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{{bigquote|Yes, in AHM Rumble is RED|[[Joana Lafuente]]}}
{{quote|Yes, in AHM Rumble is RED|[[Joana Lafuente]] <ref>[http://khaamar.deviantart.com/art/All-Hail-Megatron-9-cover-112520321 Joana LaFuente's response.]</ref>|center=true}}
{{quote|Okay guys, let's get this right this time. Rumble is BLUE, Frenzy is RED!|[[Derrick J. Wyatt]] <ref>[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/12/first-we-crack-shell.html Derrick Wyatt's opinion]</ref>|center=true}}
{{quote|[Frenzy]'s blue because Hasbro said so.|[[Shane McCarthy]] <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffvrLk_6Seo#t=28s Shane McCarthy's response during IDW's panel at San Diego Comic-Con 2008.]</ref>|center=true}}
[[Image:Rumble and frenzy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble. Whatever.]]
An acronym sometimes bandied about by fans, '''FIRRIB''' means "[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is red, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is blue". The phrase originated on [[alt.toys.transformers]] circa 1994, essentially as a (largely joking) rallying cry for those who favored [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]] over various other media portrayals of the Transformers. In time, the counterpoint '''FIBRIR''' emerged, standing for "Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red".  The forms RIBFIR and RIRFIB are also known.


{{bigquote|Okay guys, let's get this right this time. Rumble is BLUE, Frenzy is RED!|[[Derrick J. Wyatt]]}}
The debate revolves around the colors of the [[Decepticon]] [[Mini-Cassette]]s, Rumble and Frenzy. It was [[Hasbro]]'s intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, [[Marvel Comics]] and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]], and naturally, it was intended for the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon series]] to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's [[production bible]], which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.  
 
{{bigquote|[Frenzy]'s blue because Hasbro said so.|[[Shane McCarthy]]}}
 
[[Image:Rumble and frenzy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble.  Whatever.]]
An acronym sometimes bandied about by fans, '''FIRRIB''' means "[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is red, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is blue".  The phrase originated on [[alt.toys.transformers]] circa 1994, essentially as a (largely joking) rallying cry for those who favored [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]] over various other media portrayals of the Transformers.  In time, the counterpoint '''FIBRIR''' emerged, standing for "Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red".  The forms RIBFIR and RIRFIB are also known.
 
The debate revolves around the colors of the [[Decepticon]] [[Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassettes]], Rumble and Frenzy. It was [[Hasbro]]'s intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, [[Marvel Comics]] and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]], and naturally, it was intended for the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon series]] to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's [[production bible]], which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.  


Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, [[Fandom|fans]] would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.
Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, [[Fandom|fans]] would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.


The FIRRIB movement was codified by a [[MUSH]] user and cartoon fan named Scott Wells in 1994<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/7f7aa2ec041325c4/d066fdb5fb0bdaf9?lnk=gst&amp;q=FIRRIB#d066fdb5fb0bdaf9 ATT FAQ file, 1994]</ref>, who coined the acronym FIRRIB. The FIRRIB idea quickly caught on with other cartoon fans on [[alt.toys.transformers]], frequently appearing in signature files; its counterpoint, the comic- and toy-based FIBRIR, soon appeared as well. After endless discussion threads fueled by little more than personal preference, the subject eventually landed in the group's FAQ file as a do-not-ask question.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/75181b5ca5175ca3?&amp;q=FIRRIB+FAQ ATT FAQ file, 1998]</ref>
The FIRRIB movement was codified by a [[MUSH]] user and cartoon fan named Scott Wells in 1994<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/7f7aa2ec041325c4/d066fdb5fb0bdaf9?lnk=gst&amp;q=FIRRIB#d066fdb5fb0bdaf9 ATT FAQ file, 1994]</ref>, who coined the acronym FIRRIB. The FIRRIB idea quickly caught on with other cartoon fans on alt.toys.transformers, frequently appearing in signature files; its counterpoint, the comic- and toy-based FIBRIR, soon appeared as well. After endless discussion threads fueled by little more than personal preference, the subject eventually landed in the group's FAQ file as a do-not-ask question.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/75181b5ca5175ca3?&amp;q=FIRRIB+FAQ ATT FAQ file, 1998]</ref>


The Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.
The Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.
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Items in the following table are listed in release order.  E.g., the original toys came first.
Items in the following table are listed in release order.  E.g., the original toys came first.


 
{|border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:left"
{|border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
!
!
!'''Frenzy'''
!Frenzy
!'''Rumble'''
!Rumble
|-
|-
|'''Original toys'''
![[The Transformers (toyline)|Original toys]]
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"| Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"| Blue
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"| Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"| Red
|-
|-
|'''Marvel comics'''
![[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comics]]
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"| Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"| Blue
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"| Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"| Red
|-
|-
|'''[[Ladybird Books]]'''
![[Ladybird Books]]
|style="color:Black;background-color:White;"|none
|style="color:#000;background:#fff;"|none
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|'''[[Kid Stuff]]'''
![[Kid Stuff]]
|style="color:Black;background-color:White;"|none
|style="color:#000;background:#fff;"|none
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|'''US cartoon'''
![[The Transformers (cartoon)|US cartoon]]
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|-
|-
|'''Japanese cartoon'''
![[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Japanese cartoon]]
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|'''Dreamwave comics'''
![[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave comics]]
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|'''Devil's Due comics'''
![[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity|Devil's Due comics]]
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|-
|-
|'''IDW comics'''
![[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW comics]]
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|'''Alternators toys'''
![[Alternators]] toys
|style="color:Black;background-color:White;"|None
|style="color:#000;background:#fff;"|None
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|'''Diamond Select'''
![[Diamond Select Toys|Diamond Select]]
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|-
|-
|'''Music Label earphones'''
![[Music Label]] earphones
|style="color:White;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|'''Robot Heroes'''
![[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]
|style="color:Black;background-color:White;"|None
|style="color:#000;background:#fff;"|None
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|'''G1: The Awakening'''
![[Transformers G1: Awakening|G1: The Awakening]]
|style="color:Black;background-color:Blue;"|Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:Black;background-color:Red;"|Red
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
|-
|}
|}


It is generally agreed that pointing out Rumble was actually kinda purple in the original cartoon is not helpful (particularly since he still has blue in the places where Frenzy has red). Nor is pointing out the fact that for a brief moment in the movie (when Rumble, Frenzy, Ratbat, and Ravage jam Blaster's transmission) ''both'' of them were red. Or that Marvel US' colouring had Rumble as red ''and blue''.
It is generally agreed that pointing out Rumble was actually kinda purple in the original cartoon is not helpful (particularly since he still has blue in the places where Frenzy has red). Nor is pointing out the fact that for a brief moment in the movie (when Rumble, Frenzy, [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] jam [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s transmission) ''both'' of them were red. Or that the Marvel US coloring had Rumble as red ''and blue''.
==Footnotes==
 
==References==
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==External links==
==External links==
*[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/12/first-we-crack-shell.html Derrick Wyatt's opinion, quoted above.]
*[http://khaamar.deviantart.com/art/All-Hail-Megatron-9-cover-112520321 Likewise, the source for Joana LaFuente's response.]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffvrLk_6Seo#t=28s Shane McCarthy's response during IDW's panel at San Diego Comic-Con 2008.]
*[http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2007/03/20/lil-formers-38-rumblefrenzy/ LilFormers' answer to this dilemma.]
*[http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2007/03/20/lil-formers-38-rumblefrenzy/ LilFormers' answer to this dilemma.]


[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Fandom]]

Revision as of 17:30, 29 January 2010

Yes, in AHM Rumble is REDJoana Lafuente [1]
Okay guys, let's get this right this time. Rumble is BLUE, Frenzy is RED!Derrick J. Wyatt [2]
[Frenzy]'s blue because Hasbro said so.Shane McCarthy [3]
Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble. Whatever.

An acronym sometimes bandied about by fans, FIRRIB means "Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue". The phrase originated on alt.toys.transformers circa 1994, essentially as a (largely joking) rallying cry for those who favored the original cartoon over various other media portrayals of the Transformers. In time, the counterpoint FIBRIR emerged, standing for "Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red". The forms RIBFIR and RIRFIB are also known.

The debate revolves around the colors of the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes, Rumble and Frenzy. It was Hasbro's intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, Marvel Comics and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of Generation 1, and naturally, it was intended for the cartoon series to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's production bible, which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.

Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, fans would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.

The FIRRIB movement was codified by a MUSH user and cartoon fan named Scott Wells in 1994[4], who coined the acronym FIRRIB. The FIRRIB idea quickly caught on with other cartoon fans on alt.toys.transformers, frequently appearing in signature files; its counterpoint, the comic- and toy-based FIBRIR, soon appeared as well. After endless discussion threads fueled by little more than personal preference, the subject eventually landed in the group's FAQ file as a do-not-ask question.[5]

The Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.

As later incarnations of the characters draw on both the cartoon and toys as influences, the waters have become muddier still:

Items in the following table are listed in release order. E.g., the original toys came first.

Frenzy Rumble
Original toys Blue Red
Marvel comics Blue Red
Ladybird Books none Red
Kid Stuff none Red
US cartoon Red Blue
Japanese cartoon Blue Red
Dreamwave comics Blue Red
Devil's Due comics Red Blue
IDW comics Blue Red
Alternators toys None Red
Diamond Select Red Blue
Music Label earphones Blue Red
Robot Heroes None Red
G1: The Awakening Blue Red

It is generally agreed that pointing out Rumble was actually kinda purple in the original cartoon is not helpful (particularly since he still has blue in the places where Frenzy has red). Nor is pointing out the fact that for a brief moment in the movie (when Rumble, Frenzy, Ratbat, and Ravage jam Blaster's transmission) both of them were red. Or that the Marvel US coloring had Rumble as red and blue.

References