Talk:GoBots

Hoooooo doggies, does this need work. I'd argue with both the contention that the GB cartoon was "more kiddy", AND the contention that the toys were "simpler". If anything, Tonka GoBots put similar-sized Transformers to fucking SHAME in the transformation complexity department. --M Sipher 20:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Too much non-TF information! --ItsWalky 02:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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X-Bob, learn to spell and write or don't edit at all. --ItsWalky 03:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the information in X-Bob's edit is more fiction-based than metafictional-based, which is largely what that section is about. It would probably belong on the G1 GoBots page, if anywhere. --Monzo 03:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't really see why so much of this article was removed. I think the sections that were here called Pre-GoBots, International, and Cartoon were all appropriate and belong in the article. The fiction ties between TF and GoBots are minimal, but from a real-world historical perspective, I think that the history and nature of the GoBots brand is quite relevant to Transformers history. TFU.info and M Sipher's TF variations list both have extensive GoBots coverage, and I don't recall anybody saying those were inappropriate for TF resources to include. I am not suggesting that turn this into a "Transformers and GoBots" wiki or anything. I just think that, well, the name "Machine Men" and the fact that GoBots had a cartoon series should really be in this article. --Steve-o 21:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I'm fine with this article being fairly extensive, so long as we don't start seeing lots of purely GoBots-related articles showing up on the rest of the Wiki. (No GoBots character lists, or episode pages for the GoBots cartoon, for example).--G.B. Blackrock 21:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Depth...

I was just wondering would any more work be wanted on this thing? I'm tempted to add in a bit, but would probably let my Gobot love take over - for example, is the UK comic strip worth a mention? Or the Robo Machines European reissue line?

Also, should I add a fairly NPOV piece on the reasons why TF won in the end (i.e. much better marketing)?

Incidentally, it's nice to find there are quite a few TF fans who, like me, aren't either/or on the Gobot thing... "My transforming robot line is AWESOME, the others are all ghey" has always seemed a bit schoolyard to me :)

Cliffjumper 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Power Suits

Anyone else remember the Power Suits and the Power Suit carrier? Man, those were good times... --76.18.66.115 08:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Beast Machines

Quick question, but does anybody recall which episode of Beast Machines had Nightscream effortlessly destroying a unit of tank drones and then referring to them as "Tonka toys" with contempt in his voice? I don't want to rewatch the series just to look for that reference. --DrSpengler 18:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Cyborgs....

This was actually posted over at Crasher's talk page but since it applies to all GoBot-related articles, I'm reposting it here. After someone contested the fact that GoBots were actually cyborgs and not robots, it got my curiosity going, so I brought this up to a friend of mine who's a bit of a GB aficionado. He put together a list of scenes and facts supporting the fact that GoBots are every bit as 100% robotic as Transformers are. Submitted for everyone:

1. ZOD book, page 1

For an origin story, the lack of time reference is curious. Why would they call themselves GoBots before moving in that direction? Actually, accoring to The GoBotron Saga Part 3. the original inhabitants of GoBotron were called GoBings.

Zeemon: "He turned out to be WHO?"

Leader1: "The Master Renegade, the leader of the ancient rebellion which DESTROYED the GoBings."

2. Last Engineer's story, ancient newscast

Last Engineer: "Because of the catastrophe, our race is nearing extinction. I am among the last and must do something."

Scooter: "The Last Enigeer saved us by inventing the GoBot form."

I don't see anything that disproves non-cyborg alternatives.

3. Last Engineer's story, upon revival

AJ Foster: "How, I mean, why are you part human, part...?"

Last Engineer: "Part robot? Heh heh heh. Survival, my dear. As parts wore out, I replaced them."

OK, so the Last Engineer is a technically cyborg. This is world's different from ALL GoBots being cyborgs. It's implicit that the Last Engineer did this to himself over time, whereas the inhabitants of GoBotron had a much more immediate need.

4. Leader1's disassembly

How does a human brain survive being diconnected from a cyborg body and being shot that close to the sun?

See also: Turbo's-brain-somehow-didn't-freeze-on-the-dark-side-of-the-moon.

See also: "Humans cannot live on a waterless planet, but we Renegades can!" from Wendy's "The Sea Vaporizer"

5. Clutch of Doom

Dr. Aureolis: "Heh heh heh. The Rhomatic Condensor doesn't work on GoBots. It's programmed for organic beings only."

6. Battle For GoBotron (pilot)

None of the GoBots are affected by the mind control signal that ensnares every human on Earth.

7. Sentinel

Sentinel (referring to Crasher): "A vehicle that lacks an organic control mechanism."

CyKill: "You see, we are pure machines, like yourself, machines that battle against organic life forms and their misguided GoBot allies."

8. GoBots 1-72 All Super GoBots

Mighty Robots Mighty Vehicles, Friendly/Guardian ROBOT ?, Enemy/Renegade ROBOT ?

9. Tonka's original backstory from GoBot 01

"GoBots come from a different time and age. They are mighty robots that change into mighty vehicles. Some are friendly while others are enemy."

10. Nazca Lines, referenced in In Search of Ancient GoBonauts which is not online

The episode is about an ancient GoBot called the Evil One, who was banished from GoBotron for nearly destroying it with an anti-matter weapon called the Dark Heart during a power struggle that ensued after the Last Engineer and Master Renegade disappeared. The story goes that he crashed in Peru and the Nazca lines were a clue left behind. The article says they date to between 200 BC and 700 AD, placing the GoBotron catastrophe at least 1300 years in the past. If page 1 of the ZOD book is to believed, scientists of GoBotron have been studying Earth for at least 13 centuries...all the way back to the dark ages at best and before Jesus and maybe even Rome at worst? --Detour

I'm guessing by the lack of contestation to this that I can just go ahead and remove all of these "cyborg" references? --Detour 18:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

No. --M Sipher 20:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, looking at that list, what I see is this: they established an origin, both in other media and in the show, that had them as organic beings who later upgraded their bodies. That's... well, that's a FACT, isn't it? They specifically laid out this origin. When their origin is actually, directly addressed, (retelling it, discussing it with the Rock Lords), this is how it is consistently portrayed. It's only when they're not directly talking about the origin, the writers mistakenly claimed they were wholly robotic. - Chris McFeely 21:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Bingo. I was going to say the same thing.--ZacWilliam 22:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

No, it looks like you're just picking and choosing only what appears to support your original opinion. Because here're some facts about Saga and Rocklords: Neither says "cyborg" or "brain," expressly relates to modern GoBots, or rules out alternatives like consciousness transfers (see also Star Trek TNG's "The Schizoid Man"). They're circumstantial evidence at best. The singular data point across the other 60 episodes that's even remotely obvious, you didn't even mention as a counterargument. Why, because it doesn't make sense from physiological standpoint or because it's just as likely a plot convenience devised by writers you've already dismissed as lazy or mistaken? I wonder how well a quote from Hanna Barbera's series bible might've fared against the esteemed interns at Golden Books.

The other issue here is that I proposed little more than changing "are" to "may be" because nobody acknowleged different conclusions or what iteration of Crasher they were talking about and was just brushed off.--68.82.87.66 00:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

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