Talk:Starscream (G1)
MP Starscream
No slight upon you, Walky, but you are wrong, and the photo you have is a bad photo. The F-15E (the model Starscream is based upon, I accidently typed D in error) has only ever had one colour throughout its existence, "Gunship Grey". Its color code (issued by the government in the current FS595B) is FS 36118, and is used only many planes. It is famous for being currently used on the B-52 Stratofortress and the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber. Have you seen any green bombers or stealth bombers in the last decade?
The F-15E is not green like MP SS at all. Somebody at TakaraTomy looked at the bad or doctored photos you looked at and concluded those are the accurate colours, or they wanted to do something different.
Additional Trivia: I recall somebody finding pics of early F-15s that Classics Starscream's colour scheme was based upon. Amusingly, those photos have been doctored. The early F-15s were painted sky blue, because they were to fly around the blue skies of California. Additionally, the prototypes were also sky blue with bright orange in the same patterns as Classics Starscream's reds. For some reason the US Air Force doctored these photos to make the F-15s look more like later models, and so Don Figueroa or somebody at Hasbro based SS's deco on these doctored photos (thankfully).
Oh, your revert also wiped out whatever else I said not relating to the MP. --FFN 22:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'd like to note that MP Starscream photographs way more green than he is in person. --68.75.18.107 22:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, but still the wrong colours, and I think it bears noting. If anybody is wondering, there is no real reason why MP Skywarp is mostly black with little purple on his hull in fighter mode, either, since last I checked, they never painted F-15s black. They did with F-14s and F-16s, as I recall. --FFN 22:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Second in Command
Is Starscream really the second in command though? I mean, he certainly takes over whenever Megs is incapacitated, but I don't believe that Megatron ever gave him control over a friggin' Planet.
So what I'm suggesting here is that Shockwave is the actual second-in-command, not Starscream. Unless it is actually written somewhere that Starscream IS the second in command. In which case my comment is cheerfully withdrawn.--Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 23:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Point. Maybe I should have said "Second in Command of the Forces on Earth". Also, when Megatron fell in the movie, it was He, and not Shockwave, who took command. But you're right, I'm not sure if it is ever actually stated, or in fact correct.
- Writer's decision maybe,since Shockwave later got crushed under a falling ceiling. Decepticon Rhinox 22:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, Everyone assumes that Ol' Mr. Screamy is the second in command, but I'm pretty sure that that is only based on the fact that he gets the most screen time (as he should, because he's the best Decepticon).
Also, didn't he get the title of Leadership because he beat the ever loving crap out of all the other Decepticons?--Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 00:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, we never see Starscream enter that battle, its just we see them arguing over it, and then when we're back on Cybertron, Starscream is the victor, thou we never even saw him make his stake in the previous scene. Sounds more like he waited for everyone else to beat the ever loving poop out of each other, then beat the remaining love out of an already injured candidate... G1 Cartoon Starscream never did anything that didn't make him look like an fool. And his voice never helped. However, Energon and Galaxy Force Starscreams. Particually Galaxy Force. You can see he's planning it all out carefully, trying to wait until Master Megatron slips just enough for him to take over. And He could do so too. Never seen what Starscream was like in the comics though. How was he there?
Considerably whinier then he was in the G1 cartoon. Though he DID attain near-Godhood for a brief time (thanks to the vast powers of the Underbase), during which time he pretty well destroyed both sides of the war. Then he got greedy, took more power and it blew him up. Inexplicably, despite being pivotal in the near extinction of his own race, Megatron decided to revive Starscream with Pretender technology.
Meg's never was very bright. --Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 00:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Not quite as dim as G1-Season 3 Galvatron. "Look! A Ghost!" <Bang Bang> "Look! A School Girl!" <Bang Bang> "Look! My Foot!" <Bang Bang, followed by screaming>
I hate it when I forget to check the minor edit box. --Andrusi 19:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I though you had rewritten the Titanium section, which I wouldn't haved minded as my description of his transforming WW toy is abit crap. Have I forgotten any G1 Starscream toys there? I think there was a Legends release of the Pretender inner robot, but bah, I don't have enough to say about. --FFN 19:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- The Pretender Starscream section already mentions the Legends release; I expanded it to match Bumblebee's entry. --Andrusi 19:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- The Legends release should be given its own headers, as it was a separate release in America. In theory, you should be able to scroll down through the toy list and see every toy release in bold. (Well, minus foreign releases, since we tend to treat those as variants.) --ItsWalky 20:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I added a Legends entry, but I don't think its worth the bother adding a new picture for it, since its the same as the Pretender inner bot. --FFN 21:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- The Legends release should be given its own headers, as it was a separate release in America. In theory, you should be able to scroll down through the toy list and see every toy release in bold. (Well, minus foreign releases, since we tend to treat those as variants.) --ItsWalky 20:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- The Pretender Starscream section already mentions the Legends release; I expanded it to match Bumblebee's entry. --Andrusi 19:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Tech spec numbers
Maddening! Pretender Starscream's TS numbers are clearly based on the correct ones, ie those given to Skywarp on the 1984 packaging. But AM Starscream, G2 Starscream and MW Starscream all use the ones on Starscream's 1984 packaging, ie the ones that actually belong to Thundercracker. Whyyyyy. -LV 01:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- *slap!* Don't you ever expect sense from tech specs again. --Andrusi 01:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Spark
I feel like Starscream's capsule bio shouldn't mention the indestructible spark, since there is no indication as to whether that is true in any specific continuity besides Beast Wars. It is maybe true in the G1 toon, but, also maybe he was actually just a ghost there, whatever that means. --Steve-o 15:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see why it's "maybe" true in the G1 toon. I mean, Beast Wars got the idea FROM the Starscream's ghost thing -- hell, it's a SEQUEL -- it's just that "indestructable spark" is the crazy science language for it. That's one of the most straightforward retcons in Transformers. It's definitely true in the G1 cartoon, it's definitely true in Beast Wars, and it's true in Dreamwave continuity, too, since everything was written to work with and lead up to Beast Wars. And it won't be PROVEN untrue anywhere else until a Starscream dies for good. --ItsWalky 16:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- How well does it mesh with Marvel? --Andrusi 18:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
--ItsWalky 19:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- In fairness, it is pointed out that residual Underbase energy is responsible for animating him there. - Chris McFeely 19:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- In crazy inadmissable speculation land, I would credit the residual Underbase energy for giving him a mutant indestructable spark in the first place. --ItsWalky 01:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- In fairness, it is pointed out that residual Underbase energy is responsible for animating him there. - Chris McFeely 19:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Heck, everyone was pretty invincible there. Blow 'em and up and you just had to put their bodies to bring them back to life. - Chris McFeely 18:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- How well does it mesh with Marvel? --Andrusi 18:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Generation 2
There's mention of Jhiaxus controlling the Warworld, and while it's been awhile since I've read G2, wasn't the warworld in Megatron's possession at the time? I don't seem to recall Jhiaxus ever controlling it.--UndeadScottsman 02:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Starscream dumped Megatron and his Decepticons and wooed himself over to Jhiaxus' team by providing information that would get him the Warworld. Cybertronian Empire troops stormed the War World, kicked the Combaticons' asses, and then took it over. Starscream then doublecrossed Jhiaxus' troops and injested the Matrix. --ItsWalky 03:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
so does starscream make a better leader then Megatron
Captions
Is this vandalism? Ajrand (Signalbook)(Logbook) 05:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- On Teletraan I, we have a more laid back attitude to picture captions. We allow jokes, so long as they're relevant and in good taste. -- SFH 05:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Ah. I haven't spent much time on this wiki; I'm more used to Wookiepedia. Much less laid back, eh? Well, thanks Ajrand (Signalbook)(Logbook) 05:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
An Homage in Hearts of Steel
I was curious about Starscream's "head fins" on his Hearts redesign. So I asked Guido, via Deviantart, if they were a homage to similar fins on Waspinator's robot head. The response came.
- "These fins are more an homage to Leozak from TF Victory", he said.
So, worthy of a trivia note? And if so, what page will get it? Starscream? Hearts of Steel? Leozak? --Terrocon Blot 02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's interesting.
Seems Starscream's "betrayal" in Megatron: Origin was anything but.[1] Between this and the little cabal turning to Starscream in Devastation I'm starting to like IDW Starscream. He keeps a lot of his G1 traits, but he's more of a serious contender than in other continuities.--Rosicrucian 18:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Ulchtar
Hey, wasn't this actually Denny O'Neil's name for the character? Chip 16:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Revoltech Development
I'm not sure how best to insert this info into the Toy/Merchandise section, so I'm putting it here for now, both in Hot Rod and Starscream's discussion pages.
Revoltech Yamaguchi versions of Hot Rod and Starscream are being developed for release on March 15. Since they're still in the production process, the final figures may differ from the photos shown here. No other details are currently available.--Apcog 08:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Split?
This page is getting kind of big... perhaps splitting the toy section from the article much like what was done to Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee and Hot Rod would be something to do? --Detour 02:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. I've been thinking about that for a while now, and Screamer's toy section appears large enough to merit one. -- SFH 02:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- And make another section for Starscream's toys? Or SEEKER toys? Because the latter would be hilariously large and never ending! >XD -- akindofdrifter
Trivia section
FYI, the direct link to the Robot Masters Starscream image at TFU pops up a "TFU: Protected" filler image unless you cut and paste the URL instead.--Apcog 16:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Cartoon screencaps
Hey, who uploaded all of those G1 Starscream screencaps? You didn't name them in the correct format. You're supposed to use the title of the story/episode they are from somewhere in the name so, on the off chance the description is lost (such as when it was lost in the database crash) or when the description is wrong or inadequate, we have some idea of which episode or story its from if it isn't obvious from the image. --FFN 08:07, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
- Yeeah, that was me. Sorry about that.
- (and I'd do it again, too! Bwahahaha!)</small!> - Chris McFeely 08:28, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
Kiss Players image
This is an honest question. Since we link "Dirk Dinobot" for being NSFW, why don't we do the same for the image where Screamer possesses Atari? Antimatter 20:39, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
- Because there's no exposed genitalia. --Detour 20:54, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
- Fair enough. Just curious. Antimatter 21:11, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
