Talk:Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)

Split proposal

So, I just got Selects Lift-Ticket and was wondering about its pronouns (it/it/its, apparently). I noticed there was a split proposal for this article, but there wasn't even a talk page started, let alone a discussion of it. Please note, I didn't propose this split.

So, addressing the question of splitting this article, I would say no, at least for now. This article is still quite short, and splitting it between the Diaclone and (notionally) G1 sections would give us two even shorter articles, one consisting of the brief fiction section, the other of the brief toys section. At this point, there's no real need for this split.

Furthermore, the toys may be from G1-focused lines, but one was a Bot-Con exclusive where the fiction clearly had it coming from the Diaclone part of the multiverse, while the other is from Generations which has already featured bots from non-G1 continutities (Hot Shot, Armada Starscream, Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime, plus the Prime related toys announced for Legacy), so Lift-Ticket's inclusion there does not necessarily imply being a part of G1. Waverod ✈️ (talk) 15:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, I don't think we should be against short articles if they make sense, but given the complete lack of bio and fiction we're getting for the Legacy-associated Diaclone lines, combined with how it's being more multiversal than WFC's 'G1 all the time' approach, do we actively gain anything by splitting them? AkibaSilver (talk) 19:19, 1 March 2022 (EST)

I agree with Waverod and Akiba, for all the reasons given. Splitting this just gives us two worse articles instead of one better one. (Plus, like, it's not like Lift-Ticket came with any copy that said it WASN'T actually a person and not some mech-piloted thing.) ((unfortunately)) --ItsWalky (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2022 (EST)

Mainpic

I'm in favour of the Diaclone boxart as mainpic - with Burn Out and Lift-Ticket's backstories, their original Diaclone toys are implicitly their "original designs", and the art was conveniently even published in a Transformers art book. Plus from a real-world perspective, the original Diaclone toys are invariably going to be what future creators go back to when using Lift-Ticket for fiction or toys again, versus the BotCon toys that are kind of just representative of what the current Skids and Hoist Generations moulds happened to be at the time they were brought into the franchise, y'know? Jalaguy (talk) 05:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

I'm not because the Diaclone art is not Lift-Ticket (it's also not Transformers art, which is a rule that should only be broken with really, really, really good reason, like, say, with Cobra Commander's pic). Lift-Ticket has literally never had that combination of body and colors. That's the Diaclone 4WD Hi-Lux Wrecker Type. There is, in fact, a difference. "Lift-Ticket" came into existence through Transformers as the BotCon toy, and his mainpic should reflect that. And the "future creators" thing is back to the whole issue of trying to "solve" Transformers and second/third-guess every way anyone could conceivably misinterpret everything and fail to look at more than one picture per page that made the whole "citogenesis" thing such a bloated pain. (Relevant message from the Discord: https://discordapp.com/channels/656241088826441729/656248887534944265/1005647033165692979) --M Sipher (talk) 07:23, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

For once I agree whole heartedly with Sipher. Escargon (talk) 07:52, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

I'd say my bigger priority here is that the profile card art looks like ass and being in Legacy makes them eligible for being Transformers art. Jala's point isn't about creators referring to the main pics in a fit of "misinterpretation" or whatever, but the simple fact that they're going to refer to the Diaclone designs in all further uses of the characters, not the T30 toys. Which we're already seeing with Masterpiece Burn Out. Saix (talk) 07:56, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

I don't think the bad art is a good enough excuse to go with art that isn't of their first explicitly-Transformers forms. --M Sipher (talk) 08:05, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

I am also in favour of the Diaclone art. Even without it conventiently being included in a Transformers publication, well... these are Diaclone toys being included in the Transformers line and it seems more in spirit of what the first-appearance rule entails to use the Diaclone art, rather than the technical reading. Masterpiece Spin-Out and Blue Bluestreak both exist from an alternate Diaclone universe, Legacy toys are being marketed as Diaclone universe. The new Burn Out has a head based on the Diaclone art. They are so close to Transformers they sometimes made it into original Transformers art before production alterations, appearing in murals on the back of the box (if the argument for Diaclone art fails I say we use those instead, those predate FunPub by a few decades) User:Bumblebee2000 (talk) 11:05, 29 August 2022 (EDT)