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{{quote|Yes, in AHM Rumble is RED|[[Joana Lafuente]]}}
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&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td valign="top" style="padding:4px 10px 5px 10px;font-family: &#39;lucida console&#39;, arial, sans-serif;"&gt; Yes, in AHM Rumble is RED
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td width="20" valign="bottom" style="color:#B2B7F2;font-size:35px;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif;font-weight:bold;text-align:right;padding:10px 10px 0px 10px;"&gt; ”
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&lt;td colspan="3" style="padding-top: 0"&gt; &lt;p style="font-size:smaller;line-height:1em;text-align: right"&gt;&lt;cite style="font-style:normal;"&gt;—[[Joana Lafuente]]&lt;/cite&gt;


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{{quote|Okay guys, let's get this right this time. Rumble is BLUE, Frenzy is RED!|[[Derrick Wyatt]]}}
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&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td valign="top" style="padding:4px 10px 5px 10px;font-family: &#39;lucida console&#39;, arial, sans-serif;"&gt; Okay guys, let's get this right this time. Rumble is BLUE, Frenzy is RED!
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td width="20" valign="bottom" style="color:#B2B7F2;font-size:35px;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif;font-weight:bold;text-align:right;padding:10px 10px 0px 10px;"&gt; ”
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&lt;td colspan="3" style="padding-top: 0"&gt; &lt;p style="font-size:smaller;line-height:1em;text-align: right"&gt;&lt;cite style="font-style:normal;"&gt;—[[Derrick Wyatt]]&lt;/cite&gt;


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[[Image:Rumble and frenzy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble.  Whatever.]]
[[Image:Rumble and frenzy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble.  Whatever.]]
An acronym sometimes bandied about by fans, '''FIRRIB''' means "Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue".  The phrase originated on [[alt.toys.transformers]] circa 1994, essentially as a (largely joking) rallying cry for those who favored [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]] over various other media portrayals of the Transformers.  In time, the counterpoint '''FIBRIR''' emerged, standing for "[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is blue, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is red".  The forms RIBFIR and RIRFIB are also known.
An acronym sometimes bandied about by fans, '''FIRRIB''' means "Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue".  The phrase originated on [[alt.toys.transformers]] circa 1994, essentially as a (largely joking) rallying cry for those who favored [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]] over various other media portrayals of the Transformers.  In time, the counterpoint '''FIBRIR''' emerged, standing for "[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is blue, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is red".  The forms RIBFIR and RIRFIB are also known.
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Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, [[Fandom|fans]] would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.
Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, [[Fandom|fans]] would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.


The FIRRIB movement was codified by a [[MUSH]] user and cartoon fan named Scott Wells in 1994&lt;sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference"&gt;&lt;a href="#cite_note-0" title=""&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;, who coined the acronym FIRRIB.  The FIRRIB idea quickly caught on with other cartoon fans on [[alt.toys.transformers]], frequently appearing in signature files; its counterpoint, the comic- and toy-based FIBRIR, soon appeared as well.  After endless discussion threads fueled by little more than personal preference, the subject eventually landed in the group's FAQ file as a do-not-ask question.&lt;sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"&gt;&lt;a href="#cite_note-1" title=""&gt;[2]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;
The FIRRIB movement was codified by a [[MUSH]] user and cartoon fan named Scott Wells in 1994<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/7f7aa2ec041325c4/d066fdb5fb0bdaf9?lnk=gst&amp;q=FIRRIB#d066fdb5fb0bdaf9 ATT FAQ file, 1994]</ref>, who coined the acronym FIRRIB.  The FIRRIB idea quickly caught on with other cartoon fans on [[alt.toys.transformers]], frequently appearing in signature files; its counterpoint, the comic- and toy-based FIBRIR, soon appeared as well.  After endless discussion threads fueled by little more than personal preference, the subject eventually landed in the group's FAQ file as a do-not-ask question.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/75181b5ca5175ca3?&amp;q=FIRRIB+FAQ ATT FAQ file, 1998]</ref>


The Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.
The Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.
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&lt;table border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"&gt;
{|border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
&lt;tr&gt;
!
&lt;td&gt;
!'''Frenzy'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt; '''Frenzy'''
!'''Rumble'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt; '''Rumble'''
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|'''Original toys'''
&lt;tr&gt;
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"| Blue
&lt;td&gt; '''Original toys'''
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"| Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|'''Marvel comics'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"| Blue
&lt;tr&gt;
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"| Red
&lt;td&gt; '''Marvel comics'''
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
|'''[[Ladybird Books]]'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|style="color:Black;background-color:White;"|none
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;tr&gt;
|-
&lt;td&gt; '''[[Ladybird Books]]'''
|'''[[Kids Stuff]]'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:White;"&gt; none
|style="color:Black;background-color:White;"|none
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|-
&lt;tr&gt;
|'''US cartoon'''
&lt;td&gt; '''[[Kids Stuff]]'''
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:White;"&gt; none
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|'''Japanese cartoon'''
&lt;tr&gt;
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
&lt;td&gt; '''US cartoon'''
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
|'''Generation 2 toys'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|style="color:White;background-color:Purple;"|Purple
&lt;tr&gt;
|style="color:Red;background-color:White;"|Red on white<ref>[[Rumble (G1)|This toy]] was never released.</ref>
&lt;td&gt; '''Japanese cartoon'''
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
|'''Dreamwave comics'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;tr&gt;
|-
&lt;td&gt; '''Generation 2 toys'''
|'''Devil's Due comics'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Purple;"&gt; Purple
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Red;background-color:White;"&gt; Red on white&lt;sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"&gt;&lt;a href="#cite_note-2" title=""&gt;[3]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|-
&lt;tr&gt;
|'''IDW comics'''
&lt;td&gt; '''Dreamwave comics'''
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|'''Alternators toys'''
&lt;tr&gt;
|style="color:Black;background-color:White;"|None
&lt;td&gt; '''Devil's Due comics'''
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
|'''Diamond Select'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;tr&gt;
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
&lt;td&gt; '''IDW comics'''
|-
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
|'''Music Label earphones'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;tr&gt;
|-
&lt;td&gt; '''Alternators toys'''
|'''Robot Heroes'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:White;"&gt; None
|style="color:Black;background-color:White;"|None
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
|-
&lt;tr&gt;
|'''Shattered Glass'''
&lt;td&gt; '''Diamond Select'''
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
|style="color:White;background-color:Black;"|Black?<span style="background-color: white; padding:2px"><ref>''[[Shattered Glass]]'' [[Frenzy (Shattered Glass)|Frenzy]] is in [[Eject]]'s colors and while it would make sense for [[Rumble (Shattered Glass)|Rumble]] to be wearing [[Rewind]]'s colors, the lighting kinda makes it hard to tell.</ref></span>
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
|}
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
 
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt; '''Music Label earphones'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt; '''Robot Heroes'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:White;"&gt; None
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"&gt; Red
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt; '''Shattered Glass'''
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"&gt; Blue
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="color:White;background-color:Black;"&gt; Black?&lt;sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"&gt;&lt;a href="#cite_note-3" title=""&gt;[4]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;
It is generally agreed that pointing out Rumble was actually kinda purple in the original cartoon is not helpful (particularly since he still has blue in the places where Frenzy has red). Nor is pointing out the fact that for a brief moment in the movie (when Rumble, Frenzy, Ratbat, and Ravage jam Blaster's transmission) ''both'' of them were red.
It is generally agreed that pointing out Rumble was actually kinda purple in the original cartoon is not helpful (particularly since he still has blue in the places where Frenzy has red). Nor is pointing out the fact that for a brief moment in the movie (when Rumble, Frenzy, Ratbat, and Ravage jam Blaster's transmission) ''both'' of them were red.


==Footnotes==
<references />


==Footnotes==
&lt;ol class="references"&gt;&lt;li id="cite_note-0"&gt;[#cite_ref-0" title=""&gt;↑&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/7f7aa2ec041325c4/d066fdb5fb0bdaf9?lnk=gst&amp;q=FIRRIB#d066fdb5fb0bdaf9 ATT FAQ file, 1994]
&lt;li id="cite_note-1"&gt;[#cite_ref-1" title=""&gt;↑&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/75181b5ca5175ca3?&amp;q=FIRRIB+FAQ ATT FAQ file, 1998]
&lt;li id="cite_note-2"&gt;&lt;a href="#cite_ref-2" title=""&gt;↑&lt;/a&gt; [[Rumble (G1)|This toy]] was never released.
&lt;li id="cite_note-3"&gt;&lt;a href="#cite_ref-3" title=""&gt;↑&lt;/a&gt; ''[[Shattered Glass]]'' [[Frenzy (Shattered Glass)|Frenzy]] is in [[Eject]]'s colors and while it would make sense for [[Rumble (Shattered Glass)|Rumble]] to be wearing [[Rewind]]'s colors, the lighting kinda makes it hard to tell.&lt;/ol&gt;
==External links==
==External links==
*[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/12/first-we-crack-shell.html Derrick Wyatt's opinion, quoted above.]
*[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/12/first-we-crack-shell.html Derrick Wyatt's opinion, quoted above.]

Revision as of 06:12, 31 March 2009

Yes, in AHM Rumble is REDJoana Lafuente
Okay guys, let's get this right this time. Rumble is BLUE, Frenzy is RED!Derrick Wyatt
Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble. Whatever.

An acronym sometimes bandied about by fans, FIRRIB means "Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue". The phrase originated on alt.toys.transformers circa 1994, essentially as a (largely joking) rallying cry for those who favored the original cartoon over various other media portrayals of the Transformers. In time, the counterpoint FIBRIR emerged, standing for "Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red". The forms RIBFIR and RIRFIB are also known.

The debate revolves around the colors of the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes, Rumble and Frenzy. It was Hasbro's intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, Marvel Comics and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of Generation 1, and naturally, it was intended for the cartoon series to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's production bible, which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.

Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, fans would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.

The FIRRIB movement was codified by a MUSH user and cartoon fan named Scott Wells in 1994[1], who coined the acronym FIRRIB. The FIRRIB idea quickly caught on with other cartoon fans on alt.toys.transformers, frequently appearing in signature files; its counterpoint, the comic- and toy-based FIBRIR, soon appeared as well. After endless discussion threads fueled by little more than personal preference, the subject eventually landed in the group's FAQ file as a do-not-ask question.[2]

The Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.

As later incarnations of the characters draw on both the cartoon and toys as influences, the waters have become muddier still:

Items in the following table are listed in release order. E.g., the original toys came first.


Frenzy Rumble
Original toys Blue Red
Marvel comics Blue Red
Ladybird Books none Red
Kids Stuff none Red
US cartoon Red Blue
Japanese cartoon Blue Red
Generation 2 toys Purple Red on white[3]
Dreamwave comics Blue Red
Devil's Due comics Red Blue
IDW comics Blue Red
Alternators toys None Red
Diamond Select Red Blue
Music Label earphones Blue Red
Robot Heroes None Red
Shattered Glass Blue Black?[4]

It is generally agreed that pointing out Rumble was actually kinda purple in the original cartoon is not helpful (particularly since he still has blue in the places where Frenzy has red). Nor is pointing out the fact that for a brief moment in the movie (when Rumble, Frenzy, Ratbat, and Ravage jam Blaster's transmission) both of them were red.

Footnotes

  1. ↑ ATT FAQ file, 1994
  2. ↑ ATT FAQ file, 1998
  3. ↑ This toy was never released.
  4. ↑ Shattered Glass Frenzy is in Eject's colors and while it would make sense for Rumble to be wearing Rewind's colors, the lighting kinda makes it hard to tell.
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