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	[[File:Prima.jpg\|thumb\|upright=3\|Prima? What? It's a manly name.]]		[[File:Prima.jpg\|thumb\|upright=3\|Prima? What? It's a manly name.]]
	When the [[theomachy\|war]] against [[Unicron]] was in stalemate, [[Primus]] created the first [[Transformer]]: '''Prima''' (aka '''Prima Prime'''). Appointed by his creator as a "Warrior of Light", Prima wields the legendary [[Star Saber (~~Prima~~)\|Star Saber]] sword into [[Expulsion of Unicron\|battle]] with his fellow [[Thirteen\|stewards]] of Primus' planetary form, [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. His nature often brings him into conflict with his [[The Fallen\|opposite]], fueling tensions that eventually explode into the [[War of the Primes]]. Eventually, Prima's [[Matrix of Leadership]], once attached to the Star Saber's hilt<ref>According to the [[Keeper (Transformer)\|Keeper]] in "[[The Primal Scream\|Primal Scream]]", Marvel US #61</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>, is relinquished and passed down to his eventual successor (and sometimes fellow member of the Thirteen): the [[Thirteenth Prime]].		When the [[theomachy\|war]] against [[Unicron]] was in stalemate, [[Primus]] created the first [[Transformer]]: '''Prima''' (aka '''Prima Prime'''). Appointed by his creator as a "Warrior of Light", Prima wields the legendary [[Star Saber (Thirteen)\|Star Saber]] sword into [[Expulsion of Unicron\|battle]] with his fellow [[Thirteen\|stewards]] of Primus' planetary form, [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. His nature often brings him into conflict with his [[The Fallen\|opposite]], fueling tensions that eventually explode into the [[War of the Primes]]. Eventually, Prima's [[Matrix of Leadership]], once attached to the Star Saber's hilt<ref>According to the [[Keeper (Transformer)\|Keeper]] in "[[The Primal Scream\|Primal Scream]]", Marvel US #61</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>, is relinquished and passed down to his eventual successor (and sometimes fellow member of the Thirteen): the [[Thirteenth Prime]].

	It is uncertain what relationship Prima has, if any, to [[Primon]], another early Matrix bearer.		It is uncertain what relationship Prima has, if any, to [[Primon]], another early Matrix bearer.
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	[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' declared Prima to be one of the "Thirteen Original Transformers" alongside [[Liege Maximo]] and The Fallen. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron depicted images from the G2 comics and identified the "purple and yellow" bot as Prima, retroactively making the blue/yellow Transformer and purple/yellow Transformer the same character.<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.		[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' declared Prima to be one of the "Thirteen Original Transformers" alongside [[Liege Maximo]] and The Fallen. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron depicted images from the G2 comics and identified the "purple and yellow" bot as Prima, retroactively making the blue/yellow Transformer and purple/yellow Transformer the same character.<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.

	[[Hasbro]] took control of the Thirteen from Simon Furman, including Prima as part of their definitive roster of the Thirteen. Featured with a new design by [[Ken Christiansen]] during [[BotCon 2010]], Prima would be shown wielding his personal [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]]: a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (~~Prima~~)\|Star Saber]], carrying the Matrix in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''[[Ask Vector Prime]]''.		[[Hasbro]] took control of the Thirteen from Simon Furman, including Prima as part of their definitive roster of the Thirteen. Featured with a new design by [[Ken Christiansen]] during [[BotCon 2010]], Prima would be shown wielding his personal [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]]: a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Thirteen)\|Star Saber]], carrying the Matrix in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''[[Ask Vector Prime]]''.

	Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' toyline with the name Prima Prime, which would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]'' and the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]'' toyline. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. ''Age of the Primes'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.		Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' toyline with the name Prima Prime, which would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]'' and the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]'' toyline. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. ''Age of the Primes'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.

Daytonjhammon: /* Conceptual History */

2025-02-15T05:48:09Z

Conceptual History

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	The character that would later be known as Prima was introduced in [[1986]] as a '''"Powerful Robot"''' in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon]] episode, [[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]. Created by the [[Quintesson]]s, the "Powerful Robot" was an instigator of the [[Autobot Rebellion]]. This Autobot would be one of many Matrix Wielders seen by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] in the present-day of the cartoon, being preceded only by an "Ancient Robot". Over two decades later, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' would retroactively declare the "Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character, to be Prima.		The character that would later be known as Prima was introduced in [[1986]] as a '''"Powerful Robot"''' in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon]] episode, [[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]. Created by the [[Quintesson]]s, the "Powerful Robot" was an instigator of the [[Autobot Rebellion]]. This Autobot would be one of many Matrix Wielders seen by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] in the present-day of the cartoon, being preceded only by an "Ancient Robot". Over two decades later, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' would retroactively declare the "Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character, to be Prima.

	In [[1988]], comics writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce a lineage of Matrix wielders in the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], including Prima, who was interpreted by fans to be the blue and yellow colored Transformer seen in ~~the Transformers US issue~~ "[[The Primal Scream]]". Simon Furman continued exploring the origins of the Transformers in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|G2 Marvel]] comics, with "[[The Power and the Glory]]" giving Optimus Prime a glimpse into Cybertron's primordial past, only to see a purple and yellow colored Transformer emerge from the planet's surface as the definitive "First Transformer" created by Primus. This "first Transformer" was not depicted as a Matrix Wielder, nor did the comics suggest that this character was the same one seen in "The Primal Scream". Prima's placement among the Matrix Wielders would be further muddled by the [[BotCon 1999]] story "[[Reaching the Omega Point]]" - which established a character called Primon as the first one to hold the Matrix, not Prima. Simon Furman's non-answer in an interview<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php</ref>, claiming "The Matrix forgot", did little to mend this continuity error.		In [[1988]], comics writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce a lineage of Matrix wielders in the [[Marvel Comics continuity]] in "[[Dark Creation]]", including Prima, who was interpreted by fans to be the blue and yellow colored Transformer seen in "[[The Primal Scream]]". Simon Furman continued exploring the origins of the Transformers in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|G2 Marvel]] comics, with "[[The Power and the Glory]]" giving Optimus Prime a glimpse into Cybertron's primordial past, only to see a purple and yellow colored Transformer emerge from the planet's surface as the definitive "First Transformer" created by Primus. This "first Transformer" was not depicted as a Matrix Wielder, nor did the comics suggest that this character was the same one seen in "The Primal Scream". Prima's placement among the Matrix Wielders would be further muddled by the [[BotCon 1999]] story "[[Reaching the Omega Point]]" - which established a character called Primon as the first one to hold the Matrix, not Prima. Simon Furman's non-answer in an interview<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php</ref>, claiming "The Matrix forgot", did little to mend this continuity error.

	[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' declared Prima to be one of the "Thirteen Original Transformers" alongside [[Liege Maximo]] and The Fallen. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron depicted images from the G2 comics and identified the "purple and yellow" bot as Prima, retroactively making the blue/yellow Transformer and purple/yellow Transformer the same character.<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.		[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' declared Prima to be one of the "Thirteen Original Transformers" alongside [[Liege Maximo]] and The Fallen. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron depicted images from the G2 comics and identified the "purple and yellow" bot as Prima, retroactively making the blue/yellow Transformer and purple/yellow Transformer the same character.<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.

Daytonjhammon: /* Conceptual History */ Did another pass at Prima conceptual history, open to rewrites/suggestions

2025-02-15T05:46:50Z

Conceptual History: Did another pass at Prima conceptual history, open to rewrites/suggestions

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	==Conceptual History==		==Conceptual History==
	Prima'~~s origins stem from a series of retcons~~ in ~~both~~ the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon ~~continuity~~]] ~~and~~ [[~~Marvel Comics continuity~~]], as the ~~character~~ was ~~slowly developed alongside~~ the ~~mythology~~ of ~~Primus, Unicron, and the Thirteen, which attempted to explain~~ the ~~origins~~ of the ~~Transformers and the Matrix~~'~~s lineage of wielders. By~~ [[~~2010~~]], ~~this would lead~~ to ~~an amalgamation of various identities into one definitive~~ Prima.		The character that would later be known as Prima was introduced in [[1986]] as a '''"Powerful Robot"''' in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon]] episode, [[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]. Created by the [[Quintesson]]s, the "Powerful Robot" was an instigator of the [[Autobot Rebellion]]. This Autobot would be one of many Matrix Wielders seen by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] in the present-day of the cartoon, being preceded only by an "Ancient Robot". Over two decades later, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' would retroactively declare the "Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character, to be Prima.

	In [[~~1986~~]], a ~~'''"Powerful Robot"''' was featured~~ in the [[~~The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon~~]]~~'s third season premiere~~, the ~~five-episode arc~~ [[~~Five Faces of Darkness~~]]. ~~Created by~~ the [[~~Quintesson~~]]s, ~~the "Powerful Robot~~" ~~became an instigator of the~~ [[~~Autobot Rebellion~~]], only to ~~be killed~~. This ~~bot would be~~ one ~~of many~~ Matrix Wielders ~~seen~~ by [[~~Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime~~]] in the ~~present~~-~~day of~~ the ~~cartoon~~, ~~being preceded only by~~ an ~~"Ancient Robot"~~. ~~Over two decades later~~, ~~''[[Transformers Animated:~~ The ~~AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' would retroactively declare the~~ "~~Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character~~, to ~~be Prima~~.		In [[1988]], comics writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce a lineage of Matrix wielders in the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], including Prima, who was interpreted by fans to be the blue and yellow colored Transformer seen in the Transformers US issue "[[The Primal Scream]]". Simon Furman continued exploring the origins of the Transformers in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|G2 Marvel]] comics, with "[[The Power and the Glory]]" giving Optimus Prime a glimpse into Cybertron's primordial past, only to see a purple and yellow colored Transformer emerge from the planet's surface as the definitive "First Transformer" created by Primus. This "first Transformer" was not depicted as a Matrix Wielder, nor did the comics suggest that this character was the same one seen in "The Primal Scream". Prima's placement among the Matrix Wielders would be further muddled by the [[BotCon 1999]] story "[[Reaching the Omega Point]]" - which established a character called Primon as the first one to hold the Matrix, not Prima. Simon Furman's non-answer in an interview<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php</ref>, claiming "The Matrix forgot", did little to mend this continuity error.

	Two years later, comics writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Optimus Prime]]'s predecessor, a gold Autobot, in the Transformers (UK) issue "[[The Legacy of Unicron!]]". As the origins of the Transformers were revisited in the United States, Simon Furman introduced in "[[The Primal Scream]]" a '''"blue and yellow" Matrix Wielder''' created by Primus to fight Unicron, with fans interpreting this bot to be one of the first Transformers created. Four issues later, a quote from the Creation Matrix (seen at the top of this page) established a lineage of Matrix Wielders beginning with "Prima" as the first Transformer after Primus. Thus, fans concluded that the "blue and yellow" bot they had seen in "The Primal Scream" was Prima, while the gold Autobot seen in "The Legacy of Unicron" was Sentinel.		[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' declared Prima to be one of the "Thirteen Original Transformers" alongside [[Liege Maximo]] and The Fallen. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron depicted images from the G2 comics and identified the "purple and yellow" bot as Prima, retroactively making the blue/yellow Transformer and purple/yellow Transformer the same character.<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.

	Simon Furman continued exploring the origins of the Transformers in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|G2 Marvel]] comics, with "[[The Power and the Glory]]" giving Optimus Prime a glimpse into Cybertron's primordial past, only to see a '''"''purple'' and yellow" bot''' emerge from the planet's surface as the definitive "First Transformer" created by Primus. The issue never depicted this "First Transformer" being a Matrix Wielder, nor did it suggest that this character was the same one seen in "The Primal Scream". Prima's placement among the Matrix Wielders would be further muddled by the [[BotCon 1999]] story "[[Reaching the Omega Point]]" - which established a character called Primon as the first one to hold the Matrix, not Prima. Simon Furman's non-answer in an interview<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php</ref>, claiming "The Matrix forgot", did little to mend this continuity error.

	[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' declared Prima to be one of the "Thirteen Original Transformers" alongside [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron depicted images from the G2 comics and identified the "purple and yellow" bot as Prima, retroactively making the blue/yellow ~~'bot~~ and purple/yellow ~~'bot~~ the same character.<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.

	[[Hasbro]] took control of the Thirteen from Simon Furman, including Prima as part of their definitive roster of the Thirteen. Featured with a new design by [[Ken Christiansen]] during [[BotCon 2010]], Prima would be shown wielding his personal [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]]: a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], carrying the Matrix in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''[[Ask Vector Prime]]''.		[[Hasbro]] took control of the Thirteen from Simon Furman, including Prima as part of their definitive roster of the Thirteen. Featured with a new design by [[Ken Christiansen]] during [[BotCon 2010]], Prima would be shown wielding his personal [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]]: a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], carrying the Matrix in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''[[Ask Vector Prime]]''.

Daytonjhammon: Trying to reword certain sentences in "Conceptual History" to make more sense / flow better.

2025-01-29T04:24:38Z

Trying to reword certain sentences in "Conceptual History" to make more sense / flow better.

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	Simon Furman continued exploring the origins of the Transformers in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|G2 Marvel]] comics, with "[[The Power and the Glory]]" giving Optimus Prime a glimpse into Cybertron's primordial past, only to see a '''"''purple'' and yellow" bot''' emerge from the planet's surface as the definitive "First Transformer" created by Primus. The issue never depicted this "First Transformer" being a Matrix Wielder, nor did it suggest that this character was the same one seen in "The Primal Scream". Prima's placement among the Matrix Wielders would be further muddled by the [[BotCon 1999]] story "[[Reaching the Omega Point]]" - which established a character called Primon as the first one to hold the Matrix, not Prima. Simon Furman's non-answer in an interview<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php</ref>, claiming "The Matrix forgot", did little to mend this continuity error.		Simon Furman continued exploring the origins of the Transformers in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|G2 Marvel]] comics, with "[[The Power and the Glory]]" giving Optimus Prime a glimpse into Cybertron's primordial past, only to see a '''"''purple'' and yellow" bot''' emerge from the planet's surface as the definitive "First Transformer" created by Primus. The issue never depicted this "First Transformer" being a Matrix Wielder, nor did it suggest that this character was the same one seen in "The Primal Scream". Prima's placement among the Matrix Wielders would be further muddled by the [[BotCon 1999]] story "[[Reaching the Omega Point]]" - which established a character called Primon as the first one to hold the Matrix, not Prima. Simon Furman's non-answer in an interview<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php</ref>, claiming "The Matrix forgot", did little to mend this continuity error.

	[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' ~~brought together several~~ of ~~Simon Furman's creations (including~~ [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]~~) as members of the "Thirteen Original Transformers", who battled Unicron~~. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> ~~depicted images from the G2 comics and declared the "purple and yellow" bot to be Prima, merging the two characters.~~ Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.		[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' declared Prima to be one of the "Thirteen Original Transformers" alongside [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron depicted images from the G2 comics and identified the "purple and yellow" bot as Prima, retroactively making the blue/yellow 'bot and purple/yellow 'bot the same character.<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.

	[[Hasbro]] ~~ran with~~ Furman~~'s Thirteen concept~~, including Prima as part of ~~the~~ definitive ~~''Covenant''~~ roster of the Thirteen, with new ~~concept art drawn~~ by [[Ken Christiansen]] ~~for Hasbro's new [[Binder of Revelation\|brand bible]] in~~ [[BotCon 2010]]. Prima~~'s main~~ [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]] ~~would become~~ a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], ~~which had been introduced as a [[Mini-Con]] weapon in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)\|Armada]]'', with~~ the Matrix ~~being placed~~ in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''[[Ask Vector Prime]]''.		[[Hasbro]] took control of the Thirteen from Simon Furman, including Prima as part of their definitive roster of the Thirteen. Featured with a new design by [[Ken Christiansen]] during [[BotCon 2010]], Prima would be shown wielding his personal [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]]: a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], carrying the Matrix in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''[[Ask Vector Prime]]''.

	Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' toyline with the name Prima Prime, which would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]'' and the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]'' toyline. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. ''Age of the Primes'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.		Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' toyline with the name Prima Prime, which would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]'' and the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]'' toyline. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. ''Age of the Primes'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.

Daytonjhammon: /* Conceptual History */

2025-01-27T17:26:36Z

Conceptual History

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	[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' brought together several of Simon Furman's creations (including [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]) as members of the "Thirteen Original Transformers", who battled Unicron. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> depicted images from the G2 comics and declared the "purple and yellow" bot to be Prima, merging the two characters. Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.		[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' brought together several of Simon Furman's creations (including [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]) as members of the "Thirteen Original Transformers", who battled Unicron. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> depicted images from the G2 comics and declared the "purple and yellow" bot to be Prima, merging the two characters. Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.

	[[Hasbro]] ran with Furman's Thirteen concept, including Prima as part of the definitive ''Covenant'' roster of the Thirteen, with new concept art drawn by [[Ken Christiansen]] for Hasbro's new [[Binder of Revelation\|brand bible]] in [[BotCon 2010]]. Prima's main [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]] would become a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], which had been introduced as a [[Mini-Con]] weapon in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)\|Armada]]'', with the Matrix being placed in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''Ask Vector Prime''.		[[Hasbro]] ran with Furman's Thirteen concept, including Prima as part of the definitive ''Covenant'' roster of the Thirteen, with new concept art drawn by [[Ken Christiansen]] for Hasbro's new [[Binder of Revelation\|brand bible]] in [[BotCon 2010]]. Prima's main [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]] would become a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], which had been introduced as a [[Mini-Con]] weapon in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)\|Armada]]'', with the Matrix being placed in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''[[Ask Vector Prime]]''.

			Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' toyline with the name Prima Prime, which would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]'' and the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]'' toyline. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. ''Age of the Primes'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.

	Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' toyline with the name Prima Prime, which would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]'' and the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]'' toyline. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. ''Age of the Primes'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.
	==Note Concerning Main Picture==		==Note Concerning Main Picture==
	:Just as [[The Fallen]]'s main picture is being discussed being changed into the AOTP concept art design, we could consider changing Prima's main page into his AOTP concept art design - provided we can find a clean enough version without text over it. I'm not saying we should change it because it's the most recent design, but rather because it combines his "Powerful Robot" design with his "Aligned" design, serving as a more continuity-agnostic version. I think using AOTP pictures should only apply to Prima, The Fallen, ''maybe'' Alpha Trion, and ''maybe'' Liege Maximo, but the latter two will depend on what their toy designs look like. The rest should stick with their ''Covenant of Primus'' designs as the main pictures for now. --[[User:Daytonjhammon\|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon\|talk]]) 13:48, 26 January 2025 (EST)		:Just as [[The Fallen]]'s main picture is being discussed being changed into the AOTP concept art design, we could consider changing Prima's main page into his AOTP concept art design - provided we can find a clean enough version without text over it. I'm not saying we should change it because it's the most recent design, but rather because it combines his "Powerful Robot" design with his "Aligned" design, serving as a more continuity-agnostic version. I think using AOTP pictures should only apply to Prima, The Fallen, ''maybe'' Alpha Trion, and ''maybe'' Liege Maximo, but the latter two will depend on what their toy designs look like. The rest should stick with their ''Covenant of Primus'' designs as the main pictures for now. --[[User:Daytonjhammon\|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon\|talk]]) 13:48, 26 January 2025 (EST)

Daytonjhammon: Expanded Prima's development during the G1/G2 comics + Reaching the Omega Point

2025-01-27T17:25:38Z

Expanded Prima's development during the G1/G2 comics + Reaching the Omega Point

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	[[File:Prima.jpg\|thumb\|upright=3\|~~His legal name is~~ Prima ~~Prime, of the Primes created by Primus.~~ It's ~~quite the mouthful~~.]]		[[File:Prima.jpg\|thumb\|upright=3\|Prima? What? It's a manly name.]]
	When the [[theomachy\|war]] against [[Unicron]] was in stalemate, [[Primus]] created the first [[Transformer]]: '''Prima''' (aka '''Prima Prime'''). Appointed by his creator as a "Warrior of Light", Prima wields the legendary [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]] sword into [[Expulsion of Unicron\|battle]] with his fellow [[Thirteen\|stewards]] of Primus' planetary form, [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. His nature often brings him into conflict with his [[The Fallen\|opposite]], fueling tensions that eventually explode into the [[War of the Primes]]. Eventually, Prima's [[Matrix of Leadership]], once attached to the Star Saber's hilt<ref>According to the [[Keeper (Transformer)\|Keeper]] in "[[The Primal Scream\|Primal Scream]]", Marvel US #61</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>, is relinquished and passed down to his eventual successor (and sometimes fellow member of the Thirteen): the [[Thirteenth Prime]].		When the [[theomachy\|war]] against [[Unicron]] was in stalemate, [[Primus]] created the first [[Transformer]]: '''Prima''' (aka '''Prima Prime'''). Appointed by his creator as a "Warrior of Light", Prima wields the legendary [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]] sword into [[Expulsion of Unicron\|battle]] with his fellow [[Thirteen\|stewards]] of Primus' planetary form, [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. His nature often brings him into conflict with his [[The Fallen\|opposite]], fueling tensions that eventually explode into the [[War of the Primes]]. Eventually, Prima's [[Matrix of Leadership]], once attached to the Star Saber's hilt<ref>According to the [[Keeper (Transformer)\|Keeper]] in "[[The Primal Scream\|Primal Scream]]", Marvel US #61</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>, is relinquished and passed down to his eventual successor (and sometimes fellow member of the Thirteen): the [[Thirteenth Prime]].

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	==Conceptual History==		==Conceptual History==
	A '~~''"Powerful Robot"''' was featured~~ in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon]]~~'s third season premiere, the five-episode arc~~ [[~~Five Faces of Darkness~~]]~~. Created by~~ the ~~[[Quintesson]]s,~~ the ~~"Powerful Robot" became an instigator~~ of the ~~[[Autobot Rebellion]]~~, ~~only~~ to ~~be killed. This bot would be one of many Matrix Wielders seen by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] in~~ the ~~present-day~~ of the ~~cartoon. A few years later,~~ the ~~[[Marvel Comics continuity]] writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce a bot created as the "First Transformer", who also wielded the Creation~~ Matrix ~~to protect Cybertron from Unicron.<ref>[[The Primal Scream]]</ref> Four issues later, this bot would be properly introduced as Prima, solidifying the character~~'s ~~basic traits as a Matrix Wielder, "First Transformer", and warrior~~.~~<ref>~~[[~~Dark Creation~~]]~~</ref> Over two decades later~~, ~~''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]''~~ would ~~retroactively declare the "Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character,~~ to be Prima.		Prima's origins stem from a series of retcons in both the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon continuity]] and [[Marvel Comics continuity]], as the character was slowly developed alongside the mythology of Primus, Unicron, and the Thirteen, which attempted to explain the origins of the Transformers and the Matrix's lineage of wielders. By [[2010]], this would lead to an amalgamation of various identities into one definitive Prima.

	~~After Prima's debut in the Marvel Comics, he would be forgotten for over a decade until~~ [[~~2004~~]]'s ''~~[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' brought together several of Simon Furman's creations (including [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]) as members of the~~ "~~Thirteen Original Transformers~~"~~, who battled Unicron. A few years later, [[Hasbro]] reintroduced him as part of the definitive~~ ''~~Covenant~~'~~' roster of~~ the ~~Thirteen with new concept art drawn by~~ [[~~Ken Christiansen~~]] ~~for Hasbro~~'s ~~new~~ [[~~Binder~~ of ~~Revelation\|brand bible~~]] in [[~~BotCon 2010~~]]~~. Prima'~~s ~~main [[Artifacts of~~ the ~~Primes\|artifact]] would become a new incarnation~~ of the [[~~Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber~~]], ~~which had been introduced as a [[Mini-Con]] weapon in ''~~[[~~Transformers: Armada~~ (cartoon~~)\|Armada]]'', with the Matrix being placed in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus~~\|~~Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus~~ Prime]]~~'s bio~~ in ~~[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given~~ the ~~title~~ "~~Warrior of Light~~"~~<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www~~.~~toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>~~, ~~Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s~~ ''[[Transformers: The ~~Covenant of Primus~~\|The ~~Covenant of Primus~~]]'', ~~establishing him as~~ a ~~noble warrior focused on establishing order and civilization~~, ~~in contrast~~ to ~~the chaos he saw within Megatronus and Liege Maximo.~~ Prima and Megatronus would clash often, with their feud playing a role in the skirmishes that took place in the [[War of the Primes]]. This feud would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''Ask Vector Prime''.		In [[1986]], a '''"Powerful Robot"''' was featured in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon]]'s third season premiere, the five-episode arc [[Five Faces of Darkness]]. Created by the [[Quintesson]]s, the "Powerful Robot" became an instigator of the [[Autobot Rebellion]], only to be killed. This bot would be one of many Matrix Wielders seen by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] in the present-day of the cartoon, being preceded only by an "Ancient Robot". Over two decades later, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' would retroactively declare the "Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character, to be Prima.

	Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' as Prima Prime, ~~a name that~~ would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]''. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. ~~A few months after the film's release, the~~ ''~~[[Transformers:~~ Age of the Primes~~\|Age of the Primes]]~~'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.		Two years later, comics writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Optimus Prime]]'s predecessor, a gold Autobot, in the Transformers (UK) issue "[[The Legacy of Unicron!]]". As the origins of the Transformers were revisited in the United States, Simon Furman introduced in "[[The Primal Scream]]" a '''"blue and yellow" Matrix Wielder''' created by Primus to fight Unicron, with fans interpreting this bot to be one of the first Transformers created. Four issues later, a quote from the Creation Matrix (seen at the top of this page) established a lineage of Matrix Wielders beginning with "Prima" as the first Transformer after Primus. Thus, fans concluded that the "blue and yellow" bot they had seen in "The Primal Scream" was Prima, while the gold Autobot seen in "The Legacy of Unicron" was Sentinel.

			Simon Furman continued exploring the origins of the Transformers in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|G2 Marvel]] comics, with "[[The Power and the Glory]]" giving Optimus Prime a glimpse into Cybertron's primordial past, only to see a '''"''purple'' and yellow" bot''' emerge from the planet's surface as the definitive "First Transformer" created by Primus. The issue never depicted this "First Transformer" being a Matrix Wielder, nor did it suggest that this character was the same one seen in "The Primal Scream". Prima's placement among the Matrix Wielders would be further muddled by the [[BotCon 1999]] story "[[Reaching the Omega Point]]" - which established a character called Primon as the first one to hold the Matrix, not Prima. Simon Furman's non-answer in an interview<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php</ref>, claiming "The Matrix forgot", did little to mend this continuity error.

			[[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' brought together several of Simon Furman's creations (including [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]) as members of the "Thirteen Original Transformers", who battled Unicron. ''The Ultimate Guide'''s page on Cybertron<ref>https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/y8xcna3xgv4.jpg</ref> depicted images from the G2 comics and declared the "purple and yellow" bot to be Prima, merging the two characters. Prima's role as a member of an ancient pantheon, a "First Transformer", and an early Matrix Wielder, were now firmly established, with his predecessors in both the cartoon and "Reaching the Omega Point" being ignored, save for another retcon from ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', which merged "Primon" and the "Ancient Robot" into one individual.

			[[Hasbro]] ran with Furman's Thirteen concept, including Prima as part of the definitive ''Covenant'' roster of the Thirteen, with new concept art drawn by [[Ken Christiansen]] for Hasbro's new [[Binder of Revelation\|brand bible]] in [[BotCon 2010]]. Prima's main [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]] would become a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], which had been introduced as a [[Mini-Con]] weapon in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)\|Armada]]'', with the Matrix being placed in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a stick-in-the-mud warrior, leader of the Thirteen, and developer of early Cybertronian civilization. Prima's orderly nature would clash with Megatronus's brash and violent nature, leading to arguments that laid the groundwork for the War of the Primes. This feud between Prima and Megatronus would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''Ask Vector Prime''.

			Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' toyline with the name Prima Prime, which would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]'' and the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]'' toyline. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. ''Age of the Primes'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.
	==Note Concerning Main Picture==		==Note Concerning Main Picture==
	:Just as [[The Fallen]]'s main picture is being discussed being changed into the AOTP concept art design, we could consider changing Prima's main page into his AOTP concept art design - provided we can find a clean enough version without text over it. I'm not saying we should change it because it's the most recent design, but rather because it combines his "Powerful Robot" design with his "Aligned" design, serving as a more continuity-agnostic version. I think using AOTP pictures should only apply to Prima, The Fallen, ''maybe'' Alpha Trion, and ''maybe'' Liege Maximo, but the latter two will depend on what their toy designs look like. The rest should stick with their ''Covenant of Primus'' designs as the main pictures for now. --[[User:Daytonjhammon\|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon\|talk]]) 13:48, 26 January 2025 (EST)		:Just as [[The Fallen]]'s main picture is being discussed being changed into the AOTP concept art design, we could consider changing Prima's main page into his AOTP concept art design - provided we can find a clean enough version without text over it. I'm not saying we should change it because it's the most recent design, but rather because it combines his "Powerful Robot" design with his "Aligned" design, serving as a more continuity-agnostic version. I think using AOTP pictures should only apply to Prima, The Fallen, ''maybe'' Alpha Trion, and ''maybe'' Liege Maximo, but the latter two will depend on what their toy designs look like. The rest should stick with their ''Covenant of Primus'' designs as the main pictures for now. --[[User:Daytonjhammon\|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon\|talk]]) 13:48, 26 January 2025 (EST)

Daytonjhammon at 04:27, 27 January 2025

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	==Conceptual History==		==Conceptual History==
	The ~~history~~ of Prima's ~~development is one full of brief appearances~~, ~~retcons~~, and ~~corporate efforts~~ to ~~establish key roles for each member of the Thirteen~~.		A '''"Powerful Robot"''' was featured in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon]]'s third season premiere, the five-episode arc [[Five Faces of Darkness]]. Created by the [[Quintesson]]s, the "Powerful Robot" became an instigator of the [[Autobot Rebellion]], only to be killed. This bot would be one of many Matrix Wielders seen by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] in the present-day of the cartoon. A few years later, the [[Marvel Comics continuity]] writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce a bot created as the "First Transformer", who also wielded the Creation Matrix to protect Cybertron from Unicron.<ref>[[The Primal Scream]]</ref> Four issues later, this bot would be properly introduced as Prima, solidifying the character's basic traits as a Matrix Wielder, "First Transformer", and warrior.<ref>[[Dark Creation]]</ref> Over two decades later, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' would retroactively declare the "Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character, to be Prima.

	~~His story begins not as~~ Prima~~, but as a '''"Powerful Robot"''' in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|Sunbow cartoon]]~~'s third season premiere, the five-episode arc [[Five Faces of Darkness]]. Created by the [[Quintesson]]s, the "Powerful Robot" became an instigator of the [[Autobot Rebellion]], only to be killed. This bot would be one of many Matrix Wielders seen by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] in the ~~present-day of the cartoon. A few years later, the [[~~Marvel Comics ~~continuity]] writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce a bot created as the "First Transformer"~~, who also wielded the Creation Matrix to protect Cybertron from Unicron.<ref>[[The Primal Scream]]</ref> Four issues later, this bot would be properly introduced as Prima, solidifying the character's basic traits as a Matrix Wielder, "First Transformer", and warrior.<ref>[[Dark Creation]]</ref>		After Prima's debut in the Marvel Comics, he would be forgotten for over a decade until [[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' brought together several of Simon Furman's creations (including [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]) as members of the "Thirteen Original Transformers", who battled Unicron. A few years later, [[Hasbro]] reintroduced him as part of the definitive ''Covenant'' roster of the Thirteen with new concept art drawn by [[Ken Christiansen]] for Hasbro's new [[Binder of Revelation\|brand bible]] in [[BotCon 2010]]. Prima's main [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]] would become a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], which had been introduced as a [[Mini-Con]] weapon in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)\|Armada]]'', with the Matrix being placed in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Given the title "Warrior of Light"<ref>[[BotCon 2010]] Panel - HASBRO DESIGNERS: https://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10hd.html</ref>, Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a noble warrior focused on establishing order and civilization, in contrast to the chaos he saw within Megatronus and Liege Maximo. Prima and Megatronus would clash often, with their feud playing a role in the skirmishes that took place in the [[War of the Primes]]. This feud would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]'s ''Ask Vector Prime''.

	~~Prima~~ would be forgotten for over a decade until [[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' brought together several of Simon Furman's creations (including [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]) as members of the "Thirteen Original Transformers", who battled Unicron. ~~The character would be forgotten again until [[2010]]~~, ~~when~~ [[Hasbro]] reintroduced him as part of the definitive ''Covenant'' roster of the Thirteen with new concept art drawn by [[Ken Christiansen]] for Hasbro's new [[Binder of Revelation\|brand bible]] in [[BotCon 2010]]. Prima's main [[Artifacts of the Primes\|artifact]] would become a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]], which had been introduced as a [[Mini-Con]] weapon in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)\|Armada]]'', with the Matrix being placed in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus\|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a noble warrior focused on establishing order and civilization, in contrast to the chaos he saw within Megatronus and Liege Maximo. Prima and Megatronus would clash often, with their feud playing a role in the skirmishes that took place in the [[War of the Primes]]. This feud would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and ~~''Ask Vector Prime''.~~

	~~With~~ the ~~"definitive" incarnation of Prima established, the 2010s would see a few retcons for Prima. ''~~[[Transformers ~~Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]~~'' would retroactively declare the "Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character, to be Prima. It would later be retconned that one of the [[Prime (rank)\|Primes]] in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|Revenge of the Fallen]]~~'' was also Prima{{fact\|According to the Trivia section of our Tales of the Fallen #4 page - but where~~'s ~~the source confirming this?}}. Meanwhile, the~~ ''~~[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]~~'' ~~toylines would give Prima a new title, "Warrior of Light", while ''Age of the Primes'' and the ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]'' film would rename him as Prima Prime~~.

			Prima would be featured in the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)\|Power of the Primes]]'' as Prima Prime, a name that would be reused in ''[[Transformers One (film)\|Transformers One]]''. ''One'' introduced an incarnation of the character who ''wasn't'' a Matrix wielder: that role would be given to the film's Thirteenth Prime, [[Zeta Prime (One)\|Zeta Prime]]. A few months after the film's release, the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes\|Age of the Primes]]'' would introduce the first proper toy for Prima Prime, amalgamating his ''Covenant'' and "Powerful Robot" designs together.
	==Note Concerning Main Picture==		==Note Concerning Main Picture==
	:Just as [[The Fallen]]'s main picture is being discussed being changed into the AOTP concept art design, we could consider changing Prima's main page into his AOTP concept art design - provided we can find a clean enough version without text over it. I'm not saying we should change it because it's the most recent design, but rather because it combines his "Powerful Robot" design with his "Aligned" design, serving as a more continuity-agnostic version. I think using AOTP pictures should only apply to Prima, The Fallen, ''maybe'' Alpha Trion, and ''maybe'' Liege Maximo, but the latter two will depend on what their toy designs look like. The rest should stick with their ''Covenant of Primus'' designs as the main pictures for now. --[[User:Daytonjhammon\|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon\|talk]]) 13:48, 26 January 2025 (EST)		:Just as [[The Fallen]]'s main picture is being discussed being changed into the AOTP concept art design, we could consider changing Prima's main page into his AOTP concept art design - provided we can find a clean enough version without text over it. I'm not saying we should change it because it's the most recent design, but rather because it combines his "Powerful Robot" design with his "Aligned" design, serving as a more continuity-agnostic version. I think using AOTP pictures should only apply to Prima, The Fallen, ''maybe'' Alpha Trion, and ''maybe'' Liege Maximo, but the latter two will depend on what their toy designs look like. The rest should stick with their ''Covenant of Primus'' designs as the main pictures for now. --[[User:Daytonjhammon\|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon\|talk]]) 13:48, 26 January 2025 (EST)

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[[File:Prima.jpg|thumb|upright=3|His legal name is Prima Prime, of the Primes created by Primus. It's quite the mouthful.]]
When the [[theomachy|war]] against [[Unicron]] was in stalemate, [[Primus]] created the first [[Transformer]]: '''Prima''' (aka '''Prima Prime'''). Appointed by his creator as a "Warrior of Light", Prima wields the legendary [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] sword into [[Expulsion of Unicron|battle]] with his fellow [[Thirteen|stewards]] of Primus' planetary form, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. His nature often brings him into conflict with his [[The Fallen|opposite]], fueling tensions that eventually explode into the [[War of the Primes]]. Eventually, Prima's [[Matrix of Leadership]], once attached to the Star Saber's hilt<ref>According to the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]] in "[[The Primal Scream|Primal Scream]]", Marvel US #61</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>, is relinquished and passed down to his eventual successor (and sometimes fellow member of the Thirteen): the [[Thirteenth Prime]].

It is uncertain what relationship Prima has, if any, to [[Primon]], another early Matrix bearer.

{{quote|We are '''Primus'''. We are '''Prima'''. We are '''Prime Nova'''. We are '''Sentinel Prime'''. We are '''Optimus Prime'''.|The essence of the Primes|"[[Dark Creation]]"}}

==Conceptual History==
The history of Prima's development is one full of brief appearances, retcons, and corporate efforts to establish key roles for each member of the Thirteen.

His story begins not as Prima, but as a '''"Powerful Robot"''' in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Sunbow cartoon]]'s third season premiere, the five-episode arc [[Five Faces of Darkness]]. Created by the [[Quintesson]]s, the "Powerful Robot" became an instigator of the [[Autobot Rebellion]], only to be killed. This bot would be one of many Matrix Wielders seen by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] in the present-day of the cartoon. A few years later, the [[Marvel Comics continuity]] writer [[Simon Furman]] would introduce a bot created as the "First Transformer", who also wielded the Creation Matrix to protect Cybertron from Unicron.<ref>[[The Primal Scream]]</ref> Four issues later, this bot would be properly introduced as Prima, solidifying the character's basic traits as a Matrix Wielder, "First Transformer", and warrior.<ref>[[Dark Creation]]</ref>

Prima would be forgotten for over a decade until [[2004]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' brought together several of Simon Furman's creations (including [[Liege Maximo]] and [[The Fallen]]) as members of the "Thirteen Original Transformers", who battled Unicron. The character would be forgotten again until [[2010]], when [[Hasbro]] reintroduced him as part of the definitive ''Covenant'' roster of the Thirteen with new concept art drawn by [[Ken Christiansen]] for Hasbro's new [[Binder of Revelation|brand bible]] in [[BotCon 2010]]. Prima's main [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] would become a new incarnation of the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]], which had been introduced as a [[Mini-Con]] weapon in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'', with the Matrix being placed in its hilt.<ref>''[[Transformers: Exodus|Exodus]]''</ref><ref>[[Nexus Prime]]'s bio in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30]]</ref>. Prima's personality would be fleshed out in [[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]'', establishing him as a noble warrior focused on establishing order and civilization, in contrast to the chaos he saw within Megatronus and Liege Maximo. Prima and Megatronus would clash often, with their feud playing a role in the skirmishes that took place in the [[War of the Primes]]. This feud would inform future characterizations of Prima in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] and ''Ask Vector Prime''.

With the "definitive" incarnation of Prima established, the 2010s would see a few retcons for Prima. ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' would retroactively declare the "Powerful Robot", previously considered a separate character, to be Prima. It would later be retconned that one of the [[Prime (rank)|Primes]] in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' was also Prima{{fact|According to the Trivia section of our Tales of the Fallen #4 page - but where's the source confirming this?}}. Meanwhile, the ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' toylines would give Prima a new title, "Warrior of Light", while ''Age of the Primes'' and the ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' film would rename him as Prima Prime.

==Note Concerning Main Picture==
:Just as [[The Fallen]]'s main picture is being discussed being changed into the AOTP concept art design, we could consider changing Prima's main page into his AOTP concept art design - provided we can find a clean enough version without text over it. I'm not saying we should change it because it's the most recent design, but rather because it combines his "Powerful Robot" design with his "Aligned" design, serving as a more continuity-agnostic version. I think using AOTP pictures should only apply to Prima, The Fallen, ''maybe'' Alpha Trion, and ''maybe'' Liege Maximo, but the latter two will depend on what their toy designs look like. The rest should stick with their ''Covenant of Primus'' designs as the main pictures for now. --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:48, 26 January 2025 (EST)