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Transformers Gold Bumblebee

So what do you think? Is "Gold Bumblebee" really "Goldbug" under a different name? Should the toy be included here? Just throwing the idea out there. - Starfield 23:09, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

I would think his name being "Gold Bumblebee" would preclude him from being a character who isn't Bumblebee. --ItsWalky 23:35, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

Good point. - Starfield 16:26, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

I think we should add that toy anyway since it's supposed to be Goldbug and judging from the name Hasbro gave it, I don't see a toy named Goldbug anytime soon.-ACIDSTORM92 17:49, 1 December 2010 (EST)

If that toy represents any "Goldbug" it is "Goldbug who used to be Bumblebee" while this page is "Goldbug who was never Bumblebee". That seems like reason enough to keep it off this page (and on Bumblebee's), but then again that same reason didn't suffice for the original Goldbug toy (see below). --Khajidha 17:51, 1 December 2010 (EST)

Guys, guys.....

Can we please remove the toy? He has never appeared in that form, EVER. ---Blackout- 16:25, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

That would give the impression that IDW made him up. It would fail to acknowledge the link between IDW Goldbug and his G1 Throttlebot origins. The IDW story involves the Throttlebots which were a subgroup of Autobots with the same gimmick. - Starfield 16:35, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

I'm with Blackout on this one. That toy does not match the representation of the character in any of his appearances. A simple note (like the one that was removed earlier today) would cover the connection. --Khajidha 16:45, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

We already went over this a year ago, and it seems it was decided the toy would stay. By this same logic, the other IDW Throttlebots should be split off into their own toy-free pages for not having appeared in Earth forms yet. Fact of the matter is, we've got a character in a G1 continuity named Goldbug who shares clear similarities with the G1 toy Goldbug. He's meant to represent that toy. - Cattleprod 17:48, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

The original toy is of a Goldbug who was Bumblebee, this is Goldbug who was never Bumblebee. The other Throttlebots are the same characters as their old toys. But apparently consensus is against me on this, so I won't press the issue. --Khajidha 20:15, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

This matter was dealt with already, as you can see in the miles of text above. Please do not bring it up again. --ItsWalky 17:52, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

So why is the toy section disappearing? - Starfield 12:46, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Because Blackout thinks he's the Judge Dredd of the Transformers wiki. Antimatter 12:47, 15 January 2011 (EST)

I was under the impression that toys were shown on the pages of the characters they were released as or of the characters they were officially repurposed as, which of these apply to this toy and this character? Or is there something I'm missing. --Khajidha 13:33, 15 January 2011 (EST)

I've got an idea. There are two archive pages full of this shit, linked above. Read them. --ItsWalky 13:37, 15 January 2011 (EST)

I have. The conclusion still makes no sense. This seems like putting the original Optimus Prime toy on every OP page because they were all inspired by the original.--Khajidha 13:42, 15 January 2011 (EST)

No, it would be like putting the original Optimus Prime toy on every Generation 1 Optimus Prime page. In Optimus Prime's case, there is only one Generation 1 Optimus Prime page. In Goldbug's case, there are two Generation 1 Goldbug pages. - Starfield 14:11, 15 January 2011 (EST)

But they are still different characters. When was that toy released or repurposed as this character? The note would seem to be sufficient.--Khajidha 14:26, 15 January 2011 (EST)

He is a Generation 1 character named Goldbug. He wouldn't even EXIST without this toy. Ergo, it's worth putting on his page. Antimatter 14:33, 15 January 2011 (EST)

How does that make this situation any different than any other homage character? It may be worth mentioning, but how does that mean that that toy is this character and not just an inspiration? --Khajidha 14:51, 15 January 2011 (EST)

There's dozens, if not hundreds of characters with personalities and backstories that are distinctly different from their tech specs or appearances in prior continuities, and they aren't split out. Sunbow Ratbat and Marvel Ratbat effectively have nothing in common but their names and the toy they were based on, but they're treated as the same character. Every argument in favor of taking the toy info off this page has a mountain of counter-examples showing why that goes against standard policy. - Cattleprod 14:59, 15 January 2011 (EST)

They are treated as the same characters because they are the same character. The toy is the preexisting character Goldbug-who-was-Bumblebee, this is the new character Goldbug-who-was-never-Bumblebee. --Khajidha 15:09, 15 January 2011 (EST)

As long as the IDW is considered to be "G1" by the wiki, they are not different characters. They just have different backstories. Like G1 Cyclonus or G1 Micromasters. This would all be much less confusing to people if there was one G1 Goldbug page, with notes on Bumblebee's page "Note: for events that happened while Bumblebee was a Throttlebot named Goldbug, see 'Goldbug (G1)'" - Starfield 16:35, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Yes, they are different characters.

G1 Goldbug is Bumblebee. It is a fundamental part of his character. IDW Goldbug is not Bumblebee. There, different guys. --84.193.193.10 08:39, 19 January 2011 (EST)

Then would we have to make a seperate page for cartoon Shockwave and remove his toys because seeking to replace megatron is a fundamental part of his character? Should we make a separate page for IDW Galvatron and remove all his toys because formerly being Megatron is a fundamental part of his character?Riddlerj 09:28, 19 January 2011 (EST)

1. No. Cartoon Shockwave is clearly the same guy as all the other G1 Shockwaves and he only has a different personality because of a mistake.

2. IDW Galvatron is actually a bit of a grey area. We debated that some time ago but got nowhere. --84.193.193.10 10:08, 19 January 2011 (EST)

Are you sure?

I know that Goldbug having a Cybertronian altmode makes him seem like a seperate character, but he appears in a story that does not include Bumblebee. You have a great point, but I was just wondering if at any point in the story, does it say that Goldbug was never Bumblebee.71.255.168.12 21:21, 4 January 2012 (EST)