]], who never appeared in the '80s cartoon. He was apparently added under Gibson's own initiative.		** One odd inclusion is [[Twin Twist (G1)\|Twin Twist]], who never appeared in the '80s cartoon. He was apparently added under Gibson's own initiative.

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	* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>		* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation.
	* While he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, ~~when asked why people hated the comic so strongly, Jamieson~~ attributed the vitriol primarily to jealousy.<ref name=knockoff>{{citesocial\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.		* Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref> As for Jamieson, while he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, he attributed the vitriol towards the comic primarily to jealousy.<ref name=knockoff>{{citesocial\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.
	\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>		\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>
	* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.		* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.

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	* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>		* In the aftermath of the comic's release, fans widely lambasted the story over its melodramatic tone, amateur lettering, disregard for any and all existing ''Transformers'' "[[canon]]", and for the very idea of the Dinobots combining. In response, Jamieson waded into conversations to defend his writing, usually by mocking all users involved.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Was All Hail Megatron limited to the pages we had? I think... not. [...] As I thought. You want to be spoon fed the story. You're right, no stories start half way in... Star Wars, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction... oh hang on, they do. [...] People don't like the story, I know. What you fail to understand is that an info dump is a moronic method of storytelling. For example, you have two characters heading somewhere. They both know where they're going, and why, but because the writer has no clever way of explaining it one of the characters will say "tell me why we're going here again" so that the other can explain it for the audience, the stupid audience. That's you. You prefer Bladerunner with the voiceover, you are in the minority.\|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/anyone-afraid-of-the-dinobot-combiner.267500/page-5#post-4149462\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=TFW2005\|title=Anyone afraid of the Dinobot combiner?\|year=2009\|month=09\|day=24}}</ref> Over the years, these arguments have contributed to the comic's outsized reputation. Understandably, Gibson was apparently very disheartened by the hatred the comic received online.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=I don't think he was happy with the negativity he got from it. And I can understand that, it's like people are dissing his work. But the first one was the Pat Lee style because I asked him to do it that way, the second one he did it his own way and it looks much better. I genuinely think, in that second one, I think the art looks great. I think Dylan did a fantastic job, I think he's got nothing to be worried about, and it's not fair that he gets criticism when he really shouldn't, because he's a superb artist and he's done a brilliant piece of work. It's just a shame that... it's got that reputation. But then, it does make it the most talked-about Transformers comic in history!\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 48:31</ref>
	* While he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, when asked why people hated the comic so strongly, Jamieson attributed the vitriol primarily to jealousy.<ref>{{citesocial ~~name=knockoff~~\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.		* While he acknowledges flaws with the comic's art and lettering, when asked why people hated the comic so strongly, Jamieson attributed the vitriol primarily to jealousy.<ref name=knockoff>{{citesocial\|quote=I think there's many reasons people don't like it. Firstly, it's an officially published comic that was done by effectively a fan! There's a lot of jealousy about that, that I actually got it published and made, and got it distributed. And, face it bitches... it's canon! It's canon, say what you want! The Beast Within is canon, you can debate it all you want online, but it- is- canon. Even Hasbro had to comment on it, but there we go. So yeah, they hate it for that reason, they hate it for the fact that the Dinobots combine, and "The Dinobots don't combine!" Yes, they do. They do now, officially, thanks to me doing this. Now Hasbro's cottoned onto it and they've started doing it as well, and they've released a knockoff Beast and they've called it Volcanicus. [...] I do own a Volcanicus, actually. I've just bought an upgrade kit for it as well.
	\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>		\|link=https://ourworldspod.podbean.com/e/bonus-episode-5-i-m-big-enough-and-ugly-enough\|name=Darren Jamieson\|site=''Our Worlds are in Danger''\|title=I'm Big Enough, and Ugly Enough\|year=2023\|month=10\|day=31}} - 45:01</ref>
	* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.		* The year after this comic's release, an unrelated Grimlock/Swoop combiner toy was released in the form of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)\| Energon]]'' [[Mega-Dinobot]]. Perhaps fittingly, it's terrible.