User talk:Geewunling/Futurama - Revision history

Interrobang at 13:17, 28 January 2012

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	::::I'm somewhere in the middle with Detour: while many of these minor mentions could be pages, there hasn't been a direct mention of Futurama so it shouldn't have a page of its own here. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:35, 11 August 2011 (EDT)		::::I'm somewhere in the middle with Detour: while many of these minor mentions could be pages, there hasn't been a direct mention of Futurama so it shouldn't have a page of its own here. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:35, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

	:::::I don't think you guys realize how much things on this wiki are (or were, before the Almanacs reused them) here just because somebody mentioned it in a throwaway line or they showed up once ([[E'~~Brutoc~~]], [[Frijoles]], [[Xal]], [[Jabbi-Ko]], [[Orga]], [[Ciech]], [[Airachnid's specimens]], etc., etc.). The resistance against those that just happen to be references is silly. All that should concern us is whether they exist in the Transformers brand; drawing a line in the sand about who gets in the article club is pointless and wastes our time.		:::::I don't think you guys realize how much things on this wiki are (or were, before the Almanacs reused them) here just because somebody mentioned it in a throwaway line or they showed up once ([[E'brutoc]], [[Frijoles]], [[Xal]], [[Jabbi-Ko]], [[Orga]], [[Ciech]], [[Airachnid's specimens]], etc., etc.). The resistance against those that just happen to be references is silly. All that should concern us is whether they exist in the Transformers brand; drawing a line in the sand about who gets in the article club is pointless and wastes our time.

	:::::On-topic: I don't think articles like this should exist. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:44, 11 August 2011 (EDT)		:::::On-topic: I don't think articles like this should exist. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:44, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

Geewunling: Talk:Futurama moved to User talk:Geewunling/Futurama: Cuz people hates it. Might be worth preservinf for now though, at least the talk page.

2011-08-13T06:52:01Z

Talk:Futurama moved to User talk:Geewunling/Futurama: Cuz people hates it. Might be worth preservinf for now though, at least the talk page.

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Jimsorenson: /* Proposal attempt #3 or 4 */

2011-08-13T02:32:11Z

Proposal attempt #3 or 4

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	:::The thing is, GIJoe, Visionairies, Inhumanoids and Brave share much more with Transformers than just a few easter eggs. Visionairies was the backup strip in Marvel UK's Transformers comic for a time, Inhumanoids was directly pointed out in Allspark Almanac in reference to both the G1 cartoon in Animated, and the Inhumanoids actually did something in Shattered Glass. Brave is a close cousin to Transformers that featured numerous retools of Transformers toys and further influenced Transformers. GIJoe regularly crosses over with Transformers. All Futurama has are a few easter eggs that do not reference the franchise or its characters directly. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 17:56, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		:::The thing is, GIJoe, Visionairies, Inhumanoids and Brave share much more with Transformers than just a few easter eggs. Visionairies was the backup strip in Marvel UK's Transformers comic for a time, Inhumanoids was directly pointed out in Allspark Almanac in reference to both the G1 cartoon in Animated, and the Inhumanoids actually did something in Shattered Glass. Brave is a close cousin to Transformers that featured numerous retools of Transformers toys and further influenced Transformers. GIJoe regularly crosses over with Transformers. All Futurama has are a few easter eggs that do not reference the franchise or its characters directly. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 17:56, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
	::::We've been very lenient with this article. I vote for deletion. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 22:06, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		::::We've been very lenient with this article. I vote for deletion. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 22:06, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

			==Archive==
			I suggest that, if the page gets deleted, which the community is leaning towards, this talk gets ported over to the community portal. It addresses larger issues than just the fate of this page.--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 22:32, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000: /* Proposal attempt #3 or 4 */

2011-08-13T02:06:19Z

Proposal attempt #3 or 4

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	::Another way this kind of page is helpful is that it lessens the links to wikipedia, thus stuff like page moves and content changes are better monitored and have less influence on the up to dateness of the tfwiki. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 17:48, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		::Another way this kind of page is helpful is that it lessens the links to wikipedia, thus stuff like page moves and content changes are better monitored and have less influence on the up to dateness of the tfwiki. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 17:48, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
	:::The thing is, GIJoe, Visionairies, Inhumanoids and Brave share much more with Transformers than just a few easter eggs. Visionairies was the backup strip in Marvel UK's Transformers comic for a time, Inhumanoids was directly pointed out in Allspark Almanac in reference to both the G1 cartoon in Animated, and the Inhumanoids actually did something in Shattered Glass. Brave is a close cousin to Transformers that featured numerous retools of Transformers toys and further influenced Transformers. GIJoe regularly crosses over with Transformers. All Futurama has are a few easter eggs that do not reference the franchise or its characters directly. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 17:56, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		:::The thing is, GIJoe, Visionairies, Inhumanoids and Brave share much more with Transformers than just a few easter eggs. Visionairies was the backup strip in Marvel UK's Transformers comic for a time, Inhumanoids was directly pointed out in Allspark Almanac in reference to both the G1 cartoon in Animated, and the Inhumanoids actually did something in Shattered Glass. Brave is a close cousin to Transformers that featured numerous retools of Transformers toys and further influenced Transformers. GIJoe regularly crosses over with Transformers. All Futurama has are a few easter eggs that do not reference the franchise or its characters directly. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 17:56, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
			::::We've been very lenient with this article. I vote for deletion. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 22:06, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

Detour: /* Proposal attempt #3 or 4 */

2011-08-12T21:56:10Z

Proposal attempt #3 or 4

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	::The way this page and the proposed page helps and could help is that, as can be seen from most above, people would be okay with this page (if perhaps formatted differently) if only ''Futurama'' had been name checked. Ergo, the page is "helpful" (as much as any other page is), but there's only a tiny bureaucratic detail getting in the way that can be solved with a standard procedure for "nameless" things.		::The way this page and the proposed page helps and could help is that, as can be seen from most above, people would be okay with this page (if perhaps formatted differently) if only ''Futurama'' had been name checked. Ergo, the page is "helpful" (as much as any other page is), but there's only a tiny bureaucratic detail getting in the way that can be solved with a standard procedure for "nameless" things.
	::Another way this kind of page is helpful is that it lessens the links to wikipedia, thus stuff like page moves and content changes are better monitored and have less influence on the up to dateness of the tfwiki. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 17:48, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		::Another way this kind of page is helpful is that it lessens the links to wikipedia, thus stuff like page moves and content changes are better monitored and have less influence on the up to dateness of the tfwiki. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 17:48, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
			:::The thing is, GIJoe, Visionairies, Inhumanoids and Brave share much more with Transformers than just a few easter eggs. Visionairies was the backup strip in Marvel UK's Transformers comic for a time, Inhumanoids was directly pointed out in Allspark Almanac in reference to both the G1 cartoon in Animated, and the Inhumanoids actually did something in Shattered Glass. Brave is a close cousin to Transformers that featured numerous retools of Transformers toys and further influenced Transformers. GIJoe regularly crosses over with Transformers. All Futurama has are a few easter eggs that do not reference the franchise or its characters directly. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 17:56, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

Geewunling at 21:48, 12 August 2011

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	:For one thing, the opening paragragh is written out-of-universe, which sits uneasily with me. I'd rather we waited until it reads something like: "Futurama is a TV show that Fat Geoff the Barman likes to watch. Fiction: At the Smokey Grey Old Tavern in Resurrection Valley, Texas, Fat Geoff told his buddy how much he was enjoying the re-runs of Futurama lately, and how Bender was his favourite because he loved robots. Seconds later, when Fortress Maximus and Flywheels smashed through the wall of his bar, he realised he didn't like robots quite so much." and then in the Notes below, we say "Futurama is of course the highly successful show..." --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 16:15, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		:For one thing, the opening paragragh is written out-of-universe, which sits uneasily with me. I'd rather we waited until it reads something like: "Futurama is a TV show that Fat Geoff the Barman likes to watch. Fiction: At the Smokey Grey Old Tavern in Resurrection Valley, Texas, Fat Geoff told his buddy how much he was enjoying the re-runs of Futurama lately, and how Bender was his favourite because he loved robots. Seconds later, when Fortress Maximus and Flywheels smashed through the wall of his bar, he realised he didn't like robots quite so much." and then in the Notes below, we say "Futurama is of course the highly successful show..." --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 16:15, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

			::We got ''[[Inhumanoids]]'', ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)\|G.I. Joe]]'' and ''[[Brave (franchise)\|Brave]]'' as franchise pages that do not attempt to be in-continuity with anything TF canon, but highlight the relationship between the two franchises. That was what I was going for with this page, though more minimally.
			::I find the idea of having to wait making a page that has, apparently, every right to be made except for a name check to be... well, isn't that what we have the nameless templates for? So we can have a page on a subject without a(n official) name? And since there is no funny description to make a principle-joke title out of, like fire snorting lizard, the actual name is the best choice after.
			::The way this page and the proposed page helps and could help is that, as can be seen from most above, people would be okay with this page (if perhaps formatted differently) if only ''Futurama'' had been name checked. Ergo, the page is "helpful" (as much as any other page is), but there's only a tiny bureaucratic detail getting in the way that can be solved with a standard procedure for "nameless" things.
			::Another way this kind of page is helpful is that it lessens the links to wikipedia, thus stuff like page moves and content changes are better monitored and have less influence on the up to dateness of the tfwiki. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 17:48, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

Emvee: /* Proposal attempt #3 or 4 */

2011-08-12T20:15:06Z

Proposal attempt #3 or 4

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	Yeah, moving this out of M Sipher's and Interrobang's little catfight: I get that people are against this page as it currently is because of the doors it opens. Would it be a solution to ditch the continuity headers and turn the page into a section of a bigger page dealing with the largest external franchises that have been referenced in/influenced TF fiction? Or rather, what would be objectionable about it? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 14:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		Yeah, moving this out of M Sipher's and Interrobang's little catfight: I get that people are against this page as it currently is because of the doors it opens. Would it be a solution to ditch the continuity headers and turn the page into a section of a bigger page dealing with the largest external franchises that have been referenced in/influenced TF fiction? Or rather, what would be objectionable about it? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 14:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
	:What, exactly, is the point of this page and the proposed bigger page? "These things are popular so they get referenced in this franchise"? Or, in Old Lady Job Justification Hearing parlance, "How does this ''help''?". --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 14:55, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		:What, exactly, is the point of this page and the proposed bigger page? "These things are popular so they get referenced in this franchise"? Or, in Old Lady Job Justification Hearing parlance, "How does this ''help''?". --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 14:55, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
			:FWIW, from the examples above, I think Shakespeare fits the bill best. G1 Galvatron, BW Megatron and Dinobot, RID Skybyte, G1 Megatron and Angry Archer all quote or paraphrase him - yet since he's never mentioned by name, he lives in "Items of note" or "Real World References". It's notable that there's a reference, but until someone says "Shakespeare" in a Transformers universe somewhere, or there's a screengrab or comic panel of a character holding a book with his name on it - like with Verity and Tennyson in Wreckers - he shouldn't get a page. For all we know, in the TF universe there's a Shakespearebot on Cybertron who wrote all the plays, like the Klingons did in Star Trek ;) I think we should treat Futurama the same way - pages like the Omacronians should have a note linking to the Wikipedia page, but until someone in an IDW comic says "I was up all night watching Futurama re-runs" then it doesn't get a page.

			:For one thing, the opening paragragh is written out-of-universe, which sits uneasily with me. I'd rather we waited until it reads something like: "Futurama is a TV show that Fat Geoff the Barman likes to watch. Fiction: At the Smokey Grey Old Tavern in Resurrection Valley, Texas, Fat Geoff told his buddy how much he was enjoying the re-runs of Futurama lately, and how Bender was his favourite because he loved robots. Seconds later, when Fortress Maximus and Flywheels smashed through the wall of his bar, he realised he didn't like robots quite so much." and then in the Notes below, we say "Futurama is of course the highly successful show..." --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] 16:15, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

M Sipher: /* Proposal attempt #3 or 4 */

2011-08-12T18:56:16Z

Proposal attempt #3 or 4

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	==Proposal attempt #3 or 4==		==Proposal attempt #3 or 4==
	Yeah, moving this out of M Sipher's and Interrobang's little catfight: I get that people are against this page as it currently is because of the doors it opens. Would it be a solution to ditch the continuity headers and turn the page into a section of a bigger page dealing with the largest external franchises that have been referenced in/influenced TF fiction? Or rather, what would be objectionable about it? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 14:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		Yeah, moving this out of M Sipher's and Interrobang's little catfight: I get that people are against this page as it currently is because of the doors it opens. Would it be a solution to ditch the continuity headers and turn the page into a section of a bigger page dealing with the largest external franchises that have been referenced in/influenced TF fiction? Or rather, what would be objectionable about it? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 14:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
	:What, exactly, is the point of the page? "These things are popular so they get referenced in this franchise"? Or, in Old Lady Job Justification Hearing parlance, "How does this ''help''?". --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 14:55, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		:What, exactly, is the point of this page and the proposed bigger page? "These things are popular so they get referenced in this franchise"? Or, in Old Lady Job Justification Hearing parlance, "How does this ''help''?". --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 14:55, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

M Sipher: /* Proposal attempt #3 or 4 */

2011-08-12T18:55:12Z

Proposal attempt #3 or 4

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	==Proposal attempt #3 or 4==		==Proposal attempt #3 or 4==
	Yeah, moving this out of M Sipher's and Interrobang's little catfight: I get that people are against this page as it currently is because of the doors it opens. Would it be a solution to ditch the continuity headers and turn the page into a section of a bigger page dealing with the largest external franchises that have been referenced in/influenced TF fiction? Or rather, what would be objectionable about it? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 14:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		Yeah, moving this out of M Sipher's and Interrobang's little catfight: I get that people are against this page as it currently is because of the doors it opens. Would it be a solution to ditch the continuity headers and turn the page into a section of a bigger page dealing with the largest external franchises that have been referenced in/influenced TF fiction? Or rather, what would be objectionable about it? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 14:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
			:What, exactly, is the point of the page? "These things are popular so they get referenced in this franchise"? Or, in Old Lady Job Justification Hearing parlance, "How does this ''help''?". --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 14:55, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

Geewunling at 18:31, 12 August 2011

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	::::::::Aye.		::::::::Aye.
	::::::::If the page got deleted, perhaps we can simply move it as the creator as an user subpage, so the history can be preserved. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:00, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		::::::::If the page got deleted, perhaps we can simply move it as the creator as an user subpage, so the history can be preserved. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:00, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

			==Proposal attempt #3 or 4==
			Yeah, moving this out of M Sipher's and Interrobang's little catfight: I get that people are against this page as it currently is because of the doors it opens. Would it be a solution to ditch the continuity headers and turn the page into a section of a bigger page dealing with the largest external franchises that have been referenced in/influenced TF fiction? Or rather, what would be objectionable about it? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 14:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

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	::Another way this kind of page is helpful is that it lessens the links to wikipedia, thus stuff like page moves and content changes are better monitored and have less influence on the up to dateness of the tfwiki. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 17:48, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		::Another way this kind of page is helpful is that it lessens the links to wikipedia, thus stuff like page moves and content changes are better monitored and have less influence on the up to dateness of the tfwiki. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 17:48, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
	:::The thing is, GIJoe, Visionairies, Inhumanoids and Brave share much more with Transformers than just a few easter eggs. Visionairies was the backup strip in Marvel UK's Transformers comic for a time, Inhumanoids was directly pointed out in Allspark Almanac in reference to both the G1 cartoon in Animated, and the Inhumanoids actually did something in Shattered Glass. Brave is a close cousin to Transformers that featured numerous retools of Transformers toys and further influenced Transformers. GIJoe regularly crosses over with Transformers. All Futurama has are a few easter eggs that do not reference the franchise or its characters directly. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 17:56, 12 August 2011 (EDT)		:::The thing is, GIJoe, Visionairies, Inhumanoids and Brave share much more with Transformers than just a few easter eggs. Visionairies was the backup strip in Marvel UK's Transformers comic for a time, Inhumanoids was directly pointed out in Allspark Almanac in reference to both the G1 cartoon in Animated, and the Inhumanoids actually did something in Shattered Glass. Brave is a close cousin to Transformers that featured numerous retools of Transformers toys and further influenced Transformers. GIJoe regularly crosses over with Transformers. All Futurama has are a few easter eggs that do not reference the franchise or its characters directly. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 17:56, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
			::::We've been very lenient with this article. I vote for deletion. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 22:06, 12 August 2011 (EDT)