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|date=[[November 30]], [[2004]]
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'''Transformers Legends''' is an anthology of [[Transformers]] short stories published in November 2004 by [[ibooks]].  It was edited by [[David Cian]], who had previously written the second half of the [[Keepers Trilogy]].
'''''Transformers Legends''''' is an anthology of [[Transformer]]s short stories published in November 2004 by [[ibooks]].  It was edited by [[David Cian]], who had previously written the second half of ''[[The Transformers Trilogy]]''.


The book went out of print almost immediately, and now commands at ''least'' 4-5 times the original cover price on the secondary market.
The book went out of print almost immediately, and for years commanded at ''least'' 4–5 times the original cover price on the secondary market.
 
==Table of Contents==
*Introduction by David Cian
 
*'''[[A Meeting of Minds]]''' by [[Simon Furman]]


==Table of contents==
* Introduction by David Cian
* '''[[A Meeting of Minds]]''' by [[Simon Furman]]
:[[Maximal]] fights Maximal as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] fights [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] over a body.
:[[Maximal]] fights Maximal as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] fights [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] over a body.
 
* '''[[Collect and Save]]''' by [[Tim Waggoner]]
*'''[[Collect and Save]]''' by [[Tim Waggoner]]
 
:Welcome to the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]]. You check in, but you don't check out.
:Welcome to the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]]. You check in, but you don't check out.
 
* '''[[Paddles (story)|Paddles]]''' by [[Jean Rabe]]
*'''[[Paddles (story)|Paddles]]''' by [[Jean Rabe]]
 
:The lost [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]].
:The lost [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]].
 
* '''[[Redemption Center]]''' by [[Alexander B. Potter]]
*'''[[Redemption Center]]''' by [[Alexander B. Potter]]
 
:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] gets to be a nice guy for a little while.
:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] gets to be a nice guy for a little while.
 
* '''[[Something Robotic This Way Comes]]''' by [[John J. Miller]]
*'''[[Something Robotic This Way Comes]]''' by [[John J. Miller]]
 
:Trick or... treat? Yeah. Treat. Beep.
:Trick or... treat? Yeah. Treat. Beep.
 
* '''[[Two for the Price of One]]''' by [[Brandie Tarvin]]
*'''[[Two for the Price of One]]''' by [[Brandie Tarvin]]
:Political intrigue in [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Carbombya]].
 
* '''[[Joyride (story)|Joyride]]''' by [[Jenifer A. Ruth]]
:Political intrigue in [[Carbombya]].
 
*'''[[Joyride (story)|Joyride]]''' by [[Jenifer A. Ruth]]
 
:[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] gets carjacked. ''Again''. Dude needs to install Lojack or something.
:[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] gets carjacked. ''Again''. Dude needs to install Lojack or something.
 
* '''[[Lonesome Diesel]]''' by [[David Bischoff]]
*'''[[Lonesome Diesel]]''' by [[David Bischoff]]
 
:A [[Mini-Con]] schtupps a truck.
:A [[Mini-Con]] schtupps a truck.
 
* '''[[Prime Spark (story)|Prime Spark]]''' by [[Sean P. Fodera]]
*'''[[Prime Spark]]''' by [[Sean F. Fodera]]
:Four Optimuses walk into a bar...
 
* '''[[Parts]]''' by [[Donald J. Bingle]]
: Bleh.
 
*'''[[Parts]]''' by [[Donald J. Bingle]]
 
:[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] is an insensitive prick. Also, meet [[Geosensus]].
:[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] is an insensitive prick. Also, meet [[Geosensus]].
 
* '''[[Healers, Fighters, and Transformers]]''' by [[J. Steven York]]
*'''[[Healers, Fighters, and Transformers]]''' by [[J. Steven York]]
 
:[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] helps a hurtin' human.
:[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] helps a hurtin' human.
 
* '''[[Fire in the Dark]]''' by [[John Helfers]]
*'''[[Fire in the Dark]]''' by [[John Helfers]]
 
:Beast Armada?
:Beast Armada?
 
* '''[[Singularity Ablyss]]''' by [[Bob Skir|Robert N. Skir]]
*'''[[Singularity Ablyss]]''' by [[Bob Skir|Robert N. Skir]]
:Why ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''-era Megatron is frickin' ''hardcore''.
 
:Why ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''-era Megatron is frickin' ''hardcore''.


==Continuity==
==Continuity==
David Cian's 2 page foreword to the anthology includes contradictory statements about the standing of the stories found within, on the one hand saying:
David Cian's 2 page foreword to the anthology includes contradictory statements about the standing of the stories found within. He first let us know what the ground-rules to the authors were:
{{quote|...none of the stories in this volume are part of continuity. In other words they don't count for future "facts" in the ''Transformers'' universe except as they should: these stories are for fun, giving us the chance to read about characters we've come to love.|Cian's explains to readers that none of these stories count.}}
{{quote|The rules, as the saying goes, were simple. Write a ''Transformers'' story set in any of the various timelines or universes. Don't break things, but have fun. Optimus Prime can't show up with a heretofore unknown short-range tactical nuke in his helmet, but he ''can'' have an adventure that no one has ever heard before.|Cian tells writers to write in existing continuities and be careful not mess anything up.}}


On the other hand he states that his ground-rules to the authors were;
He then concluded the introduction by explaining:
{{quote|Write a ''Transformers'' story set in any of the various timelines or universes. Don't break things, but have fun. Optimus Prime can't show up with a heretofore unknown short-range tactical nuke in his helmet, but he ''can'' have an adventure that no one has ever heard before.|Cian tells writers to write in existing continuities and be careful not mess anything up.}}
{{quote|But remember, none of the stories in this volume are part of continuity. In other words they don't count for future "facts" in the ''Transformers'' universe except as they should: these stories are for fun, giving us the chance to read about characters we've come to love. Enjoy the journey!|Cian "reminds" readers that none of these stories count.}}


To even further confuse the issue, the book's back cover states that its stories are guided by "no hard and fast rules [and] no themes."   
To even further confuse the issue, the book's back cover states that its stories are guided by "no hard and fast rules [and] no themes."   


Cian's odd "future facts" phrasing suggests he was doing some [[wikipedia:Cover_your_ass|CYA]], since at least one of the stories ("[[Two for the Price of One]]") was set in the future of the then-ongoing [[Generation One (Dreamwave comic)|Dreamwave G1 comic]], with no guarantee that the events of the short story would 'fit' when the comic caught up to it.  As it happened, there was no conflict.
Cian's odd "future facts" phrasing suggests he was doing some {{w|Cover your ass|CYA}}, since at least one of the stories ("[[Two for the Price of One]]") was set in the future of the then-ongoing [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave) |Dreamwave G1 comic]], with no guarantee that the events of the short story would 'fit' when the comic caught up to it.  As it happened, there was no conflict... though of course Dreamwave's bankruptcy kinda helped in the end.


Readers considering Cian's credo may, as always, make up their own minds on the matter of [[authorial intent]].  Many of the stories are easily identifiable as fitting within specific continuities and events already established in other fiction; one of them, "[[Singularity Ablyss]]", occurs seamlessly within a single episode of ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' and was written by [[Bob Skir|that series' editor]]. Though [[Personal canon|perspectives differ]], the area of overlap on nearly all of these stories is negligible—that is, they would have no impact on broader continuity even if they had been inserted without any proviso.   
Readers considering Cian's credo may, as always, make up their own minds on the matter of [[authorial intent]].  Many of the stories are easily identifiable as fitting within specific continuities and events already established in other fiction; one of them, "[[Singularity Ablyss]]", occurs seamlessly within a single episode of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' and was written by [[Bob Skir|that series' editor]]. Though [[Personal canon|perspectives differ]], the area of overlap on nearly all of these stories is negligible—that is, they would have no impact on broader continuity even if they had been inserted without any proviso.   


Some believe Cian may have been speaking from the perspective that there is a set and specific number of continuities into which all stories had to fit somewhere, similar to the [[wikipedia:Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths|pre-"Crisis" DC comics]].  This would leave ''Legends'' stories as "imaginary tales," to be enjoyed but not made to fit in, and not "counting" as TF stories--almost as though examples of [[pseudocanon]].  This is difficult to reconcile with [[Hasbro]]'s earlier published policy of creating [[Universe (2003 comic)|an all-encompassing multiversal metastory]] in which all TF material from any media are [[Axiom Nexus|legitimized]], every single one of them recognized as having "happened" somewhere.  One ''Legends'' story, "[[Prime Spark]]", includes a [[multiversal singularity]] of precisely this nature.
Some believe Cian may have been speaking from the perspective that there is a set and specific number of continuities into which all stories had to fit somewhere, similar to the {{w|Crisis on Infinite Earths|pre-"Crisis" DC comics}}.  This would leave ''Legends'' stories as "imaginary tales," to be enjoyed but not made to fit in, and not "counting" as TF stories almost as though they were examples of [[pseudocanon]].  This is difficult to reconcile with [[Hasbro]]'s earlier published policy of creating [[Transformers: Universe (comic)|an all-encompassing multiversal metastory]] in which all TF material from any media are [[Axiom Nexus|legitimized]], every single one of them recognized as having "happened" somewhere.  One ''Legends'' story, "[[Prime Spark (story)|Prime Spark]]", depicts deceased characters from two of those universes dimension-hopping to visit each other and [[Primus]], a [[multiversal singularity]] of precisely this nature.


For the sake of practicality and consistency, TFWiki generally ignores the whole "does not count" claim, allowing readers to draw their own conclusions as to whether the stories from the anthology belong in [[Micro-continuity|micro-continuities]] or applicable parent continuities.
For the sake of practicality and consistency, TFWiki generally ignores the whole "does not count" claim, allowing readers to draw their own conclusions as to whether the stories from the anthology belong in [[Micro-continuity|micro-continuities]] or applicable parent continuities.


==Trivia==
==Notes==
* [http://books.google.com/books?id=P20FAAAACAAJ&dq=transformers+legends&ei=oEUwSvziDoioM-nK6IQP Online listings] give [[Steven A. Roman]] a co-author/editor credit alongside Cian.  Who is this mysterious person? ''No one knows.''
* [http://books.google.com/books?id=P20FAAAACAAJ&dq=transformers+legends&ei=oEUwSvziDoioM-nK6IQP Online listings] give ibooks editor [[Steven A. Roman]] a co-author/editor credit alongside Cian.  The extent of his contribution to the book is unclear, and Cian himself has said this is an error which probably originated on Amazon <ref>[http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showpost.php?p=767149&postcount=98 Post on Don Murphy Message Board]</ref>.
 


==References==
{{reflist}}


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Latest revision as of 14:49, 4 May 2018

The name or term "Legends" refers to more than one character or idea. For a list of other meanings, see Legends (disambiguation).

Ceci n'est pas canonique.
Transformers Legends
Publisher ibooks
First published November 30, 2004
Editor David Cian
Continuity Various
ISBN ISBN 0743497910
ISBN 978-0743497916
Page count 304

Transformers Legends is an anthology of Transformers short stories published in November 2004 by ibooks. It was edited by David Cian, who had previously written the second half of The Transformers Trilogy.

The book went out of print almost immediately, and for years commanded at least 4–5 times the original cover price on the secondary market.

Table of contents

[edit]
Maximal fights Maximal as Megatron fights Megatron over a body.
Welcome to the Planet of Junk. You check in, but you don't check out.
The lost Dinobot.
Starscream gets to be a nice guy for a little while.
Trick or... treat? Yeah. Treat. Beep.
Political intrigue in Carbombya.
Bumblebee gets carjacked. Again. Dude needs to install Lojack or something.
A Mini-Con schtupps a truck.
Four Optimuses walk into a bar...
Prowl is an insensitive prick. Also, meet Geosensus.
Ratchet helps a hurtin' human.
Beast Armada?
Why Beast Machines-era Megatron is frickin' hardcore.

Continuity

[edit]

David Cian's 2 page foreword to the anthology includes contradictory statements about the standing of the stories found within. He first let us know what the ground-rules to the authors were:

The rules, as the saying goes, were simple. Write a Transformers story set in any of the various timelines or universes. Don't break things, but have fun. Optimus Prime can't show up with a heretofore unknown short-range tactical nuke in his helmet, but he can have an adventure that no one has ever heard before.Cian tells writers to write in existing continuities and be careful not mess anything up.

He then concluded the introduction by explaining:

But remember, none of the stories in this volume are part of continuity. In other words they don't count for future "facts" in the Transformers universe except as they should: these stories are for fun, giving us the chance to read about characters we've come to love. Enjoy the journey!Cian "reminds" readers that none of these stories count.

To even further confuse the issue, the book's back cover states that its stories are guided by "no hard and fast rules [and] no themes."

Cian's odd "future facts" phrasing suggests he was doing some CYA, since at least one of the stories ("Two for the Price of One") was set in the future of the then-ongoing Dreamwave G1 comic, with no guarantee that the events of the short story would 'fit' when the comic caught up to it. As it happened, there was no conflict... though of course Dreamwave's bankruptcy kinda helped in the end.

Readers considering Cian's credo may, as always, make up their own minds on the matter of authorial intent. Many of the stories are easily identifiable as fitting within specific continuities and events already established in other fiction; one of them, "Singularity Ablyss", occurs seamlessly within a single episode of Beast Machines and was written by that series' editor. Though perspectives differ, the area of overlap on nearly all of these stories is negligible—that is, they would have no impact on broader continuity even if they had been inserted without any proviso.

Some believe Cian may have been speaking from the perspective that there is a set and specific number of continuities into which all stories had to fit somewhere, similar to the pre-"Crisis" DC comics. This would leave Legends stories as "imaginary tales," to be enjoyed but not made to fit in, and not "counting" as TF stories — almost as though they were examples of pseudocanon. This is difficult to reconcile with Hasbro's earlier published policy of creating an all-encompassing multiversal metastory in which all TF material from any media are legitimized, every single one of them recognized as having "happened" somewhere. One Legends story, "Prime Spark", depicts deceased characters from two of those universes dimension-hopping to visit each other and Primus, a multiversal singularity of precisely this nature.

For the sake of practicality and consistency, TFWiki generally ignores the whole "does not count" claim, allowing readers to draw their own conclusions as to whether the stories from the anthology belong in micro-continuities or applicable parent continuities.

Notes

[edit]
  • Online listings give ibooks editor Steven A. Roman a co-author/editor credit alongside Cian. The extent of his contribution to the book is unclear, and Cian himself has said this is an error which probably originated on Amazon [1].

References

[edit]