Talk:Primal Program

Isn't this just another name for the Creation Matrix (before it was revealed to be a physical object instead of merely a program)? --Sabrblade 20:59, 11 November 2011 (EST)

It sounds different to me. Maybe it is the very first program that eventually evolved from naturally occurring gears and levers. And the Creation Matrix never became a physical object, it was still a program that was housed within a physical object. - Starfield 21:19, 11 November 2011 (EST)

It's speculative to assume that it's the same thing as the Creation Matrix. They already have "Matrix" interjections, and those are limited to the Autobots. —Interrobang 21:41, 11 November 2011 (EST)

I started reading the Marvel G1 comics for the first time earlier this year. As well as the UK comics. When they first spoke of the Matrix, they referred to it as a legendary life-giving program that gave their race life. The first mention of the "Primal Program" came during a time when the Creation Matrix was a very crucial aspect of the then-current story. With me being freshly exposed to these stories, it just clicked with me that the so important program that everyone was swearing by was the very same program that gave them all life. After all, they swore by the Matrix anyway (even the "Prime Matrix"), so why wouldn't it be the same program? Plus, what with their race having been birthed by the Matrix, that would mean that it would have had to have been around since before the beginning of Cybertronian life, hence being "primal" or "primordial".

And, I never said it "became" a physical object. I said it was later "revealed" (as in "found out") to be a physical object. --Sabrblade 23:10, 11 November 2011 (EST)

That's entirely speculative. Considering the early Marvel Comics described Transformers as having evolved from lesser machines, a "Primary Program" could easily be a reference to their genetic ancestors. Either way, there's no confirmation. --ItsWalky 23:23, 11 November 2011 (EST)

Issue 1's claim of "naturally occurring gears, levers, and pulleys" having given life to the Transformers conflicts with the Creation Matrix, which later issues (even those before it was revealed to be a talisman instead of a mere program) refer to it' as having been their race's source of life. It's a retcon.

And, yes, I know there's no explicit confirmation (or at least, one hasn't been found right now if there is one somewhere), but wouldn't a note of it possibly in reference to the Creation Matrix at least warrant a mention? --Sabrblade 23:41, 11 November 2011 (EST)