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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal/Archive
Faction symbol bullets?
While working on more page revamping, it struck me that it might be a good idea to look into replacing the bullets in the lists with tiny faction symbol markers. On the one hand, it would make things a bit more visually pleasing and sort good bots and bad-bots in the mixed waves.
On the other, I'm not sure how we could pull that off without overloading things. A simple template like "{{bp-a1}}" (bullet point autobot 1), making sure the graphics are actually tiny and not having the wiki software scale down the images? I mean, there can be HUNDREDS of these on a page. Thoughts from the more technically-minded? --M Sipher (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2016 (EST)
- I've created this mockup of what it would look like. The coding would be something like:
<ul class="iconlist">{{bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}{{bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}</ul>- We'd have to specify the ul tags because mediawiki doesn't have a way to apply css classes to bullet points, as far as I can tell. --abates (talk) 18:59, 11 December 2016 (EST)
- Okiedoke. Sooo...
- a1 (Autobot G1)
- d1 (Autobot G1)
- a2 (Autobot G2)
- d2 (Autobot G2)
- m1 (Maximal BW)
- p1 (Predacon BW)
- mt (Mutant)
- m2 (Maximal BM)
- vh (Vehicon)
- bd (Dinobot BM)
- uc (Unicron)
- ac (Anti-Cybertron)
- mc (Mini-Con)
- p2 (Predacon Prime)
- sa (SG Autobot)
- sd (SG Decepticon)
- These seem like the most important ones. --M Sipher (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2016 (EST)
It should work when they're used. E.G.:
- Optimus Prime
- Megatron
- Grimlock
- Starscream
- Optimus Primal
- Megatron
- Soundwave
- Optimus Primal
- Tankor
- Magmatron
--abates (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2016 (EST)
- Okay, I'd left off the "<ul>"s. Noice. I THINK we might need some half-and-halfs for multipacks. But that shouldn't be too many, I think... G1, G2, BW, SG... Oh and I guess Auto/Prime-Pred and Decep/Prime-Pred. --M Sipher (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2016 (EST)
- I had a try at doing some split icons for the multipacks, but haven't had any luck. I did adjust the style to move the icons down a smidge so they line up better with the text, though it requires adding in a class to the ul tag thus: <ul class="iconlist"> --abates (talk) 05:03, 12 December 2016 (EST)
- Can you give it just a tiny nudge to the right? So they end up slightly indented under the column headers, which makes them easier to read. --M Sipher (talk) 05:50, 12 December 2016 (EST)
REALLY not liking this. Looks far too cluttered to me. --Khajidha (talk) 13:57, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Request for vehicon template Jcbynum1 16:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
- Added the Beast Machines ones. --abates (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Off the top of my head while going through the Beast Wars page, we'll need hybrid Maximal/Predacon insignias and then... what do we do for oddball one-off things like the Starscream/Waspinator 2-pack? Grum (talk) 16:32, 12 December 2016 (EST)
- Is Waspinator actually labeled as a Pred in that set, or a Decep? Honestly in either case I'd be okay with just using the Decepticon symbol. --M Sipher (talk) 16:36, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Will entries on the Cybertron toyline page need two bullets each for faction and associated planet? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 07:45, 13 December 2016 (EST)
Sorry, when I called it the "Unicron" symbol, I meant the Blentron Unicron-head symbol. --M Sipher (talk) 19:07, 13 December 2016 (EST)
Uploading some half-an-half icons. I'm not making the templates because I'm bluntly not feeling up to it. Just getting the visuals out of the way. --M Sipher (talk) 21:44, 13 December 2016 (EST)
Kre-O pages with toys
The merging of Kre-O characters who are unambiguously based on 1 existing archetype with said archetype fell to the wayside some time ago. Anyone want to join me in restarting it? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 00:54, 27 December 2016 (EST)
- I didn't merge them back then because Sipher nixed the idea. If there's no opposition now, I'll help with merging them. Saix (talk) 01:29, 27 December 2016 (EST)
- Wasn't around when Sipher nixed it, but I'll help too as many have been merged already. Jcbynum1 (talk) 07:08, 27 December 2016 (EST)
- If we go through with this, we should probably begin by compiling a list to avoid any confusion over who does and does not qualify. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 02:43, 28 December 2016 (EST)
- Wasn't around when Sipher nixed it, but I'll help too as many have been merged already. Jcbynum1 (talk) 07:08, 27 December 2016 (EST)
I'm not sure the combiners should be merged. All of them have a distinct lineup, and the Terrorcons are a mix of G1 and Prime influences. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 15:58, 28 December 2016 (EST)
- "Distinct lineup" is pretty weak now we have Combiner Wars combiners with varying members and the G1 Terrorcons have used their Prime designs. Saix (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2016 (EST)
I'm not sure if the Universe Soundwave Kreon should go on Machine Wars Soundwave's page, but what about putting the Music Label Soundwave Kreon on Shattered Glass Soundwave's page since the latter is precedent for independent white Soundwaves? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 00:34, 3 January 2017 (EST)
Final Facebook fiction
Notice to all: Fun Publications is doing one final round of Facebook story posts. Let's wait at least a little while for this storyline to finish up before we add anything to the wiki. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 16:47, 31 December 2016 (EST)
Derailment & Uprising pages
A number of small debates are popping up here and there about character pages for BWU. I thought we could agree here on some general rules for how to handle these pages, so the same conversation doesn't keep happening on several talk pages. There will be technicalities in certain cases, as always, but in general...
- Characters drawn from non-Primax continuity families will get a new page, with a (BW) disambig. Aurex Mini-Cons like Synapse (BW), Uniend Predacons like Budora (BW), etc.
- Exceptions will be for the Primax straddling Viron and Kre-O borrowed characters like Movor or Freefall (Kre-O). Battle Beasts turned Cybertronians for Uprising will also be on the same page.
- Some characters deliberately straddle two existing characters, like Deluge, Wideload, Stockade, Eagle Killer, etc. Individual consideration is necessary.
- If the "composite" character draws more heavily on one existing character than the other (like Wideload who's clearly the Throttlebot but only borrowing the body-type and faction of the Classics Mini-Con), text should go on the more prominent page.
- If the "composite" character is equally weighted, or little more than a cameo and a description, like Eagle Killer, it may be better to create a third Eagle Killer (BW) page acknowledging it as distinct from the two previous characters.
Anyone disagree with these guidelines, or have others they wish to add? --Xaaron (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2017 (EST)
- What about a character/toy already spanning multiple non-G1 continuity families? Back when Rav (DOTM) appeared (not in beast mode) in "Identity Politics", I created Rav (BW). But Catilla (DOTM) appears in "Derailment" (under "Katilla"). S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
- Which is one reason for this thread, so we can at least get some consistent treatment. Those (DOTM) Mini-Cons seem like an odd situation. Am I right in assuming they weren't split when AVP used them in an Aurex cluster because there just wasn't enough material to bother having two pages? If we want to say "These (DOTM) guys have extremely small roles in multiple continuity families, so hug it, we're just going to have one page for each", I'm not...opposed to that. Depends on if someone has strong feelings about preserving the rule of splitting characters by Continuity Family. --Xaaron (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2017 (EST)
- My bad on the Katilla front. I saw the Uprising header on his page and thought that meant it was were his fiction was meant to go. (Sorry.) Smasher (talk) 22:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
The Book of Logos and the Lio Convoy historical paper are pretty extensive. Shall we create story articles for them as we did for "A Brush With Infamy"? Perhaps as well with the Predacon Manifesto? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 22:28, 1 January 2017 (EST)
- I agree. Separate characters, separate events. Too extensive to try and lay out in the Notes section alone. --Xaaron (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2017 (EST)
Can anyone identify these characters? On page 33 of "Derailment" there is a "teal and grey Predacon" with a wrist-mounted autocannon. On page 55 there's a male "grey/purple" Micromaster. And more likely to be generics: on page 33 is an "enterprising Maximal ro-simian" and on page 118 is a "red and green" male Maximal who is converted into a Vehicon. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 23:30, 1 January 2017 (EST)
Where Devastator and his components are concerned, does the use of Universe 2003 toys really count as repurposing when the toy never had contemporary fiction? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 01:40, 9 January 2017 (EST)
Classics survivors on Axiom Nexus
How do we cite that final back page from OTFCC issue #72 in the Fiction sections? Where the Classics characters survived into Axiom Nexus? Just Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 72?
- "Epilogue" was the only thing we called it. (Thanks, Jesse) --Jimsorenson (talk) 11:24, 2 January 2017 (EST)
GoBots sister wiki: An Ultimatum
Inspired by some person whining about GoBots on TFWiki this morning on Tumblr, I am going to reiterate my standing offer as publicly as possible:
If you are a person who would contribute to a GoBots sister wiki, stand up and be counted. If there's interest, I will create said wiki on ShoutWiki, and set it up with the basic set of templates needed for people to jump in and start making articles for characters, episodes, etc. You'll be able to go about everything exactly as if you were doing it on TFWiki.
Thanks to my having already done the legwork for the IDW Hasbro Wiki, this will be very simple - just starting the wiki and then importing an XML of all the relevant templates and CSS. I have no particular interest in contributing to a GoBots wiki, but I'm 100% ready and willing to get it running for those who would.
DISCLAIMER: If you've read this and don't come forward with your interest, you void any right to bring up the topic of GoBots coverage on TFWiki ever again, lest you be hurled into the hugging sun.
--Jalaguy (talk) 16:42, 4 January 2017 (EST)
- Hell yeah. Escargon (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2017 (EST)
- I'd like this to exist, but I admittedly won't be of much use other than organizational stuff. Saix (talk) 16:51, 4 January 2017 (EST)
- Count me in! S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2017 (EST)
- Obviously. Though with the caveat that I won't be touching my own stuff, which is a lot of the modern-era bits. --Jimsorenson (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2017 (EST)
- Count me in! S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2017 (EST)
- I'd like this to exist, but I admittedly won't be of much use other than organizational stuff. Saix (talk) 16:51, 4 January 2017 (EST)
Okay, this is going to go ahead. Hoping to set it up at the weekend. Planning discussion is currently happening the Allspark thread. Jalaguy (talk) 07:20, 5 January 2017 (EST)
- Fun fact: it's been more active this week than the old TF wikia site.--Khajidha (talk) 13:40, 10 January 2017 (EST)
- That's what we call "winning." :D -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:15, 10 January 2017 (EST)
- Okay, I actually have a serious comment, too: would it be appropriate to maintain a permanent link to the GB Wiki on our main page? Or just use an external link template on all GoBots pages? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:18, 10 January 2017 (EST)
- That's what we call "winning." :D -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:15, 10 January 2017 (EST)
Serious question: is there a "Community Portal" type page for the GB wiki?--Khajidha (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2017 (EST)
"diff | hist" problem
Something happened to the feature that shows you what changed on a page in the history... the backing boxes are gone and the altered text is no longer in red. Which kinda compromises the usefulness of the feature. --M Sipher (talk) 19:44, 13 January 2017 (EST)
- Still working for me--Khajidha (talk) 19:51, 13 January 2017 (EST)
- Works for me, too. --ItsWalky (talk) 20:20, 13 January 2017 (EST)
Scope of TfWiki
I'm just curious about the scope of our wiki. I know that if things are official and Transformers related, they are covered here. So things like Gobots and GI Joe are only covered when they involve Transformers. But what about the human and alien characters from Transformers? If say Spike Witwicky were to appear in a random issue of GI Joe or in any Hasbro property where there isn't a single Transformer or perhaps he even gets his own spinoff show, as boring as that would be, (and let's just forget about revolution for a moment because I feel like that complicates things a bit), would it be covered here? How would this wiki cover things like that? Freakertron (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2017 (EST)
- It's hard to forget about Revolution when that's the only example we can point to. The general, simplified scope of the Wiki has always been "When Hasbro/Takara uses/authorizes use of Transformers (the property), we cover it." But that came the implicit understanding that Has/Tak was only using Transformers stuff IN Transformers franchises. The blended Hasbro universe was unfathomable at the time. Now, we're being forced to fathom it. Thus far, the only example is Revolution, which has prompted users of the Wiki to formulate an entire separate [Hasbro Wiki] to cover the expanded universe Transformers has stumbled backwards into at Hasbro's request. Further examples of TF or no-TF characters from TF franchises used in non-TF outlets by Hasbro would have to be considered as they happened, because the Wiki really has no plan for that at this time. --Xaaron (talk) 09:58, 22 January 2017 (EST)
Foreign Name Policy
Apparently there has been a discussion on AllSpark about Rāge/Rage and where to put her. So my question is, are we revisiting the wiki's stance on English name primacy? Because this is a very clear-cut case of a foreign character receiving an English language name. If so, are guys like Stepper/Ricochet and Gelshark/Sky-Byte, who were both brought up in that discussion, back on the table? I'm having trouble following the logic here. Like, to the point where I'm having a hard time understanding why it's even up for a vote. Are all policies subject to vote now upon specific implementation? Giggidy (talk) 09:44, 22 January 2017 (EST)
- Because even if you were correct about implementing the policy, you did it wrong. Under the English name first policy, "Rāge" would be moved to "Rage (BWN)", since that's her franchise of origin, not "Rage (BW)". You would have known that if you consulted with other contributors first. Instead, regardless of the results of the vote, now we have to go back and undo the multiple pages you altered to the erroneous link of "Rage (BW)". For Primus's sake, Giggidy...you don't understand the wiki's policies on when to move pages. You KNOW you don't understand the wiki's policies. You've been screamed at by the owner and administrators of the wiki for moving pages. And yet you refuse to learn the very simple behavior of asking first and waiting for a response. What part of this is still unclear? --Xaaron (talk) 10:39, 22 January 2017 (EST)
- I'll admit I was confused on the BW / BWN disambiguation, but that's an easy fix that can be accomplished in less than 10 minutes once Rage (BWN) gets deleted. But the Rāge thing is baffling. I know that our policy is English language names taking primacy. Add in that it's very difficult to type out macrons for most people and that there's a whole lot more fiction for her in English and in Japan, and that it's more accessible, and that it's shown up in both AVP and BWU, and I find the idea of it coming up for a vote incomprehensible. Which is why I'm asking, are we changing our policy on English language names taking priority. And, as for asking first, that's exactly what I did! I suggested a move, waited a MONTH, reiterated the suggestion, waited a week, and then attempted to execute. I thought no one else gave a damn. Giggidy (talk) 11:31, 22 January 2017 (EST)
