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drafting [[Springer_(G1)/toys#Voyager]] and [[Sandstorm_(G1)#Voyager]] because Nick Roche dropped designer insight two years ago and no one noticed
[[File:TF2023_Cybertron_History.jpg|thumb|right|200px|It's time you learned where I really come from.]]


====''Thrilling 30''====
Welcome to my sandbox. Lots of things in progress, may not publish some others awaiting peer review because i always want a second set of eyes before something goes gold.
[[File:Generationstoy-VoyagerSpringer.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''There'' we go!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Springer''' (Voyager Class, [[2013]])}}</ul>
:*''Series / Number'': '''02 / 001'''
:*''Accessories'': dual missile launcher, two missiles, rotor blades/sword
:*''Known designers'': [[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)
:Part of the third wave of [[2012]]-[[2013]] ''Generations'' Voyager Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' "Autobot Springer" is a Triple Changer, transforming into both an armored car and a helicopter, and is a redeco and heavy [[retool]] of Voyager [[Sandstorm (G1)#Voyager|Sandstorm]]. Yup, you read that right. Sandstorm was designed first, then Hasbro turned him into Springer based on [[Nick Roche]]'s design of the character from ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'',<ref name="SandstormShotFirst">{{citesocial|quote=To clear up: I was working with Hasbro at the time, and designed Sandstorm while I was there. That was the base design, and then those crazy sods at Hasbro managed to pull my comic Springer out of it. In that order!|link=https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/1597658869521854464 |site=Twitter |name=Nick Roche|year=2022|month=11|day=29}}</ref> and then released him a wave before Sandstorm released.


:'''REWRITE THIS PART, NEEDS CLOUD RODIMUS'''
====Cliffjumper '''DIES'''====
Wanna update https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Myths#Other because IDW 2019 #28 previews had people think Cliffjumper died again when it was a simulation. WIP obv
* '''Cliffjumper dies in every ''Transformers'' series he appears in, or is part of a franchise-wide running gag where he is killed over and over again.'''


:His helicopter rotors detach to transform into a sword that is held by his hands via 5 mm post, and can store underneath his car mode or on his back in robot mode. He also comes with a dual missile launcher that fires its two missiles in succession via a two-step pressure launch. The launcher features a jointed 5mm handle to allow it to pivot, and can mount underneath the helicopter cockpit. He has two 5 mm ports on his back, the sword hilt has an additional post, and the launcher has additional ports at the top and bottom. There are reports that the second 5 mm port on his back is incorrectly sized and the rotor of his helicopter mode can't be correctly plugged into it the way the picture shows. Springer's head is also ''extremely'' prone to detaching when being switched between robot and vehicle mode.
[[File:Transformers2-Cliffjumper.jpg|thumb|right|I lived, bitch!]]


:This mold served as the basis of the non-toy ''Beast Wars: Uprising'' incarnations of [[Dinobot (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Dynobot]] and [[Grimlock (G1)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Grimlock]].
: The [[Darkness Rising, Part 1|series premiere]] of ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' is well-remembered for its opening act, in which [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] brutally kills [[Cliffjumper (WFC)|Cliffjumper]]. Several years later, [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] made a prominent appearance in 2018's ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' film, where he is tortured and killed by the Decepticons [[Shatter]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]]. By sheer coincidence, [[Cliffjumper (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Cliffjumper]] had recently perished in [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s concurrent ''[[Transformers: Unicron|Unicron]]'' miniseries; from these data points (sometimes adding in the fate of his [[Cliffjumper (SG)|mirror-universe self]] in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' and a brief cameo in ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|Siege]]'' that leaves his fate uncertain), some fans have extrapolated the idea that Cliffjumper must "always" die in ''Transformers'' stories, or that writers have somehow singled him out to die over and over again for the sake of comedy, not unlike the perpetually unlucky [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].  


:The truth of the matter is a bit more nuanced. Named ''Transformers'' characters die all the time—across different works of ''Transformers'' fiction, characters named "[[Wheeljack (disambiguation)|Wheeljack]]" and "[[Blurr (disambiguation)|Blurr]]" have died just as often as Cliffjumper, and Bumblebee himself has died or otherwise suffered terminal damage onscreen just as often as Cliffjumper! Some of Cliffjumper's deaths were part of climactic "massacre" storylines that killed off dozens of named characters; his appearances in ''Bumblebee'' and ''Siege'' probably came down to the fact that it was easier to finagle another pre-existing character from their limited pool of robot parts by simply recoloring Bumblebee's pre-existing CGI model, rather than any kind of ulterior commentary on the character.


:'''END PART THAT NEEDS REWRITING'''
:In contemporary comics, Cliffjumper spent years as the POV character in [[Fun Publications]]' ''Shattered Glass'' comics; more recently, he got an entire two-part adventure to himself in 2020's ''[[Transformers: Galaxies]]'' series, where he turned out just fine. However, for a brief moment when the main [[Transformers (2019 comic)|IDW 2019 comic series]] released the first few pages of issue [[War World: Hunt|number 28]] to promote its release, said pages depicted Cliffjumper being hunted down and killed, leading to fans believing he's dead yet again<ref>Transformers News - TFW2005[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/idw-solicitations-march-2021.1205678/page-5#post-18845856 IDW’s Transformers (2019) Comic Series: Issue #28 iTunes Preview]</ref> when in the full issue (nay, ''the same preview page'') showed that [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]] was in a virtual reality environment living out a dream fantasy of enacting revenge on Cliffjumper for the events of the ''Galaxies'' two-parter by killing him repeatedly. As of {{CURRENTYEAR}}, he's received a starring role in [[Skybound Entertainment|Skybound]]'s [[Energon Universe]] comics, taking the usual "human ally" role from ... ''Bumblebee'', who died in [[Transformers (2023) issue 1|the very first issue]]. (See what we mean?)
 
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/GenSpringer/springer.htm More information on "Thrilling 30" Springer at TFU.info]''
{{GenerationsSpringerMold}}
{{-}}
{{-}}


==Devastator ROTF update==


===''Generations''===
==original section==
{{-}}{{anchor|Voyager}}
[[File:Generationstoy-VoyagerSandstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Now made of delicious cheese.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Sandstorm''' (Voyager, [[2013]])}}</ul>
:*''Series / Number:'' '''02 / 003'''
:*''Accessories:'' rifle, missile
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)|[[Nick Roche]] (concept artist)}}
 
:Part of the fourth wave of [[2012]]-[[2013]] ''Generations'' Voyager Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Sandstorm is a Triple Changer, transforming into a robot, VTOL aircraft, and dune buggy. He comes with a blaster which can fire its missile via pressure-launch, peg via [[5 mm post|5mm post]] onto his hands and back, and mount underneath his aircraft nose.
 
:'''REWRITE THIS PART, context of Sandstorm's panels aligning better than on springer should be brought over to springer's page since he's the retool not the original'''
 
:Sandstorm's panels align better than on Springer, especially in his [[Alternate mode|car mode]]. One notable and curious change involves the little dents inside the side-chest pieces: initially intended to hold the blade of the sword in his car mode, Springer's ones weren't able to do the job perfectly because of the asymmetrical shape of the sword, making it unable to fit inside the symmetrical dents. Sandstorm's side-chest dents, on the other hand have been modified to be asymmetrical, allowing the blade of Springer's sword to fit in better. This is, nevertheless, a pointless difference, as Sandstorm doesn't come with his own heli-sword and doesn't have the same kneecaps as Springer that allow the handle of Springer's sword to be fitted in.
 
:The original version of this mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Cloud|Hot Rodimus]] and it was retooled into [[BotCon 2015]] [[Battletrap (G1)#Timelines|Battletrap]]. It also served as the basis of the non-toy ''Beast Wars: Uprising'' incarnations of [[Dinobot (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Dynobot]] and [[Grimlock (G1)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Grimlock]].


:'''END PART THAT NEEDS REWRITING'''
* According to [[Shawn Kelly]], the [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]] lead animator for ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Devastator caused a computer to catch fire spontaneously and its insides to melt.<ref>''[[Nickelodeon]] Magazine'', issue 153, published June 2009</ref> One assumes he was exaggerating for the purposes of publicity, as it is improbable for modern computers to actually catch fire under operations for which they are designed, such as rendering an extremely complex model. The special features on the DVD do (indirectly) show one of the computers blowing, with lots of black smoke and the poor animator (and his keyboard) covered in soot. (This was all done as a prank, leading to said animator asking "What the hell, man?") Not quite melting, but still.


:Contrary to popular belief, Sandstorm is not a redeco and heavy [[retool]] of Voyager [[Springer (G1)/toys#Voyager|Springer]], but instead was designed first by [[Nick Roche]], then Hasbro retooled Sandstorm into Springer.<ref name="SandstormShotFirst">{{citesocial|quote=To clear up: I was working with Hasbro at the time, and designed Sandstorm while I was there. That was the base design, and then those crazy sods at Hasbro managed to pull my comic Springer out of it. In that order!|link=https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/1597658869521854464 |site=Twitter |name=Nick Roche|year=2022|month=11|day=29}}</ref>
==proposed new section==


::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/GenSandstorm/sandstorm.htm More information on "Thrilling 30" Sandstorm at TFU.info]''
* According to [[Shawn Kelly]], the [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]] lead animator for ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Devastator caused a computer to catch fire spontaneously and its insides to melt<ref>''[[Nickelodeon]] Magazine'', issue 153, published June 2009</ref> during an overnight rendering and no one was in the studio.<ref>https://twitter.com/Shawnimator/status/1816858494882189453</ref> While one assumes he was exaggerating for the purposes of publicity, as it is improbable for modern computers to actually catch fire under operations for which they are designed (such as such as rendering an extremely complex model), ILM visual effects sequence supervisor Todd Vaziri notes that even with massive amounts of RAM the computer was not able to handle rendering the shots. The special features on the ROTF DVD reenacted the incident by pretending to have one of the sequences saved with all the high-resolution textures and calling across the office to have an animator open the scene, leading to a fake mushroom cloud of smoke blow over the cubicle walls as the poor animator walked over, his entire shirt covered in soot from his keyboard exploding, asking them "What the hell?"
{{GenerationsSpringerMold}}
{{--}}




==References==
==References==
{{Reflist}}
{{Reflist}}

Latest revision as of 09:58, 15 February 2026

It's time you learned where I really come from.

Welcome to my sandbox. Lots of things in progress, may not publish some others awaiting peer review because i always want a second set of eyes before something goes gold.

Cliffjumper DIES

[edit]

Wanna update https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Myths#Other because IDW 2019 #28 previews had people think Cliffjumper died again when it was a simulation. WIP obv

  • Cliffjumper dies in every Transformers series he appears in, or is part of a franchise-wide running gag where he is killed over and over again.
I lived, bitch!
The series premiere of Transformers: Prime is well-remembered for its opening act, in which Starscream brutally kills Cliffjumper. Several years later, Cliffjumper made a prominent appearance in 2018's Bumblebee film, where he is tortured and killed by the Decepticons Shatter and Dropkick. By sheer coincidence, Cliffjumper had recently perished in IDW's concurrent Unicron miniseries; from these data points (sometimes adding in the fate of his mirror-universe self in Shattered Glass and a brief cameo in Siege that leaves his fate uncertain), some fans have extrapolated the idea that Cliffjumper must "always" die in Transformers stories, or that writers have somehow singled him out to die over and over again for the sake of comedy, not unlike the perpetually unlucky Waspinator.
The truth of the matter is a bit more nuanced. Named Transformers characters die all the time—across different works of Transformers fiction, characters named "Wheeljack" and "Blurr" have died just as often as Cliffjumper, and Bumblebee himself has died or otherwise suffered terminal damage onscreen just as often as Cliffjumper! Some of Cliffjumper's deaths were part of climactic "massacre" storylines that killed off dozens of named characters; his appearances in Bumblebee and Siege probably came down to the fact that it was easier to finagle another pre-existing character from their limited pool of robot parts by simply recoloring Bumblebee's pre-existing CGI model, rather than any kind of ulterior commentary on the character.
In contemporary comics, Cliffjumper spent years as the POV character in Fun Publications' Shattered Glass comics; more recently, he got an entire two-part adventure to himself in 2020's Transformers: Galaxies series, where he turned out just fine. However, for a brief moment when the main IDW 2019 comic series released the first few pages of issue number 28 to promote its release, said pages depicted Cliffjumper being hunted down and killed, leading to fans believing he's dead yet again[1] when in the full issue (nay, the same preview page) showed that Deathsaurus was in a virtual reality environment living out a dream fantasy of enacting revenge on Cliffjumper for the events of the Galaxies two-parter by killing him repeatedly. As of 2026, he's received a starring role in Skybound's Energon Universe comics, taking the usual "human ally" role from ... Bumblebee, who died in the very first issue. (See what we mean?)


Devastator ROTF update

[edit]

original section

[edit]
  • According to Shawn Kelly, the ILM lead animator for Revenge of the Fallen, Devastator caused a computer to catch fire spontaneously and its insides to melt.[2] One assumes he was exaggerating for the purposes of publicity, as it is improbable for modern computers to actually catch fire under operations for which they are designed, such as rendering an extremely complex model. The special features on the DVD do (indirectly) show one of the computers blowing, with lots of black smoke and the poor animator (and his keyboard) covered in soot. (This was all done as a prank, leading to said animator asking "What the hell, man?") Not quite melting, but still.

proposed new section

[edit]
  • According to Shawn Kelly, the ILM lead animator for Revenge of the Fallen, Devastator caused a computer to catch fire spontaneously and its insides to melt[3] during an overnight rendering and no one was in the studio.[4] While one assumes he was exaggerating for the purposes of publicity, as it is improbable for modern computers to actually catch fire under operations for which they are designed (such as such as rendering an extremely complex model), ILM visual effects sequence supervisor Todd Vaziri notes that even with massive amounts of RAM the computer was not able to handle rendering the shots. The special features on the ROTF DVD reenacted the incident by pretending to have one of the sequences saved with all the high-resolution textures and calling across the office to have an animator open the scene, leading to a fake mushroom cloud of smoke blow over the cubicle walls as the poor animator walked over, his entire shirt covered in soot from his keyboard exploding, asking them "What the hell?"


References

[edit]
  1. ↑ Transformers News - TFW2005IDW’s Transformers (2019) Comic Series: Issue #28 iTunes Preview
  2. ↑ Nickelodeon Magazine, issue 153, published June 2009
  3. ↑ Nickelodeon Magazine, issue 153, published June 2009
  4. ↑ https://twitter.com/Shawnimator/status/1816858494882189453
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