Template talk:Thirteen

Implied Members

Should we add implied members of the Thirteen to the template or not? I say we keep them off, because they are not confirmed--their just speculation, basically. --PrimeFormer 02:35, 26 January 2014 (EST)

If Maccadam gets put on the Thirteen template, I'm murdering everybody. --ItsWalky (talk) 03:38, 26 January 2014 (EST)

Order of the Thirteen

I don't think this is a controversial suggestion but perhaps it'd be a good idea to order the names in the template so that the main multiverse's Primes and IDW/Aligned Primes line up. I think it'd look better if they weren't treated like totally unrelated pantheons when they share 70% of their rosters. And that's not even counting Alpha Trion who may or may not be an analog to Solomus (in some universes). I say Keep all the Primes held in common (Prima, Liege, Vector, etc) at the front of the template and then differentiate them towards the end (Logos Prime, Autonomous Maximus, etc vs Amalgamous Prime, Quintus Prime, etc). This will make it that much clearer how the Thirteen's membership varies by continuity. Iustitia (talk) 20:16, 3 February 2018 (EST)

	The Thirteen
Mainstream multiverse Prima Liege Maximo Megatronus (The Fallen) Vector Prime Nexus Prime Onyx Prime Solus Prime Alchemist Prime Micronus Prime Solomus Epistemus Logos Prime Autonomous Maximus (The Last Autobot) Aligned/IDW G1 Prima Liege Maximo Megatronus (The Fallen) Vector Prime Nexus Prime Onyx Prime Solus Prime Alchemist Prime Micronus Prime Alpha Trion (Aligned / IDW G1) Quintus Prime Amalgamous Prime Optimus Prime / The Arisen Olympians Prima Liege Maximo Megatronus (The Fallen) Vector Prime Nexus Prime Onyx Prime Solus Prime Alchemist Prime Mortilus Alpha Trion (Aligned / IDW G1) Epistemus Adaptus Autonomous Maximus (The Last Autobot)

This is what I'm getting at. The third one isn't required but it'd be cool to include the roster of the Greek gods in Ask Vector Prime. I mean there's already a reference to it on the Thirteen page and I figure it's more unique than listing IDW and Aligned separately on that page when they have the exact same roster.Iustitia (talk) 22:09, 3 February 2018 (EST)

FWIW, the current arrangements of the two rosters have the main multiverse Thirteen placed in the order in which they first appeared in fiction or were first revealed as members of the Thirteen, while the Aligned/IDW Thirteen are placed in the order in which they each were first created by Primus in the Covenant book (e.g. - Prima was first-born, Vector Prime was second-born, Alpha Trion was third-born, etc.). --Sabrblade (talk) 01:08, 4 February 2018 (EST)

Yup I did catch on to that, though the order in the template and the order on the Thirteen page don't align anyway. But anywho I think this format would be better to compare and contrast the various rosters of the Thirteen. And of course we can add more over time as different versions show up post-Shrouding.Iustitia (talk) 23:35, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Order, take two

Why not just put these in alphabetical order? It would make it much easier for people who don't know all the details (real world creation, in universe "birth order") backwards and forwards. This seems like geekery for the sake of geekery and leads to obfuscation. --Khajidha (talk) 10:02, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

PS - one caveat. I would put "the Thirteenth Prime" last in his group. --Khajidha (talk) 10:03, 29 April 2019 (EDT)