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Bah, characters without names, what a pain!
'''''Bah, things without names, what a pain!'''''


Most of the time, they're nameless spear-carriers you can just ignore, but sometimes they do something important enough (or are in themselves interesting for some reason) and they need an article. So what do you call them? [[Unnamed Autobot|Unnamed Autobot #25]] is...sucky.
Often, things that are nameless, be they characters, locations, vehicles, objects or concepts, can simply be ignored. Yet sometimes they have the needed significance that warrants an article of their own or as a group. The {{SITENAME}} tends to be rather permissive of the arguments in favor of an article, as pages such as [[Frijoles]] and [[Blackrock Gold Priority Card]] prove. As such, there is a lot of material that ''could'' have an article, but first needs to be given an appropriate page location that at the same time does not leave the impression it's the subject's official name or term. So what do you call the page? "Unnamed Autobot #25" is... sucky.


==Template==
==Templates==
Be sure to attach the proper template '''<nowiki>{{noname}}</nowiki>''' to the top of the article. {{SITENAME_SHORT}} distinguishes between four levels of "namelessness."
Be sure to attach the proper template '''<nowiki>{{noname}}</nowiki>''' to the top of the article. {{SITENAME_SHORT}} distinguishes between four levels of "namelessness."


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
||'''<tt><nowiki>{{noname}}</nowiki></tt>'''
||'''<tt>{{tl|noname}}</tt>'''
||A generic "No name" template. This template should ''only be used as a placeholder'' before shorting the character into a more specific category.
||A generic "No name" template. This template should ''only be used as a placeholder'' before sorting the character into a more specific category.
|width="500"|
|width="500"|
{{noname}}
{| class="plainlinks" width="100%"
|-
|-
||'''<tt><nowiki>{{noname-unconfirmed}}</nowiki></tt>'''
|style="padding-left: 2em;"|[[Image:Anon_rescueforcejet.png|70px|Who am I?  Who AM I?  *sob*"]]
||No name has been ''officially established'', but <u>a</u> name is nevertheless ''known.'' (Almost exclusively [[Shattered Glass]] characters.)
|valign="bottom" width="100%"|
'''Example:''' [[Cyclonus (Shattered Glass)]]
{| align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"
||{{noname-unconfirmed}}
|- bgcolor="#efefff"
||'''This article is about a character or concept that has no name.'''
|- bgcolor="#efefff"
|| <small>''For more information see [[Help:Nameless]].''</small>
|}
|}
|-
||'''<tt>{{tl|noname-unconfirmed}}</tt>'''
||No name has been ''officially established'', but <u>a</u> name is nevertheless ''known.'' (Almost exclusively ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' characters.)
'''Example:''' [[Dropshot (SG)]]
||
{| class="plainlinks" width="100%"
|-
|style="padding-left: 2em;"|[[Image:Anon SGDropshot.jpg|50px|Who am I? Who AM I? *sob*]]
|valign="bottom" width="100%"|
{| align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"
|- bgcolor="#efefff"
||'''This article is about a character or concept whose name has never been officially confirmed.'''
|- bgcolor="#efefff"
|| <small>''For more information see [[Help:Nameless]].''</small>
|}
|}
|-
||'''<tt>{{tl|noname-designation}}</tt>'''
||Lacks a name, but has an official designation.  (Either an in-fiction non-name title, or an internal designation.)  '''Examples:''' [[El Presidente|el Presidente]], [[Giant fake Autobot]]
||
{| class="plainlinks" width="100%"
|-
|style="padding-left: 2em;"|[[Image:Paradron_communicator_NoName.png‎|50px|]]
|valign="bottom" width="100%"|
{| align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"
|- bgcolor="#efefff"
||'''This article is about a character or concept that lacks a name, but has an official term or designation.'''
|- bgcolor="#efefff"
|| <small>''For more information see [[Help:Nameless]].''</small>
|}
|}
|-
|-
||'''<tt><nowiki>{{noname-designation}}</nowiki></tt>'''
||'''<tt>{{tl|noname-nickname}}</tt>'''
||Lacks a name, but has an official designation. (Either an in-fiction non-name title, or an internal designation.'''Examples:''' [[El Presidente|el Presidente]], [[New Narrator]], [[Giant Decepticon Warrior]]
||Things lacking ''any'' specific term at all. A description or nickname may be used.
||{{noname-designation}}
'''Examples:''' [[Big Red (G1)|Big Red]]
||
{| class="plainlinks" width="100%"
|-
|-
||'''<tt><nowiki>{{noname-nickname}}</nowiki></tt>'''
|style="padding-left: 2em;"|[[Image:Big Red NoName.png‎|50px|Hey, um... hey you!]]
||Characters lacking ''any'' specific term at all.  A description or nickname may be used.
|valign="bottom" width="100%"|
'''Examples:''' [[Big Red]], [[Female Autobots|Green Female Autobot]]
{| align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"
||{{noname-nickname}}
|- bgcolor="#efefff"
||'''This article is about a character or concept which lacks any official name or designation.'''
|- bgcolor="#efefff"
|| <small>''For more information see [[Help:Nameless]].''</small>
|}
|}
|}
|}


This template unambiguously points out the character's lack of name right up at the top of the article.
This template unambiguously points out the subject's lack of name right up at the top of the article.


==Naming convention==
==Naming convention==
{{SITENAME_SHORT}} does '''not''' allow [[Fanon|fanon]] names to be used for nameless characters.
{{SITENAME_SHORT}} does '''not''' allow [[fanon]] names to be used for nameless stuff.


The best names are simple and descriptive, such as [[Piano Transformer guy]]. If the best description you can give isn't very distinctive, like [[Orange jet Autobot]], it might be more appropriate to put the character in an "Associated Characters" section of a more distinctive character with whom they appeared.  (Though not a main character, as that would get confusing.)
The best names are simple and descriptive, such as [[hideous giant brain guy]]. If the best description that can be given isn't very distinctive, like [[Padlock (Energon)#Orange jet Autobot|Orange jet Autobot]], it might be more appropriate to incorporate the subject in the article of a related, distinctive subject as a near-final section, with a header like "Associated Characters". Whether this is possible depends on the qualities of the main article. Imagine that an "associated character" appeared only a handful of times while the main character appeared constantly across three different continuities; Putting information on an "associated character" on a lengthy and diverse page would only be messy and confusing.


Finally, a to-the-point nickname can be used if a descriptive name proves too complicated. "That red and green Autobot who looks like Fortress Maximus but is the size of a normal Autobot," is kinda a mouthful, but [[Christmas Maximus]] (a reference to his distinctive color scheme) is just about right. <u>Nicknames that could be confused with real names are not appropriate.</u>
Finally, a to-the-point nickname can be used if a descriptive name proves too complicated. "That red and green Autobot who looks like Fortress Maximus but is the size of a normal Autobot," is kinda a mouthful, but [[Peritus Maximus|Christmas Maximus]] (a reference to his distinctive color scheme) is just about right. <u>Nicknames that could be confused with real names are not appropriate.</u>


=="But he's obviously..."==
=="But he's obviously..."==
[[Image:Linkage5-PreEarth.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
[[Image:Linkage5-PreEarth.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
The appearance of [[Flat-Out]] and [[Redline]]'s Decepticon masters in [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage]] (Armada) is based on [[Generation 1]] [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] and [[Misfire]].  However, it is never correct to assume that these characters are ''called'' Slugslinger and Misfire.  After all, the [[Downshift (Energon)|guy who looks just like Wheeljack]] isn't named (or even remotely like) Wheeljack.  And a [[Ravenus|dead ringer for Swoop]] is instead named "Ravenus."
The appearance of [[Flat-Out (Armada)|Flat-Out]] and [[Redline]]'s Decepticon masters in [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage]] (Armada) is based on ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] and [[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]].  However, it is never correct to assume that these characters are ''called'' Slugslinger and Misfire.  After all, the [[Downshift (Energon)|guy who looks just like Wheeljack]] isn't named (or even remotely like) Wheeljack.  And a [[Ravenus|dead ringer for Swoop]] is instead named "Ravenus."


In fact, while characters ''actually'' named [[Slugslinger (Energon)|Slugslinger]], [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]], and [[Swoop (Energon)|Swoop]] all exist in the Unicron Trilogy, ''none'' of them appear to be related to their G1-homage lookalikes.  It is possible (and in fact common) to pay [[Homage|homage]] to a character's appearance without actually ''being'' that character, so automatically assuming that a lookalike in a different universe is the same character doesn't make a lot of sense.
In fact, while characters ''actually'' named [[Slugslinger (Energon)|Slugslinger]], [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]], and [[Swoop (Energon)|Swoop]] all exist in the Unicron Trilogy, ''none'' of them appear to be related to their G1-homage lookalikes.  It is possible (and in fact common) to pay [[Homage|homage]] to a character's appearance without actually ''being'' that character, so automatically assuming that a lookalike in a different universe is the same character doesn't make a lot of sense.
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[[Category:Help]]
[[Category:Help]]
[[Category:Nameless_characters]]

Latest revision as of 23:50, 19 January 2024

Bah, things without names, what a pain!

Often, things that are nameless, be they characters, locations, vehicles, objects or concepts, can simply be ignored. Yet sometimes they have the needed significance that warrants an article of their own or as a group. The MediaWiki tends to be rather permissive of the arguments in favor of an article, as pages such as Frijoles and Blackrock Gold Priority Card prove. As such, there is a lot of material that could have an article, but first needs to be given an appropriate page location that at the same time does not leave the impression it's the subject's official name or term. So what do you call the page? "Unnamed Autobot #25" is... sucky.

Templates

Be sure to attach the proper template {{noname}} to the top of the article. TFWiki.net distinguishes between four levels of "namelessness."

{{noname}} A generic "No name" template. This template should only be used as a placeholder before sorting the character into a more specific category.
{{noname-unconfirmed}} No name has been officially established, but a name is nevertheless known. (Almost exclusively Shattered Glass characters.)

Example: Dropshot (SG)

{{noname-designation}} Lacks a name, but has an official designation. (Either an in-fiction non-name title, or an internal designation.) Examples: el Presidente, Giant fake Autobot
{{noname-nickname}} Things lacking any specific term at all. A description or nickname may be used.

Examples: Big Red

This template unambiguously points out the subject's lack of name right up at the top of the article.

Naming convention

TFWiki.net does not allow fanon names to be used for nameless stuff.

The best names are simple and descriptive, such as hideous giant brain guy. If the best description that can be given isn't very distinctive, like Orange jet Autobot, it might be more appropriate to incorporate the subject in the article of a related, distinctive subject as a near-final section, with a header like "Associated Characters". Whether this is possible depends on the qualities of the main article. Imagine that an "associated character" appeared only a handful of times while the main character appeared constantly across three different continuities; Putting information on an "associated character" on a lengthy and diverse page would only be messy and confusing.

Finally, a to-the-point nickname can be used if a descriptive name proves too complicated. "That red and green Autobot who looks like Fortress Maximus but is the size of a normal Autobot," is kinda a mouthful, but Christmas Maximus (a reference to his distinctive color scheme) is just about right. Nicknames that could be confused with real names are not appropriate.

"But he's obviously..."

The appearance of Flat-Out and Redline's Decepticon masters in Linkage (Armada) is based on Generation 1 Slugslinger and Misfire. However, it is never correct to assume that these characters are called Slugslinger and Misfire. After all, the guy who looks just like Wheeljack isn't named (or even remotely like) Wheeljack. And a dead ringer for Swoop is instead named "Ravenus."

In fact, while characters actually named Slugslinger, Wheeljack, and Swoop all exist in the Unicron Trilogy, none of them appear to be related to their G1-homage lookalikes. It is possible (and in fact common) to pay homage to a character's appearance without actually being that character, so automatically assuming that a lookalike in a different universe is the same character doesn't make a lot of sense.

Thus our policy above: Descriptions or nicknames used to refer to unnamed characters should not be something it is possible to confuse with a real name.