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Beast Wars vs Beast Era: removal of dead link from over a decade ago

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	:::* 70,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino\|BC]] — [[The Gathering issue 2\|''Beast Wars: The Gathering'' #2]] — (March, 2006)		:::* 70,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino\|BC]] — [[The Gathering issue 2\|''Beast Wars: The Gathering'' #2]] — (March, 2006)

	:::Each of these dates applies to a different [[continuity]] or "alternate dimension" within the Transformers Multiverse, so they do not ''conflict'' with one another. The Maximals and Predacons in those dimensions simply crashed at different times, but had otherwise identical adventures. (Generally with different events taking place 'offscreen' unique to each [[expanded continuity]].)		:::Each of these dates applies to a different [[continuity]] or "alternate dimension" within the Transformers Multiverse, so they do not ''conflict'' with one another. The Maximals and Predacons in those dimensions simply crashed at different times, but had otherwise identical adventures. (Generally with different events taking place 'offscreen' unique to each "expanded continuity".)

	:::Though Earth's geology and biology seen in the cartoon does not fit any single era, the loose "window" of 70,000–180,000 B.C. seems to represent two extremes that are "about right."		:::Though Earth's geology and biology seen in the cartoon does not fit any single era, the loose "window" of 70,000–180,000 B.C. seems to represent two extremes that are "about right."

Interrobang at 14:58, 10 April 2011

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	:::The Beast Wars' time period (like its exact location,<ref>Visual evidence suggests Northern Africa, but that would of course be impossible given some of the distances shown being covered on foot. (The main reason their location was left vague, thus, was a narrative one.)</ref>) was never established during the cartoon's original run. In the years ''after'' the cartoon ended several official dates have been given:		:::The Beast Wars' time period (like its exact location,<ref>Visual evidence suggests Northern Africa, but that would of course be impossible given some of the distances shown being covered on foot. (The main reason their location was left vague, thus, was a narrative one.)</ref>) was never established during the cartoon's original run. In the years ''after'' the cartoon ended several official dates have been given:

	:::* 3,000,000 years ago — [[Micromaster ~~Collection~~\|Reissue Sixtrain Booklet]]<ref>The Japanese dating of the events of Beast Wars as "3 Million Years Ago" appears to stem from mis-reading Optimus Primal's statement in the episode "[[Optimal Situation]]" that they would have four million years to "scrape Megatron off the walls" as a literal rather than figurative timeframe. Regardless, 3 million years is unquestionably 'correct' ''for'' ''[[Micromaster ~~Collection~~]]'' continuity... it was the age of wreckage discovered from that era.</ref> — (August, 2003)		:::* 3,000,000 years ago — [[The Transformers: Micromaster\|Reissue Sixtrain Booklet]]<ref>The Japanese dating of the events of Beast Wars as "3 Million Years Ago" appears to stem from mis-reading Optimus Primal's statement in the episode "[[Optimal Situation]]" that they would have four million years to "scrape Megatron off the walls" as a literal rather than figurative timeframe. Regardless, 3 million years is unquestionably 'correct' ''for'' ''[[The Transformers: Micromaster]]'' continuity... it was the age of wreckage discovered from that era.</ref> — (August, 2003)
	:::* 180,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino\|BC]] — "[[Primeval Dawn Part 2]]" — (July, 2004)		:::* 180,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino\|BC]] — "[[Primeval Dawn Part 2]]" — (July, 2004)
	:::* 70,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino\|BC]] — [[The Gathering issue 2\|''Beast Wars: The Gathering'' #2]] — (March, 2006)		:::* 70,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino\|BC]] — [[The Gathering issue 2\|''Beast Wars: The Gathering'' #2]] — (March, 2006)

Lonegamer78 at 19:43, 13 October 2010

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	== Beast Wars vs Beast Era ==		== Beast Wars vs Beast Era ==

110.33.216.191 at 13:50, 13 October 2010

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	:::: Thanks very much for explaining, it is certainly appreciated. May I suggest that the statement as written in the article is still sufficiently obscure/unclear (albeit technically accurate) to warrant slight rewriting/expansion to better illustrate the point, as you have now successfully explained it to me? I doubt I'm the first person to make either of my two successive false interpretations of what that sentence actually means.		:::: Thanks very much for explaining, it is certainly appreciated. May I suggest that the statement as written in the article is still sufficiently obscure/unclear (albeit technically accurate) to warrant slight rewriting/expansion to better illustrate the point, as you have now successfully explained it to me? I doubt I'm the first person to make either of my two successive false interpretations of what that sentence actually means.
	:::::Agreed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)		:::::Agreed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
			:: Thanks dude. Would you mind having a stab at it yourself? You clearly have a more comprehensive command of the material.

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	:::: Thanks very much for explaining, it is certainly appreciated. May I suggest that the statement as written in the article is still sufficiently obscure/unclear (albeit technically accurate) to warrant slight rewriting/expansion to better illustrate the point, as you have now successfully explained it to me? I doubt I'm the first person to make either of my two successive false interpretations of what that sentence actually means.		:::: Thanks very much for explaining, it is certainly appreciated. May I suggest that the statement as written in the article is still sufficiently obscure/unclear (albeit technically accurate) to warrant slight rewriting/expansion to better illustrate the point, as you have now successfully explained it to me? I doubt I'm the first person to make either of my two successive false interpretations of what that sentence actually means.
			:::::Agreed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

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	::Thus, the events of the Beast Wars are said to have occurred 3 million years ago, 180000 years ago, or 70000 years ago depending on the exact continuity being discussed. However, the Beast Era the characters originated from is ALWAYS ~300 years later than the destruction of Unicron. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:28, 13 October 2010 (EDT)		::Thus, the events of the Beast Wars are said to have occurred 3 million years ago, 180000 years ago, or 70000 years ago depending on the exact continuity being discussed. However, the Beast Era the characters originated from is ALWAYS ~300 years later than the destruction of Unicron. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:28, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

			:::: Aha! So, I was still wrong on all counts.
			:::: :-X
			:::: Thanks very much for explaining, it is certainly appreciated. May I suggest that the statement as written in the article is still sufficiently obscure/unclear (albeit technically accurate) to warrant slight rewriting/expansion to better illustrate the point, as you have now successfully explained it to me? I doubt I'm the first person to make either of my two successive false interpretations of what that sentence actually means.

Khajidha at 13:28, 13 October 2010

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	:I'm now actually pretty sure the latter is the original intent of the sentence, but as my confusion indicates, it is not a particularly clearly-expressed point.		:I'm now actually pretty sure the latter is the original intent of the sentence, but as my confusion indicates, it is not a particularly clearly-expressed point.
	:May I suggest and alternative phrasing to better clarify the issue?		:May I suggest and alternative phrasing to better clarify the issue?
			::From the [[Beast Wars (franchise)]] page
			:::==Prehistoric Earth==
			:::The Beast Wars' time period (like its exact location,<ref>Visual evidence suggests Northern Africa, but that would of course be impossible given some of the distances shown being covered on foot. (The main reason their location was left vague, thus, was a narrative one.)</ref>) was never established during the cartoon's original run. In the years ''after'' the cartoon ended several official dates have been given:

			:::* 3,000,000 years ago — [[Micromaster Collection\|Reissue Sixtrain Booklet]]<ref>The Japanese dating of the events of Beast Wars as "3 Million Years Ago" appears to stem from mis-reading Optimus Primal's statement in the episode "[[Optimal Situation]]" that they would have four million years to "scrape Megatron off the walls" as a literal rather than figurative timeframe. Regardless, 3 million years is unquestionably 'correct' ''for'' ''[[Micromaster Collection]]'' continuity... it was the age of wreckage discovered from that era.</ref> — (August, 2003)
			:::* 180,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino\|BC]] — "[[Primeval Dawn Part 2]]" — (July, 2004)
			:::* 70,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino\|BC]] — [[The Gathering issue 2\|''Beast Wars: The Gathering'' #2]] — (March, 2006)

			:::Each of these dates applies to a different [[continuity]] or "alternate dimension" within the Transformers Multiverse, so they do not ''conflict'' with one another. The Maximals and Predacons in those dimensions simply crashed at different times, but had otherwise identical adventures. (Generally with different events taking place 'offscreen' unique to each [[expanded continuity]].)

			:::Though Earth's geology and biology seen in the cartoon does not fit any single era, the loose "window" of 70,000–180,000 B.C. seems to represent two extremes that are "about right."

			::Thus, the events of the Beast Wars are said to have occurred 3 million years ago, 180000 years ago, or 70000 years ago depending on the exact continuity being discussed. However, the Beast Era the characters originated from is ALWAYS ~300 years later than the destruction of Unicron. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:28, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

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	The "Beast Wars" is the battle between Optimus Primal's Maximals and Megatron's Predacons that occurred on prehistoric Earth. The Beast Era is the native time era of those characters. The distinction is, perhaps, not made clear in the sentence that you changed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:02, 13 October 2010 (EDT)		The "Beast Wars" is the battle between Optimus Primal's Maximals and Megatron's Predacons that occurred on prehistoric Earth. The Beast Era is the native time era of those characters. The distinction is, perhaps, not made clear in the sentence that you changed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:02, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

			:Thanks, however, while I do understand the difference between the Beast Wars and the overall Beast Era, it seems to me that the period that is described as taking place over a variable 3-ish million years is surely supposed to be the Great War depicted earlier in the G1 timeline by the G1 franchise (to make a similar distinction), rather than the Beast Era/Wars, which is how that part of the sentence originally read. As originally written, the sentence appeared to be vaguely contradictory, unless what you mean is that the overall conflict between Primal and Megatron's Beast Warriors (The Beast Wars) are look place ACROSS a 3 million year period DUE TO TIME TRAVEL, as distinct from the date of the "native" beast era being 300 years after G1?
			:I'm now actually pretty sure the latter is the original intent of the sentence, but as my confusion indicates, it is not a particularly clearly-expressed point.
			:May I suggest and alternative phrasing to better clarify the issue?

Khajidha: Beast Wars vs Beast Era

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== Beast Wars vs Beast Era ==

The "Beast Wars" is the battle between Optimus Primal's Maximals and Megatron's Predacons that occurred on prehistoric Earth. The Beast Era is the native time era of those characters. The distinction is, perhaps, not made clear in the sentence that you changed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:02, 13 October 2010 (EDT)